Acts 10:9-15 (Un)clean food?

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KohenMatt

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We eat "kosher" in our church. A few years ago, a man came into our church and purposefully brought in a pepperoni pizza for our fellowship meal to test us. Those of us who got some politely picked off the pepperonis and kept eating.

Observing the clean and unclean food standards are important to God. How we treat others is more important.
 

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1Tim.4:4 For every (oh no. The word 'every' again) creature of God is good and nothing to be refused if it be received with thanksgiving.

'Every' in this verse is the same 'every' in 1Cor. 12:7 of which most Christians cannot grasp. Did I just hijack this thread? Sorry.
Back to my pork ribs! Smile!
 

DP

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1Tim.4:4 For every (oh no. The word 'every' again) creature of God is good and nothing to be refused if it be received with thanksgiving.

'Every' in this verse is the same 'every' in 1Cor. 12:7 of which most Christians cannot grasp. Did I just hijack this thread? Sorry.
Back to my pork ribs! Smile!
Exactly what men's traditions love to do, leave out relevant Scripture that gives more info apart from the one they quote...

1 Tim 4:3-4
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
KJV

If Paul hadn't mentioned that phrase "which God hath created to be received" in the previous verse, then truly "every" in verse 4 could mean absolutely... any meat. But it does not mean every meat.

To know what meats God created to be received with thanksgiving, we have to consult OT Scripture like Deut.14 where He gave that list of clean vs. unclean meats.

I covered this before in conjunction with what Paul taught in 1 Cor.10 about eating whatever is sold in the "shambles" (market), asking no questions. And also that if a non-believer invites us to dinner, to eat what is put before us asking no question, that for The Gospel's sake that you're trying to reveal to them, meaning this is not a Salvation issue, but a flesh body health issue. We are not to make a religion out of it, but nor are we to think that God changed unhealthy foods into healthy foods.
 

DiscipleDave

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Originally Posted by DiscipleDave


i eat dead things all the time, am i a scavenger too?

^i^ responding to post # 148
I see your 47 years old now, wait until a little later in life.
Are you saying because i eat meat, that later on in life, i will suffer in my health. Are you saying that there is not one person EVER that has eaten all he wanted to eat that did not suffer in the end for doing so? Health is a Blessing from God is it not? a person can eat super healthy, and still have bad health, yes? A person can eat super unhealthy and have good health, yes? Do you not know or understand, it is not what you eat that makes you healthy or unhealthy, but it is God. People are unhealthy according to the Scriptures, NOT because of what they eat, but because they are not living right.

1Co 11:28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
1Co 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
1Co 11:30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.


Have you ever took communion unworthily?

Is it not written that if you sow to the flesh then of that flesh you shall reap corruption? Yes.

Gal_6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.


So then if a person looks at pornography, lusts, and sows to his flesh that night, then 40 years later he reaps corruption in the flesh because of that night of lusting. It is not because of what he ate that he is unhealthy, but because how he chose to live 40 years prior, on that night. Woe to them who continually lust, how will they escape corruption in their flesh when they are elderly. Live Right now, live Healthy then. has nothing to do with what you eat or don't eat.

Isa 58:6 Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke?
Isa 58:7 Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?
Isa 58:8 Then shall thy light break forth as the morning, and thine health shall spring forth speedily: and thy righteousness shall go before thee; the glory of the LORD shall be thy reward.


Health then comes by living Right, not by what you eat.

Jer 30:15 Why criest thou for thine affliction? thy sorrow is incurable for the multitude of thine iniquity: because thy sins were increased, I have done these things unto thee.
Jer 30:16 Therefore all they that devour thee shall be devoured; and all thine adversaries, every one of them, shall go into captivity; and they that spoil thee shall be a spoil, and all that prey upon thee will I give for a prey.
Jer 30:17 For I will restore health unto thee, and I will heal thee of thy wounds, saith the LORD; because they called thee an Outcast, saying, This is Zion, whom no man seeketh after.


Again, live Right, and Health is restored.

Find me 10 M.D.'s that say it's OK to eat anything we want and I'll show you ten quacks that shouldn't be practicing medicine.
Do not Trust men and what they say and teach, believe the Word of God not men.

^i^ responding to post #159
 

DiscipleDave

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We eat "kosher" in our church. A few years ago, a man came into our church and purposefully brought in a pepperoni pizza for our fellowship meal to test us. Those of us who got some politely picked off the pepperonis and kept eating.

Observing the clean and unclean food standards are important to God. How we treat others is more important.
You say "Observing the clean and unclean food standards are important to God" Could you tell me where Jesus taught that, or any of the Apostle taught that, or any Disciple taught that?

So then if Jesus did not teach that.
the Apostles did not teach that.
Disciples did not teach that.
Why are you teaching that?

Oh what is God to do with the modern day Pharisees. teaching Do's and Don'ts which Jesus nor any Apostle ever taught such things. The Pharisees taught Do's And Don'ts which were not found in Scriptures, their own traditions. Today we have the same things. Christians teaching Christians Do's And Don'ts which Jesus or His Apostle NEVER instructed us Christians to do. They do greatly error, adding burdens on fellow Christians, teaching them their own doctrines and not teachings from Jesus Christ or any teachings from the Apostles, but their own doctrines they teach. Believe them not.

Here is the Truth, If a person obeys what Jesus instructed them to do, and obeys what His Apostles instructed them to do, they will be accepted into the Kingdom of Heaven. But be warned, there are many who ADD to what Jesus and His Apostles taught us to do, by teaching Do's and Don'ts which Jesus nor the Apostles ever taught us to do. Stay away from them, and do not believe a word they teach, they know not the Truth, nor is the Truth in them. They will not escape His wrath when it comes upon the Earth, and it does not matter if they have never ate an unclean thing in their entire life, they shall feel His wrath, for adding burdens to the children of God, eat this, eat that, don't eat this, don't eat that, false teachers they are, devoid of the Truth of God. you have been warned not to hearken to them.

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DiscipleDave

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1Tim.4:4 For every (oh no. The word 'every' again) creature of God is good and nothing to be refused if it be received with thanksgiving.

'Every' in this verse is the same 'every' in 1Cor. 12:7 of which most Christians cannot grasp. Did I just hijack this thread? Sorry.
Back to my pork ribs! Smile!
Those who are devoid of the Truth, will not accept plain Scriptures, the Truth is not in them.

^i^ responding to post # 162
 

DP

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Well yes, of course what we eat matters... to our body's health.

And I refuse to make a religion out of it.

It's just like circumcision of males. Medical science has proven that it is a healthy practice. I simply don't make a religion out of it, because under The New Covenant there is no such requirement to be circumcised. But it's still a healthy practice as science has shown.

Likewise, medical science has shown what foods are good for us, and what foods are bad for us, and that happens to align with God's Word, because true science is right in alignment with God's creation of how He made it, and none can escape that.

So which attitude of the people would cause their flesh bodies to be healthier? thinking they can eat anything they want and it doesn't matter to the health of their body, or being practical and trying to eat the things they know is good for their body? It's a common sense matter, not a religious matter like you're trying to make it.
 

DiscipleDave

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Exactly what men's traditions love to do, leave out relevant Scripture that gives more info apart from the one they quote...

1 Tim 4:3-4
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
KJV

If Paul hadn't mentioned that phrase "which God hath created to be received" in the previous verse, then truly "every" in verse 4 could mean absolutely... any meat. But it does not mean every meat.

To know what meats God created to be received with thanksgiving, we have to consult OT Scripture like Deut.14 where He gave that list of clean vs. unclean meats.

I covered this before in conjunction with what Paul taught in 1 Cor.10 about eating whatever is sold in the "shambles" (market), asking no questions. And also that if a non-believer invites us to dinner, to eat what is put before us asking no question, that for The Gospel's sake that you're trying to reveal to them, meaning this is not a Salvation issue, but a flesh body health issue. We are not to make a religion out of it, but nor are we to think that God changed unhealthy foods into healthy foods.
i see you have rationalized, converted, and altered verses that do not fit into what you believe is True, might as well do the same with these verses too, please explain what YOU THINK they mean.

Mat_6:25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?

Mat_6:31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?

Luk_12:22 And he said unto his disciples, Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat; neither for the body, what ye shall put on.

Luk_12:29 And seek not ye what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink, neither be ye of doubtful mind.


So then if i do not worry about what i should eat or not eat, and Do that which Jesus instructs me to do, how can you say it is wrong? Do you worry about what you eat, if it be clean, if it be unclean, if it is healthy, if it is unhealthy.

i live by the Bible and what it teaches, i do not worry about what to eat or not to eat, exactly like the Pharisees did. If Jesus plainly teaches take no thought for your life, what you shall eat, why are you teaching to take thought for your life and eat only clean foods? For what to preserve your life longer? What? You want to live longer on this wicked, evil Earth? Jesus says take no thought for your life, but i hear people saying over and over again "TAKE THOUGHT FOR YOUR LIFE" Eat only clean, do not eat unclean, you are deceived, and do not know the Truth.

i do what Jesus Christ said, i take no thought for my life, why do you say i should? Because you do not know the Truth, nor believe the teachings of the Son of God. If you believed His teachings, you would not be teaching children of God to eat this, or eat that, or do not eat this, or do not eat that, and all for what, to preserve your life, which is CONTRARY to what Jesus taught Himself.

Tell me, how will you explain those verses i gave above, how will you make them fit into your own belief? Please explain to be those Scriptures, if you are able to do so. Or do you choose to ignore these verses because they do not fit into YOUR belief?

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DP

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Well, what did Apostle Paul teach in 1 Corinthians 10 which goes with that idea? Our Lord Jesus was speaking to His disciples He sent to preach The Gospel, so that is one factor in that which should not be missed.

1 Cor 10:25-31
25 Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake:
26 For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof.
27 If any of them that believe not bid you to a feast, and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake.
28 But if any man say unto you, This is offered in sacrifice unto idols, eat not for his sake that shewed it, and for conscience sake: for the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof:
29 Conscience, I say, not thine own, but of the other: for why is my liberty judged of another man's conscience?
30 For if I by grace be a partaker, why am I evil spoken of for that for which I give thanks?
31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.
KJV

If I were marooned on a desert isle with nothing but shellfish to eat, I'm going to eat to live, and give thanks for it. But when I get back to civilization, I'm not going to continue in that, because I know (and medical science agrees) that shellfish is very... high in cholesterol, which is bad for the body because it clogs up the arteries.

And if I go to a foreign country with The Gospel, and they set a plate of opossum on the table, I will give thanks and eat, not wanting to offend them for The Gospel's sake. But I won't continue in that food apart from them, for I know it is not healthy for one's body.

But what some brethren who go against the idea of eating healthy do, is to think that as long as they give God thanks for whatever they eat, that He will somehow cleanse it of the unhealthy chemicals in it, making it healthy to eat.

But if that's what people want, then I'm not going to judge them for it. Nor will I be judged for what I choose to eat, or choose to not eat.

Even when God showed Apostle Peter the vision of a blanket of unclean animals, (which was actually about His Salvation going to Gentiles, and not a declaration to eat unclean food at all), Peter showed that he had never eaten any of those things in his whole life.

I lived in Europe for three and a half years, and where I was the majority of people ate healthier than we do in the U.S. because their food system was setup better. They didn't eat a lot of frozen foods, McDonalds and such, and I don't recall ever seeing a freezer in their homes like we do. Even in small villages they would go to the local market daily to prepare their food fresh each day. They only had one type of salad dressing, olive oil and vinegar (which is very healthy), and only leafy type lettuce (again very healthy). Their whole system of fresh produce, fresh butchered meats, and even fresh daily baked breads from stone ground wheat the old world way was a daily fare. And the food was cheap, the cheapest restaurants were of the quality of one our more expensive ones in the U.S. in a major city.
 

DiscipleDave

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Dietary Laws were created for the Israelite people to follow and obey, as being a part of the Old covenant. We Christians are not under the Old Covenant, But a New covenant with Jesus Christ. And under that New Covenant with Jesus Christ, Jesus nor any of His Apostles ever, not even one time, instructed us Christians to continue to keep the Dietary Laws that were given to the Israelites to follow and obey.

Do all things Jesus tells you to do.
Do all things His Apostles tells you to do.
Do those two things, and you will be doing His Will.

^i^ Responding to OP