The Rapture

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Josefnospam

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There is no rapture. There is an appointed time to die and an appointed time for the Lord to return in judgement and get his people. I suppose you could call that a "rapture" if you want but either way when God's elect leave this world they get to see the Lord as he is and worship him forever. For now while we are here let us praise the Lord for his goodness and wonderful works to the children of men and warn others to trust only in Christ's finished work, never anything they do.

I am so thankful I am not under the curse of the Law. May God bless you as only he can do.............
 
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Wipe a little of the blood off your sword, and people might read your next post. LOL
 
AceMichaels

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I believe the "rapture" will take place at the end of time after the Tribulation at the last trump just like Gods Word says.
 
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jb

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Josefnospam said:
When saved: before the world began
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Yet your profile says you are 67 years old, does that mean that the world is only 67 years old, or maybe you're really over 6000 years old (if you're a young creationalist) or 14 billion if you're an old earth believer!

Pray tell me sir, which are you? :confused:
 
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popeye

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Josefnospam said:
There is no rapture. There is an appointed time to die and an appointed time for the Lord to return in judgement and get his people. I suppose you could call that a "rapture" if you want but either way when God's elect leave this world they get to see the Lord as he is and worship him forever. For now while we are here let us praise the Lord for his goodness and wonderful works to the children of men and warn others to trust only in Christ's finished work, never anything they do.

I am so thankful I am not under the curse of the Law. May God bless you as only he can do.............
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Lot,Noah,and the baby Jesus were all rescued BEFORE judgement never after
When did heaven change the format?
 
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popeye said:
Lot,Noah,and the baby Jesus were all rescued BEFORE judgement never after
When did heaven change the format?
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wasn't there a judgement on Sodom and Gomorah and the wicked were taken? In Noah's case wasn't there judgement on the world and the wicked taken? I want to be left behind like Lot and Noah
 
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Josefnospam said:
There is no rapture. There is an appointed time to die and an appointed time for the Lord to return in judgement and get his people. I suppose you could call that a "rapture" if you want but either way when God's elect leave this world they get to see the Lord as he is and worship him forever. For now while we are here let us praise the Lord for his goodness and wonderful works to the children of men and warn others to trust only in Christ's finished work, never anything they do.

I am so thankful I am not under the curse of the Law. May God bless you as only he can do.............
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I am with you on this. The rapture is an invention of two ministers in Scotland , who when heard of a young girls' (Margaret McDonald) story of a visitation by a spirit who gave her this information in the first place, ran with it and created a whole new religion based on this. No one will find any trace of rapture theory before 1830, it simply did not exist anywhere. For those interested in the origins of the rapture, I direct you to read "The incredible cover up" by Dave MacPherson, who wrote this documentary after tracing the origins from the U.S. to England, then to Scotland. This has all been recorded in church history. Many people hear of this by word of mouth and have no idea where and when it originated from as with so many other so called church doctrines that are not of God , nor Christ, but from the mouths of men.
 
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AVoiceintheWilderness

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Josefnospam said:
There is no rapture. There is an appointed time to die and an appointed time for the Lord to return in judgement and get his people. I suppose you could call that a "rapture" if you want but either way when God's elect leave this world they get to see the Lord as he is and worship him forever. For now while we are here let us praise the Lord for his goodness and wonderful works to the children of men and warn others to trust only in Christ's finished work, never anything they do.

I am so thankful I am not under the curse of the Law. May God bless you as only he can do.............
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The Rapture is a bit tough to pin down. There are many verses in Bible that 'appear' to refer to it and, thus, become fodder for either the PreTrib school OR the PostTrib. After my own investigation/study/research of the Bible and all perspectives, including prayer and analysis, I believe there will be a rapture-like event just before the Wrath.

Don't confuse the Tribulation with the Wrath of God. The Wrath is the final slap-down, if you will, of all unbelievers and all evil in high and low places.

The Trib is the 7 year (2 terms of 3.5 yrs) misery for all living people at that time, including devout believers.

Yes, we are appointed to suffer much for our salvation.

You also commented on the Law. That is much easier to prove if anybody's interested. The Law and Grace are not at odds. They are two ingredients of the same chemical reaction, if you will, that leads to the manifestation of a whole, complete Christian. The third ingredient is Works through faith.
 
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AVoiceintheWilderness said:
The Rapture is a bit tough to pin down. There are many verses in Bible that 'appear' to refer to it and, thus, become fodder for either the PreTrib school OR the PostTrib. After my own investigation/study/research of the Bible and all perspectives, including prayer and analysis, I believe there will be a rapture-like event just before the Wrath.

Don't confuse the Tribulation with the Wrath of God. The Wrath is the final slap-down, if you will, of all unbelievers and all evil in high and low places.

The Trib is the 7 year (2 terms of 3.5 yrs) misery for all living people at that time, including devout believers.

Yes, we are appointed to suffer much for our salvation.

You also commented on the Law. That is much easier to prove if anybody's interested. The Law and Grace are not at odds. They are two ingredients of the same chemical reaction, if you will, that leads to the manifestation of a whole, complete Christian. The third ingredient is Works through faith.
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I can understand this since it is pretty much how I see it. Could you please expand a little more on the rapture like event. Could this be a satanic trick that triggers the Wrath?
 
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AVoiceintheWilderness

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AceMichaels said:
I can understand this since it is pretty much how I see it. Could you please expand a little more on the rapture like event. Could this be a satanic trick that triggers the Wrath?
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I believe I know what you're thinking with the 'wanting to be left behind' as opposed to being 'Raptured' or gathered up and away. I have seen/heard the theories about 'Taken' meaning being killed like as was in the days of Noah.

But from my reading and perception of it, to the best of my discernment, it doesn't appear to be Biblically accurate. Consider Matthew 24:29-31

"[SUP]29[/SUP] Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
[SUP]30[/SUP] And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
[SUP]31[/SUP] And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

Matthew 24:29 - 24:31

There are many other verses that refer to a rapture-like event, but this one really speaks to the exact point in time regarding the Trib and following Wrath.
 
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AVoiceintheWilderness

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You mentioned the enemy and the reason these details are so utterly important to him and his forces upon the earth is that the concept of a Pre-Trib rapture event promises things that the Truth of the Bible does not.

Pre-Trip Rapture implies:

1. A second chance for those who are living unclean/unholy lives.

2. A second chance for Christians who believe all they have to do is believe in Jesus and they can live "like the devil" (as Charles Stanley and David Jeremiah would have you believe) and still slide in to home plate (Heaven) with their clothes smoking.

3. A clear way to know when the Tribulation has begun. By witnessing a Rapture-like event, it would be obvious that the 7 year Tribulation count-down had begun.

Without a Pre-Trib rapture, the enemy's forces can simply keep telling the world that everything is ok and nothing crazy is going on despite all the obvious signs that the Trib has begun and thus keep people calm and safe in their bubbles of Eternal Security/Salvation aloofness. Sinning away right up to the time that the saints are scooped out of the way and the world is devastated by God's final Wrath.
 
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tanikasg15

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I do believe in the rapture, but I do know the people of God will be saved and have eternal life.
 
AceMichaels

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AVoiceintheWilderness said:
You mentioned the enemy and the reason these details are so utterly important to him and his forces upon the earth is that the concept of a Pre-Trib rapture event promises things that the Truth of the Bible does not.

Pre-Trip Rapture implies:

1. A second chance for those who are living unclean/unholy lives.

2. A second chance for Christians who believe all they have to do is believe in Jesus and they can live "like the devil" (as Charles Stanley and David Jeremiah would have you believe) and still slide in to home plate (Heaven) with their clothes smoking.

3. A clear way to know when the Tribulation has begun. By witnessing a Rapture-like event, it would be obvious that the 7 year Tribulation count-down had begun.

Without a Pre-Trib rapture, the enemy's forces can simply keep telling the world that everything is ok and nothing crazy is going on despite all the obvious signs that the Trib has begun and thus keep people calm and safe in their bubbles of Eternal Security/Salvation aloofness. Sinning away right up to the time that the saints are scooped out of the way and the world is devastated by God's final Wrath.
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Thank You! You have given me some things to consider and further study
 
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AceMichaels said:
I believe the "rapture" will take place at the end of time after the Tribulation at the last trump just like Gods Word says.
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Amen to that and I agree......! Post tribulation/pre-wrath ingathering/change at the 7th and final trump!
 
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AVoiceintheWilderness

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AceMichaels said:
Thank You! You have given me some things to consider and further study
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No problem. I pray that the information I've posted is Truth. Please always check for yourself in your Bible and study diligently.

The rapture is a hard concept to nail down exactly due to verses that 'appear' to contradict eachother like Matt. 24:44 stating that, basically, Jesus will come when we least expect it, as if things are all fine and dandy. Then you look at 24:29 and it clearly states that Jesus will come 'immediately' after the Tribulation. So that would lead you to believe that things have been very bad for a good while.

But read diligently, study any and all concepts that interest you and always pray for discernment when reading/studying/researching. God wants you to search the scriptures and seek His Truth. The Bible is a gift straight from God to each one of us. 1 John 2:27 and John 6:45 tell us that we don't need anyone else to teach us. If we seek with true sincerity and pure hearts for God, He will teach us, Himself, and guide us through His Word.

Awesome, aint it?

God Bless
 
AceMichaels

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AVoiceintheWilderness said:
No problem. I pray that the information I've posted is Truth. Please always check for yourself in your Bible and study diligently.

The rapture is a hard concept to nail down exactly due to verses that 'appear' to contradict eachother like Matt. 24:44 stating that, basically, Jesus will come when we least expect it, as if things are all fine and dandy. Then you look at 24:29 and it clearly states that Jesus will come 'immediately' after the Tribulation. So that would lead you to believe that things have been very bad for a good while.

But read diligently, study any and all concepts that interest you and always pray for discernment when reading/studying/researching. God wants you to search the scriptures and seek His Truth. The Bible is a gift straight from God to each one of us. 1 John 2:27 and John 6:45 tell us that we don't need anyone else to teach us. If we seek with true sincerity and pure hearts for God, He will teach us, Himself, and guide us through His Word.

Awesome, aint it?

God Bless
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Yes it is!!!!! My interest in this subject had been aroused due to many of my friends falling for the Left Behind books. I tell them it is fiction and they assure me that they know that, but the way they talk tells me they have swallowed the lie :(
 
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