New Testament Old Testament Prophecy Conundrum

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JUSTNE1

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#61
The problem does not lie with God here but with your attempt to hold God accountable to a humanly derived standard of ethics and fairness. If there is one thing that scripture teaches us it is the fact that God is VERY selective but never unfair. His choosing of one above another is seen many times in scripture. "Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use?" Rom 9:21. You are also assuming that the healing itself is somehow of significance, It is not. He is also at times vengeful but this does not make him cruel.
Blessings and Peace
 

oldhermit

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#62
So 400 years after the resurrection (minimum), post emporer Constantine...interesting.
You are not going to find many completer manuscripts prior to the fourth century. You can also see from outside sources that this passage was quoted at least in part or at referenced by others as early as the second century.
 

oldhermit

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#63
Really??

No discrepancies in the resurrection narratives eh... This I can dissect but there are so many it may take a few minutes.
I predict you already know this anyway but if you insist I will go over it again..
Let's see what you have.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#64
It is impossible to composite these narratives. I've tried. Scholars agree that they are unable to produce any timeline which could incorporate all narrative's.

You seem like a nice man and I Bless you, but I think maybe we should agree to disagree.

what timeline?

And what scholars.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#66
That is hardly relevant since truth is determined by the text itself and not by what is preceived by body of scholarship.
I know. I am just trying to see where he is coming from is all.

Hard to discuss something when you do not know where the person is coming from.
 
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JUSTNE1

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#67
I know. I am just trying to see where he is coming from is all.

Hard to discuss something when you do not know where the person is coming from. [/QUOTE

I thank everybody for the time to reply to me. As for my part I am sorry for using my take on scripture as a bias for any debate. That was wrong.

Peace and Blessings to all
 

SolidGround

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#68
If you doubt the authority of any Scripture, you need to read that Scripture more, and with a cleared mind.
So often, we read the Word with our minds rather than our hearts, and end up trying to grasp understanding from it, rather than just take it in.

The authority of Revelation is plain to me, spiritually, because of it's work upon my heart;
and the same for the rest of Scripture. My mind may have doubts, but my spirit has none on the matter.

If you seek Truth, read and meditate upon the Word.
Stop trying to figure it out through external investigation.
Investigate with your spirit, through experiencing the Word.
 

posthuman

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My point is that people from times past have attributed characteristics of The Most High which are Blasphemy. These have been put into scripture and taught as God Breathed.
if you're making that point based on your supposition that God is displaying favoritism if He chooses to heal some and not others, or to show mercy to some and not others, wholly on the basis of John 5:4, and so wishing to reject this verse, i wonder what you make of God choosing Abraham, or choosing Isaac above Ishmael, reserving Israel as His chosen people, or choosing Paul, or the twelve, or even choosing to show mercy to us while we were ungodly and offering us an undeserved salvation? was it 'wrong' of Him to choose Jerusalem and one particular threshing floor for a temple to His name, instead of blanketing the entire surface of the earth with tabernacles?
there were many people at the pool, and Christ healed one of them. does this make Him unjust? did a single one of them deserve it?

more to the point, do you believe God is sovereign and shows mercy to whom He will show mercy, as He told Moses, since you say you accept the OT?
or do you think His will should be subject to human judgement and should be rejected if it fails your logic?

i mean, i did not deserve mercy. He chose to show it to me. should i reject that?
 

prove-all

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Daniel 8, 2nd beast kingdom given to the 3rd kingdom.

1In the third year of the reign of king Belshazzar a vision appeared unto me, even unto me Daniel,
2And I saw in a vision; and it came to pass, when I saw, that I was at Shushan in the palace,
which is in the province of Elam; and I saw in a vision, and I was by the river of Ulai.

-Verse 1 dates when the prophecy was written.
(Daniel recorded) the vision in the (third year) of the reign of (Belshazzar)—550 b.c.
He was at (Shushan), at the palace in (the province of Elam) (verse 2).