Healing - Christians and ill health

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PeterJens

PeterJens

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Some have claimed they have the authority to rebuke illness.

Now my experience of life, of christians, is we all get ill, no matter what you say or believe, it does not go away.
Occasionally the Lord in His grace does heal, but mainly we are called to show love and faith through hardship like Job, and trust the Lord.

I listened to a sermon from a preacher who said this was untheological and accepting defeat of a curse against our authority.

I suggest this is stupid, unbiblical, and not our experience of life, and to condemn all those faithful followers of the Lord is wrong.

There appears to be a desire to slander those who do not believe or know of such imaginary health benefits as non-believers or pharisees it causes much hurt in my heart.

There is a great difference between having great blessing and gifts from the Lord with a grateful heart, and condemning others who equally follow the Lord, as if their life and spiritual reality is somehow less or not real. This is the road to heresy and hypocracy, seeing things not about life and relationships as more important than righteousness and love.

So I wonder who agrees with me, and how would you answer such people who want to exalt in such experiences and suggest those who do not walk like them are in sin, or even such experiences are mainly fake.
 
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atwhatcost

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Wanted: Anyone who says they can heal disabilities. (Hubby and I wouldn't mind having our disabilities disappear.)
 
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psalm6819

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Why would one limit God???? He can heal, thru doctors, thru medicines, thru prayer.....
 
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CeileDe

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Now I see mockery on what God can do with healing.
 
Lifetrack

Lifetrack

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I believe God still heals people not as proof like He did true Jezus (that He was the Messiah) when He was on earth as human, but when it fits in His plan He will.
What He always does is heal our minds.
 
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atwhatcost

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psalm6819 said:
Why would one limit God???? He can heal, thru doctors, thru medicines, thru prayer.....
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And thru death if none of the others work. Alleluia! Some day, some how, (God), God will heal us all permanently! Body and spirit!!!
 
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atwhatcost

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Can I put my name down too?
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To heal us or to join in if we ever find someone with that gift?

Sure! Either way. If you're looking for some healing of the spiritual kind, God is guaranteed to do that if you but seek and ask.
 
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atwhatcost

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CeileDe said:
Now I see mockery on what God can do with healing.
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If you think I'm mocking. I'm not. I've asked God to take this away. 16 years and the answer is still no. 13 years for hubby. I really wouldn't turn down someone who does have the gift of healing. I know God can heal. But they wouldn't be called "miracles" if they've always been in the dynamics of how the world automatically runs. (aka "the laws of physics.")

The only reason I added my want ad, is because anyone who ever disagrees with someone on these boards will quickly find the person they disagree with to fight tooth and nail to get their point across. If their point is, "I can heal, so you're wrong," cool! I want in on that action. I want hubby and me to be the test case!

I've not met the person who can heal me. If that person comes, wow! My mind just worked at the speed of light to realize I could do so much I simply cannot do now. I just saw a clean house, a nice garden, a new job that pays enough to afford some of the things we simply gave up ever getting.
 
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purgedconscience

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For those here in ill health, I'd strongly recommend the video series which is really just an audio reading of F.F. Bosworth's book Christ the Healer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyheruUM-2A&list=PL4ATecYQBfHwoBDWC8m8p_3UdMsDtkByu

Although I may not agree with every single jot and tittle of the audio book, there's a lot of sound Biblical teaching in this audio book which addresses healing and the atonement. I'd strongly encourage you to give it a listen.
 
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CeileDe

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atwhatcost said:
If you think I'm mocking. I'm not. I've asked God to take this away. 16 years and the answer is still know. 13 years for hubby. I really wouldn't turn down someone who does have the gift of healing. I know God can heal. But they wouldn't be called "miracles" if they've always been in the dynamics of how the world automatically runs. (aka "the laws of physics.")

The only reason I added my want ad, is because anyone who ever disagrees with someone on these boards will quickly find the person they disagree with to fight tooth and nail to get their point across. If their point is, "I can heal, so you're wrong," cool! I want in on that action. I want hubby and me to be the test case!

I've not met the person who can heal me. If that person comes, wow! My mind just worked at the speed of light to realize I could do so much I simply cannot do now. I just saw a clean house, a nice garden, a new job that pays enough to afford some of the things we simply gave up ever getting.
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Just from your statement you lack faith and you have unbelief. Jesus is very clear throughout His ministry that we need faith and belief.
 
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atwhatcost

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CeileDe said:
Just from your statement you lack faith and you have unbelief. Jesus is very clear throughout His ministry that we need faith and belief.
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Yeah, just another God-can't-do-it-unless-you-will-it-for-him person. Been there. Did that. Didn't work. Lazarus had absolutely no faith that Jesus could raise him from the dead, since he was dead. (Can't have faith in anything if you're brain is completely, utterly dead.) And yet, Jesus still healed him. God can and does, even when we don't have any faith, so I reject what you said.

I also ask you not to keep repeating it. I've got no problems with name-it-and-claim-it people. But the bruises on my reed have already been healed. And my smoldering wick has been relit. Your words do harm to still-bruised reeds and still-smoldering wicks, so don't go there with self-righteousness. You judge too soon and have already proved you don't have the correct answers.

15 years ago, your words could have caused my suicide. I was hanging on by a thread, yet God pulled me up. Be careful with your righteousness. You never know who you're condemning with it, and we're still held up for accountability on Judgment Day. (Won't we be ashamed enough without heaping on to that pile?)
 
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CeileDe

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atwhatcost said:
Yeah, just another God-can't-do-it-unless-you-will-it-for-him person. Been there. Did that. Didn't work. Lazarus had absolutely no faith that Jesus could raise him from the dead, since he was dead. (Can't have faith in anything if you're brain is completely, utterly dead.) And yet, Jesus still healed him. God can and does, even when we don't have any faith, so I reject what you said.

I also ask you not to keep repeating it. I've got no problems with name-it-and-claim-it people. But the bruises on my reed have already been healed. And my smoldering wick has been relit. Your words do harm to still-bruised reeds and still-smoldering wicks, so don't go there with self-righteousness. You judge too soon and have already proved you don't have the correct answers.

15 years ago, your words could have caused my suicide. I was hanging on by a thread, yet God pulled me up. Be careful with your righteousness. You never know who you're condemning with it, and we're still held up for accountability on Judgment Day. (Won't we be ashamed enough without heaping on to that pile?)
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Well you consider me a name it claim it person and far from the truth. I don't believe I say something and like magic I have money in my wallet. I do believe and have seen it in my own life if we just praise God and thank Him for doing what He already promises us He will do then we will see blessings in our lives.

Not my fault you feel the way you do about God. You can throw out hate comments like me being self righteous all you want. Doesn't change the fact that you are in self pity because God hasn't crucified His Son more than once for you. That is exactly what you are asking Him to do.

Jesus has already done everything He is going to do.
 
PeterJens

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CeileDe said:
Just from your statement you lack faith and you have unbelief. Jesus is very clear throughout His ministry that we need faith and belief.
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Wake up. Honest sincere christians all over the world believe God can heal, have prayed for healing, had faith and it has not happened. People have come to our church saying a healing revival will happen, people will go out like super-humans and heal on the streets etc. But no, it has not happened.

One member of our church believes like you do, ask and it will be given. She expected to pray for my wifes foot, which has worn out through standing up too much. Did not happen. Her husband has cancer, and we pray for him, in Gods will to heal, do not know if the Lord will.

A sincere minister leading an international group of missionaries got liver cancer. The whole church prayed for healing. It spread to his brain, and he died within 2 weeks. Now either we are all unbelievers our faith is lost, or the Lord does not work like that, we need to find His will in the situation. Now I have seen people die from cancer in this way, time and time again, believing God will heal, and he does not. So please explain this experiential reality or let people mourn the end of their lives and come to terms with the reality we all die, and the day is appointed for us to bow the knee to the Lords blessing that he has given much in the life we have, and all glory to Him for His blessing.

Who are we to say how are bodies should fail or why, life is a gift, we all know one day it will end. The question I ask how much do you love the Lord, and is this conditional on the style of health and end?
 
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OP. Old hairy legs must be loving you. Letting them get you down like that.

Smile and rejoice because, even the foolishness of those that preach still pleases God.

Even when we get it terribly wrong, it still pleases God when we're doing it for him.

You want me to back that up with some scripture or do you already know it? :)
 
PennEd

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The Lord may indeed choose to heal people of all sorts of physical, Spiritual, and mental maladies. But let's be clear, EVERYONE, including those Jesus Himself healed, eventually, physically died.
We must be faithful to trust in His plan for our life and praise Him for all outcomes.
 
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psalm6819

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I'm not a brilliant Bible scholar.... all I know is the doctors said my husband's prognosis for survival was "very poor" and if he did live certainly never walk.

We asked the Lord for help and healing and now Tom not only walks but mows the lawn.
 
InSpiritInTruth

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Cleanse first the inside of the vessel, and then the outside of the vessel will also become clean. :)
 
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