Law was to lead us to Christ.

[eternally-gratefull]

[/B]
Yes, but there was always a remedy for sin, the sacrifice. That honesty of knowing you couldn't keep the law would always lead you to faith in the sacrifice for sin. That's how the law would lead to Christ. It was then only necessary to show by the law and the prophets that Jesus was the perfect sacrifice spoken of.

I think the jews saw so much sacrifice, they grew used to it, and it lost its significance, and "shock" value (they did not see how horrible this should make them feel. that this innocent creature had to pay for their sin.

Today we do not have it at all. so we even have a harder time.

Thats why Jesus told thomas, it was great that he believed, Greater yet are we who do not see, yet believe.

 

[BenFTW]

I was just reading Hebrews 8 and man, is this blunt or what?

Hebrews 8:13 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

13 When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.

Would someone who is legalistic find this verse offensive?

 

[FreeNChrist]

I was just reading Hebrews 8 and man, is this blunt or what?

Hebrews 8:13 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

13 When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.

Would someone who is legalistic find this verse offensive?

How do people miss it? It's mind boggling.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I was just reading Hebrews 8 and man, is this blunt or what?

Hebrews 8:13 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
13 When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.
Would someone who is legalistic find this verse offensive?

And that was written nearly two millenia ago. If was old and decrepit that long ago, what state could it possibly be in now?

 

[gotime]

Peter himself said in Acts 15 that the law of Moses was a yoke that neither they nor their fathers were able to bear, and that those who were trying to bring the gentiles under bondage to that law were tempting GOD.

So now why are you putting God to the test by placing on the neck of the disciples a yoke that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? But we believe we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus in the same way those also are.” Acts 15:10-11​

Now Peter was the head of the church, and bore witness that neither he nor anyone else were able to keep the law, even those like himself who had received the spirit. Yet here you are proclaiming the very thing that he said tempted GOD.

I hear what you are saying but I disagree. you may think I am just being stubborn but I assure you that is not the case. You may think that Peters words are clear and they are very clear when you know the Old Covenant clearly. but If you don't know it then these words of Peter are easily misapplied.

And Yes I am suggesting that your problem is not that you don't know your new testament but rather you don't know your old testament and thus seem to be misapplying the new in a way that those who knew it, eg Peter would never have done.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I hear what you are saying but I disagree. you may think I am just being stubborn but I assure you that is not the case. You may think that Peters words are clear and they are very clear when you know the Old Covenant clearly. but If you don't know it then these words of Peter are easily misapplied.

And Yes I am suggesting that your problem is not that you don't know your new testament but rather you don't know your old testament and thus seem to be misapplying the new in a way that those who knew it, eg Peter would never have done.

I actually know the OT very, very well.

If you can explain how I'm "misapplying the new in a way that those who knew it, eg Peter would never have done", I'd be glad to hear it.

 

[shotgunner]

Thanks Shotgunner for the reply.....still have a lot of questions buzzing around in my head...lol

That's Ok brother. Despite what we sometimes think, none of us have all the answers. That's why we need each other. Hopefully we can all contribute to each others knowledge.

 

[gotime]

Peter himself said in Acts 15 that the law of Moses was a yoke that neither they nor their fathers were able to bear, and that those who were trying to bring the gentiles under bondage to that law were tempting GOD.

So now why are you putting God to the test by placing on the neck of the disciples a yoke that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? But we believe we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus in the same way those also are.” Acts 15:10-11​

Now Peter was the head of the church, and bore witness that neither he nor anyone else were able to keep the law, even those like himself who had received the spirit. Yet here you are proclaiming the very thing that he said tempted GOD.

Do you make distinction between the law of Moses and the law of God? Now I am not saying they are not connected but they are clearly distinct in the Old Testament.

They are also distinct in the new.

The law of God pointed out sin.

The law of Moses showed how one could be made righteous through sacrifices and ceremonies etc. It also contained laws that only applied to Israel as a theocracy and for their time and culture.

The law of God is eternal as sin is never ok.

The law of Moses passed with the true sacrifice Jesus Christ.

I have not put texts yet because I need to know where we disagree before that.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Do you make distinction between the law of Moses and the law of God? Now I am not saying they are not connected but they are clearly distinct in the Old Testament.
They are also distinct in the new.
The law of God pointed out sin.
The law of Moses showed how one could be made righteous through sacrifices and ceremonies etc. It also contained laws that only applied to Israel as a theocracy and for their time and culture.
The law of God is eternal as sin is never ok.
The law of Moses passed with the true sacrifice Jesus Christ.
I have not put texts yet because I need to know where we disagree before that.

Your distinction between the law of Moses and the law of GOD is not scriptural. It was all the law of Moses that he received from GOD. Therefore it was all the law of GOD for Israel.

And keep the charge of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, to keep his statutes, and his commandments, and his judgments, and his testimonies, as it is written in the law of Moses, that thou mayest prosper in all that thou doest, and whithersoever thou turnest thyself: 1 Kings 2:3

Be ye therefore very courageous to keep and to do all that is written in the book of the law of Moses, that ye turn not aside therefrom to the right hand or to the left; Joshua 23:6

And he wrote there upon the stones a copy of the law of Moses, which he wrote in the presence of the children of Israel. Joshua 8:32​

 

[MarcR]

I do disagree with you on this one that much is clear. In saying that I have a lot of time for you personally, I have read many of your posts and find you to be a reasonable person. While we disagree on this I do respect you. I wont push it any further.

Blessings.

The respect is indeed mutual. Having spent well over 5,000 hours studying Hebrew, I suspect that the grammar and syntax of that language have become important to me.