False path

[Thaddaeus]

Ummm..... the nature of language? How does the fact that language changes over time have anything to do with intelligence?

why the change, because parents won't help educate their children in the area of language, such as the Hip hop/blim blam ( don't know the tech name for it ) but where parents are so lazy or too busy to correct their own children in their speech or that through process of time words being spoken wrong down through generations that now we have a whole new english language, that whole teaching systems have to be changed in order to give a certain group of people the proper education. this is not the right english but this is the only english they know, so now we have english speaking people that can't even understand one another and this is good because it is change? the hip hops can't understand us and we can't understand them. My son had a speech problem, when He was small the school system offered speech classes, they educated in him proper speech, they didn't let the student educate the teacher, I think that language changes does reflect intelligence, they can't be smart enough to speak proper english so we educated the intelligent ones to communicate to them. same as with old english it is not that the Old english is too hard , this is just attack on the Holy Word itself, why don't people attack the writings of Shakespeare, nay but they admire it for the beauty that it is, it is still used in the same school systems that protest that the King James Bible is too hard for our kids, sounds like a double standard to me. so the Holy Word Of God is too hard for today's culture so instead of educating the people we alter the Word of God, and Is this the proper thing to do?????

would you please explain what is too hard to understand about :

Joh 3:16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.Joh 3:17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Ok so the word begotten, may not be an everyday word, LOOK IT UP!!!!!!!!!! educate the people on what begotten means. don't take it out and make the Word a lie and say that God has only one Son. so we preach that it is easlier to use 14 different translations than One authorized translation and a dictionary, and this is right before the eyes of God????? and we accept it because of progress and change.

 

[Thaddaeus]

a foot note on the language reflecting intelligence, it may not reflect intelligence as much as the education that ones has had, which this would reflect/hinder the intelligence, example if your small child looks up at the moon and say mars, and you never correct Him, then when he gets tens years old and says to someone boy mars sure is bright tonight and they say what are you talking about, and he points at the moon and says see how bright mars is tonight, they will think of his intelligence or lack of and probably not think it is based on his education or lack of.

 

[phil36]

a foot note on the language reflecting intelligence, it may not reflect intelligence as much as the education that ones has had, which this would reflect/hinder the intelligence, example if your small child looks up at the moon and say mars, and you never correct Him, then when he gets tens years old and says to someone boy mars sure is bright tonight and they say what are you talking about, and he points at the moon and says see how bright mars is tonight, they will think of his intelligence or lack of and probably not think it is based on his education or lack of.

Thaddaeus, I am not sure exactly what you are trying to point too. However, language changes, it has nothing to do with parents educating their children, Children have probably got a better education now than they did back then!

Now concerning 'Authorized Version' I think the King James only camp get confused here. The Authorization was from a man, A king of England.

If we where to really pedantic and take the view of the 'king James only mob' then I am afraid you are wrong. Why don't we force are children to learn Koine Greek and read the original language??

And another question, why should parents teach their children an archaic language! its totally pointless. and anyhow you are not reading the 1611 version are you? you will be reading one of the many revisions Thaddaeus.

As I have said before there is nothing wrong if you want to use the KJV, but it is not the only translation and it has served the church well. but really be truthful with yourself, why should we force people to learn an archaic language, why put a heavy burden on people coming to learn God's word? That is why we have Translations in a language that we can now read easily, as was the case when the KJV was first published.

Kind regards

Phil

 

[Thaddaeus]

Thaddaeus, I am not sure exactly what you are trying to point too. However, language changes, it has nothing to do with parents educating their children, Children have probably got a better education now than they did back then!

Now concerning 'Authorized Version' I think the King James only camp get confused here. The Authorization was from a man, A king of England.

If we where to really pedantic and take the view of the 'king James only mob' then I am afraid you are wrong. Why don't we force are children to learn Koine Greek and read the original language??

And another question, why should parents teach their children an archaic language! its totally pointless. and anyhow you are not reading the 1611 version are you? you will be reading one of the many revisions Thaddaeus.

As I have said before there is nothing wrong if you want to use the KJV, but it is not the only translation and it has served the church well. but really be truthful with yourself, why should we force people to learn an archaic language, why put a heavy burden on people coming to learn God's word? That is why we have Translations in a language that we can now read easily, as was the case when the KJV was first published.

Kind regards

Phil

yes I do own a 1611 King James Bible thank you, have even read the Apocrypha books that are in the 1611. when we say language as in the old english compared to today's english we are talking about the same language english. I love it when the agrument about if I want to hang on to the old english Bible then I should " force are (our) children to learn Koine Greek and read the original language??" which is a different language then what we speak, it is like comparing apples with oranges, a total waste as far a debates goes. and why we have different languages then you will have to take that up with God, I think that was his doings, may want to study the tower of Babel. If all the new modern perversions did was up date the language i would have no problem with them, I also use a revised edition of the 1611. the verses i post in here are from the revised edition. for I have not found or do not own a bible search for the orginal 1611 . I put a heavy burden by saying let's stay with the Bible that was Bible for almost 400 years now. LOL. it simply amazes me and believe me, If I can understand the Word of God through the 1611 or a revised edition of the translation, then No one should ever have any problem with receiving wisdom From that good ole King James Bible.

 

[phil36]

I take that back Thaddaeus, I must admit I am impressed you have a 1611 edition ,

I just reread my post and the tone wasn't very nice sorry for that, my point really is, we shouldnt have to teach our children archaic words, as there are perfectly good modern translations and i will agree with you, some bad ones.

Kind regards

Phil

 

[aspen]

why the change, because parents won't help educate their children in the area of language, such as the Hip hop/blim blam ( don't know the tech name for it ) but where parents are so lazy or too busy to correct their own children in their speech or that through process of time words being spoken wrong down through generations that now we have a whole new english language, that whole teaching systems have to be changed in order to give a certain group of people the proper education.

1. I remember when I used to think that the world was falling apart because everyone was lazy or morally bankrupt - tough way to live.

2. I was a speech therapist for 10 years; we are raising some of the smartest children that have ever walked the Earth. If you realized what kids have to know these days, compared to us, when we were kids, it would surprise you.

3. Personally, I think message boards contribute to bad habits in writing. I noticed that in your message railing about the poor language usage in our children you didn't capitalize English and you sentence structure was not perfect. I am not pointing these things out to criticize you, but to make a point; everyone has let language skills slide.

this is not the right english but this is the only english they know, so now we have english speaking people that can't even understand one another and this is good because it is change?

1. Honestly, your refusal to capitalize your words at the beginning of your poorly constructed sentences makes it extremely difficult to read your post.

the hip hops can't understand us and we can't understand them.

1. This is a product of your age - you are out of touch with mainstream culture. Every generation has their own language; it is part of growing up and mastering a difficult language and declaring independence. It is ok for us to be out of touch - I know I am, but at least see it for what it is.

My son had a speech problem, when He was small the school system offered speech classes, they educated in him proper speech, they didn't let the student educate the teacher, I think that language changes does reflect intelligence, they can't be smart enough to speak proper english so we educated the intelligent ones to communicate to them.

1. Wow. You sure have strong opinions about the school system today. When was the last time you visited a school and checked out their programs and observed in a classroom? Maybe you should volunteer on a school board if you would like to see some changes.

same as with old english it is not that the Old english is too hard , this is just attack on the Holy Word itself, why don't people attack the writings of Shakespeare, nay but they admire it for the beauty that it is, it is still used in the same school systems

So, you are complaining that the kids are being taught how to read Shakespeare's works in school, which were written during the same time period as the King James Bible; AND you are complaining that kids have no exposure to 16th century English? - which is different than old English, BTW. Wow! I guess you are simply determined to be angry.

that protest that the King James Bible is too hard for our kids, sounds like a double standard to me. so the Holy Word Of God is too hard for today's culture so instead of educating the people we alter the Word of God, and Is this the proper thing to do?????

I see, you are a King James only person......it is just not rational. How can people be married to a translation of God's Word? At least Muslims make sense when they claim that the best way to read the Koran is in it's original language. They don't pretend that the best version was translated 1600 years after the events occurred, in English, which is 400 years old.

would you please explain what is too hard to understand about :

Joh 3:16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.Joh 3:17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Ok so the word begotten, may not be an everyday word, LOOK IT UP!!!!!!!!!! educate the people on what begotten means. don't take it out and make the Word a lie and say that God has only one Son. so we preach that it is easlier to use 14 different translations than One authorized translation and a dictionary, and this is right before the eyes of God????? and we accept it because of progress and change.

I am more interested in why you are assuming it is difficult to read; why you appear so angry about it; and why you think this translation is the only accurate translation of the Bible.

If you are really interested in how the English language has evolved over the history of its emergence during the reign of Charlemagne in the 700s, please investigate on your own; it really is a fascinating story. In the meantime, enjoy your King James Bible, it does use beautiful language; I can see why some scholars believe that Shakespeare may of actually translated it.

 

[Thaddaeus]

If you are really interested in how the English language has evolved over the history of its emergence during the reign of Charlemagne in the 700s, please investigate on your own; it really is a fascinating story. In the meantime, enjoy your King James Bible, it does use beautiful language; I can see why some scholars believe that Shakespeare may of actually translated it.

I shouldn't be at all surprised that you have twisted my words so. for I also seen what you do to the Word of God, God bless you, I didn't know I was being graded in here on my writings skills, maybe we could get CC to use spell check in the future, no forget that you would just find something else wrong then.

 

[loveschild]

The whole bible is of the past. Our history written in the bible is very important. So we don't make the same mistakes. Revelations says the art is in heaven so I don't understand why they keep looking for it down here.
Yes we keep marching on. But all of what was written in the old book the bible is our guide line to our destinies.

 

[pickles]

The whole bible is of the past. Our history written in the bible is very important. So we don't make the same mistakes. Revelations says the art is in heaven so I don't understand why they keep looking for it down here.
Yes we keep marching on. But all of what was written in the old book the bible is our guide line to our destinies.[/quote

A very good point loveschild, the bible is our past, but also our present and future.
Good words.
As to other statements.
The old verces new language, I was very interested when someone here pointed out how there was a big difference when it came to thee, thou and thy. Much more is said in those simple words when it comes to the person or persons. Yet, the word even though translated still holds all the power that is in Our Lord God.
Although scripture speaks to not looking back, refuring to living in the past.
Scripture also speaks to that there is nothing new under the sun or moon, that man can add.
All has been given and made known to us. I believe this refurs to when someone comes claiming that they have discovered something new in Gods word.
We need to remember that God Our Father said : I am :, which tells me that time is just the measurement of our time for now. But once all has been fullfilled will no longer matter.
God bless, pickles