Acts 10:9-15 (Un)clean food?

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True.

But it still does not mean Peter's vision means it's now healthy to eat animal meats that are scavengers God created to cleanse the earth.

well first you say it's true, then you take it all back

I eat healthy

but you know, an interesting fact is that pork is actually better for you than beef

ps...I NEVER said Peter's vision meant or gave any indication to anything as healthy or unhealthy
 

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Is it wrong (unclean) to eat squid or octopus, then? And if yes, why?
 

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well first you say it's true, then you take it all back

I eat healthy

but you know, an interesting fact is that pork is actually better for you than beef

ps...I NEVER said Peter's vision meant or gave any indication to anything as healthy or unhealthy

That's some of that putting good for evil, and evil for good I see.
 

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The point is simply that they were bound by nothing regarding the Law of Moses. Not just the Gentile Christians, but the Jewish Christians as well.
That is why most Jewish believers, in our time, do not practice the dietary laws.
 

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It is good you want to do GOD's will and I encourage you to continue to honor the dietary laws because they are not done away with. The scripture you read is not referring to the dietary laws. This scripture references to bringing the Gentiles into the church. Matthew 10:5, state, These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritians enter not: But rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. The reason he told them this was because Isreal was supposed to be GOD chosen people to give his word and they were to teach it to all other sons and daughter of Adam. Well they had dropped the ball and needed to be taught themselves first. Since it was Jesus plan for all to be saved, he had to bring the other nations into the church. So this scripture is where the Lord prepare his disciplines to accept the first Gentile into the church. Where most people go wrong, is they don't read the entire chapter. If you will start from verse 1, you will get a better understanding.

Acts 10:1-48
There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band, A devout man, and one that feared GOD with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to GOD always. He saw in a vision evidently about the ninth hour of the day an angel of GOD coming in to him, and saying unto him, Cornelius. And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, LORD? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before GOD. And now send men to Joppa, and call for one Simon, whose surname is Peter. He lodged with one Simon a tanner, whose house is by the sea side: he shall tell thee what thou oughest to do. And when the angel which spake unto Cornelius was departed, he called two of his household servants, and a devout soldier of them that waited on him continuality; And when he had declared all these things unto them, he sent them to Joppa.

Well, since Jesus had taught his disciplines to go not unto the ways of the gentile, the Jews had nothing to do with other nations. The LORD knew that Peter would not come and teach Cornelius what to do, so he knew he had to prepare Peter and let him know that he had sent Cornelius to him. Otherwise Peter would not have believed him since he told them not to teach them.

The vision Peters had, was GOD way of letting Peter know to go with the men who were coming to get him, because GOD had also granted repentence unto life unto the Gentiles.

If if you will read the whole chapter ten, you will see this, because after people had this dream the spirit abased him to go with them and told him that the three men seeketh him. Acts 10:34-35, Peter states, of a truth I perceive that GOD is no respecter of persons; But in every nation he that feareth him, and workers righteousness, is accepted with him.

At that point he taught Cornelius about Christ. However Peter confirms and say this himself. The word got back to the Apostles and brethren that Peter had kept company with another nation, and they confronted Peter about it. Peter responded in Acts 11:5-18: I was in the city of Joppa praying; and in a trance I saw a vision, a certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me: Upon the which when I had fastened mine eyes, I considered, and saw fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. And I heard a voice saying unto me, arise, Peter; slay and eat. But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth. But the voice answered me again from heaven, What GOD hath cleansed, that call not thou common. And this was done three times and all drawn up again into heaven. And, behold, immediately there were three men already come unto the house where I was, sent from Caesarea unto me. And the spirit bade me to go with them, nothing doubting. Moreover these six brethren accompanied me, and we entered into the man's house: And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter; Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved. And as I speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning. Then remembered I the word of the LORD, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. Forasmuch then as GOD gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand GOD. When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified GOD, saying, Then hath GOD also to the Gentiles granted repentence unto life.

I hope this help.....
1Tim 4:1-4 can't be so easily dismissed; nor can Acts 15:19-20.
 

MarcR

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Thank you for the link, brother.

I though we should keep the moral law...! Are you saying you should not obey the Law?


God bless you!
The Law can not be divided into categories--- it is all or nothing.

If we depend only on Jesus for our relationship with God; the Holy spirit within us will align our will with God's will so we will not desire to sin.

If we depend on obedience to Law; we in effect say that what Jesus did was not enough: we need to do our part.

If what Jesus did was not enough; then nothing we can add will be enough either.

We should and will indeed not live a lifestyle of sin; not because of our efforts---but because God is at work in us.
 

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Well, I know the Law does not lead to Salvation, but through the Law comes the knowledge of sin, agreed? Would you agree that Jesus 2 commandments are the summation of the 10 commandments?
Yes and more. Jesus 2 commandments are a summation of all the Law and the Prophets.

The question is not whether moral and ethical obedience are important! Of course they are!!! The question is:

Does moral and ethical obedience flow from our efforts, or from God's work in us? My answer is from God's work in us!

I believe that the books of Romans and Galatians support my answer.
 

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I think you might want to look more closely at that 1 Tim.4 Scripture...

1 Tim 4:3-5
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
KJV

Which meats did God originally create 'to be received with thanksgiving'??

The point is that verse 4 does not qualify its statement by limiting it to what God originally created 'to be received with thanksgiving; or we would all still be vegetarians! God made a blanket statement; and dir not appoint you as His editor!
 
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That's some of that putting good for evil, and evil for good I see.
I have no idea what you are trying to get at

food is not evil...the thoughts of people is where evil stems from
 

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I have no idea what you are trying to get at

food is not evil...the thoughts of people is where evil stems from
Yeah, that's exactly how I interpreted your response to me in your previous post too, i.e., gibberish.
 
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Hi DP,

I started a study on this in 2013, and posted the first few portions of my own study here on the forums. I was hoping that others would get involved because it really shows some amazing correlations that occur throughout scriptures.

Here's a link to that if you're interested.

It's not a complete study, but it's a start.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/71693-two-tables-biblical-foods.html
I read that. But, you do know some those meanings are given in a metaphor regarding spiritual matters, right?

For example, the 'milk' vs. 'strong meat' idea is comparable to a believer's learning only staying on the milk of the first principles of Christianity, never progressing to the deeper things in God's Word that really builds one's spirit up in The Lord and in Faith in order to make a 'stand' for Him against all wickedness, which is what the 'strong meat' is about. In that analogy, many brethren will fall away during the coming "strong delusion" event upon the whole world, because they've been staying on the 'milk' of God's Word, instead of on the "strong meat" which provides real spiritual strength to make that stand in the future for Christ.
 

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1Tim 4:4 For every creature of God is good and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving.
Vs.5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
Break out the buffet!
 

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1Tim 4:4 For every creature of God is good and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving.
Vs.5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
Break out the buffet!
Back up to the verses you skipped, which defines which... meats, i.e, meats God created to be received with thanksgiving. Which meats were those?
 
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I read that. But, you do know some those meanings are given in a metaphor regarding spiritual matters, right?

For example, the 'milk' vs. 'strong meat' idea is comparable to a believer's learning only staying on the milk of the first principles of Christianity, never progressing to the deeper things in God's Word that really builds one's spirit up in The Lord and in Faith in order to make a 'stand' for Him against all wickedness, which is what the 'strong meat' is about. In that analogy, many brethren will fall away during the coming "strong delusion" event upon the whole world, because they've been staying on the 'milk' of God's Word, instead of on the "strong meat" which provides real spiritual strength to make that stand in the future for Christ.
That was the point of the study.

Like, "bread," for example. "Give us this day our daily bread,"

John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

The bible is filled with these types of correlations. It's an amazing subject to study out from Gen to Rev.
 
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1Tim 4:4 For every creature of God is good and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving.
Vs.5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
Break out the buffet!
Amen Yet! At the best table, HIS table!
 

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That was the point of the study.

Like, "bread," for example. "Give us this day our daily bread,"

John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

The bible is filled with these types of correlations. It's an amazing subject to study out from Gen to Rev.
Yes. And that actually is part of the "strong meat" of God's Word which many brethren stumble with.

God uses many symbolic metaphors, analogies, allegories, proverbs, parables, etc., to explain something, which is so to actually make His Word easier to understand. Yet many find understanding at that level kind of abstract.

When our Lord Jesus in Matt.16 told His disciples to beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadduccees, they thought He was speaking of how they had forgotten to bring bread to eat.

Then He reminded them of the miracles of the loaves and fishes, and asked them how many baskets of fragments they gathered up afterwards. Some brethren still struggle with how He related that as analogy to the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadduccees.

I find that many also struggle with understanding His analogy about the new wine and old bottles.
 

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I asked that because squid and octopus have no scales...! But even not having scales, are there any health problems by eating them? I confess I´ve never heart of it.
 

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Yes, it is unhealthy to eat octopus or squid, as God created it as a scavenger. It is unhealthy to our body. Eating it is NOT a Salvation issue though.

I'll be glad when brethren in Christ begin recognize that eating away from God's clean list is actually unhealthy to our flesh bodies, instead of always thinking of it as a religious issue.

Eat all the unhealthy foods you want, your body won't be healthy. (And don't forget to pray over those Snickers bars!).

Will it keep you out of Heaven? No, just don't glutton (which is a NT sin).