1260 Days Literal or Symbolic?

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Do you believe the 1260 days to be literal or symbolic?

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loveme1

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Laodicea said:
Symbolic prophecy with a time period in it should interpret the time period symbolicly. Literal prophecy with no symbols that has a time period should interpret the time period literaly, like the flood was a literal prophecy. Ezekiel 4 is symbolic prophecy.
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I apologize, you already stated Ezekiel 4 is symbolic Prophecy.

The question is did Ezekiel carry out this commandment?

Did he shave his hair and beard and weigh it, burn some, and cast some to the wind etc?

Did he have to lay on his side literally?

And did he eat the cow dung?

Was Ezekiel carrying out these symbolic commandments? Or was he just given a vision of them?

Would he exclaim that he had not defiled himself with unclean food his whole life, he did not think he was literally asked to eat the dung?
 
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Laodicea

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the texts you showed prove the year/day principle in symbolic prophecy.
 
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loveme1

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Laodicea said:
the texts you showed prove the year/day principle in symbolic prophecy.
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No, it shows that Yahvah God asked Ezekiel for carry out this symbolic act, and used a day for each year of iniquity etc...

It also shows that human dung, was replaced with cows dung.

ALmighty Yahvah God did not expect Ezekiel to act this out like for like so used a day to represent a year.



Daniel's visions are understood literally as a Prophetic vision using symbols to represent the evil forces. No symbol is used to explain the number of days his end time vision would last for. It is written in days not years, because it is meant to be understood as days and not years.


Ezekiel 4 is an act by a Prophet against Israel and Judah.

It was not a Prophetic vision like Daniel received.
 
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Laodicea

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I asked you to show me from the Bible not your own opinion. Also Daniel 7 has time, times and the dividing of time. Not a normal way of expressing time.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Laodicea said:
Thank you for answering my question and showing me texts. Those veres are speaking about the little horn who is the Papacy who will be destroyed when Jesus returns.
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I used to think this, I no longer do. I think the papacy is babylon, who is destroyed by the man of sin. I believe it is the man of sin, and his armies outside jerusalem which will be destroyed when jesus returns.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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loveme1 said:
No, it shows that Yahvah God asked Ezekiel for carry out this symbolic act, and used a day for each year of iniquity etc...

It also shows that human dung, was replaced with cows dung.

ALmighty Yahvah God did not expect Ezekiel to act this out like for like so used a day to represent a year.



Daniel's visions are understood literally as a Prophetic vision using symbols to represent the evil forces. No symbol is used to explain the number of days his end time vision would last for. It is written in days not years, because it is meant to be understood as days and not years.


Ezekiel 4 is an act by a Prophet against Israel and Judah.

It was not a Prophetic vision like Daniel received.
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I agree. Ez 4 is a command by God, not a prophesy of things to come. Huge difference.
 
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Laodicea

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[FONT=&quot]The symbolic time periods are always found within the context of apocalyptic passages where symbols predominate. For example, the three and one half times are found in the context of four symbolic beasts, a symbolic sea, symbolic winds, symbolic clouds, symbolic horns, and a symbolic little horn. Similarly, the 1260 days are found in a context where a symbolic woman, clothed with a symbolic sun, stands on a symbolic moon, with 12 symbolic stars on her head. She is persecuted by a symbolic dragon who has seven symbolic heads, ten symbolic horns and who casts a third of the symbolic stars to the earth.[/FONT]
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[/FONT][FONT=&quot]In Revelation 13, the 42 months are found within a context where a symbolic composite beast, with ten symbolic horns, receives its power from a symbolic dragon. It also arises from a symbolic sea and later uses a symbolic image beast to impose a symbolic mark! The same could be said about Daniel 8. There we have a symbolic ram, a symbolic he-goat, and a symbolic little horn. It only stands to reason that if the scenes where these time periods are found in are symbolic, then the time periods must also be symbolic!![/FONT]
 
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loveme1

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Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. 20Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 21But he spake of the temple of his body. 22When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

Yahshua the Messiah used a symbol of a temple for his body, if what you say is true, then he meant three years and not 3 days?

No he said 3 days because he meant 3 days, why not just accept that you can not use Ezekiel 4 to apply the day for a year theory to Daniels visions.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Laodicea said:
[FONT=&quot]The symbolic time periods are always found within the context of apocalyptic passages where symbols predominate. For example, the three and one half times are found in the context of four symbolic beasts, a symbolic sea, symbolic winds, symbolic clouds, symbolic horns, and a symbolic little horn. Similarly, the 1260 days are found in a context where a symbolic woman, clothed with a symbolic sun, stands on a symbolic moon, with 12 symbolic stars on her head. She is persecuted by a symbolic dragon who has seven symbolic heads, ten symbolic horns and who casts a third of the symbolic stars to the earth.[/FONT]
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[/FONT][FONT=&quot]In Revelation 13, the 42 months are found within a context where a symbolic composite beast, with ten symbolic horns, receives its power from a symbolic dragon. It also arises from a symbolic sea and later uses a symbolic image beast to impose a symbolic mark! The same could be said about Daniel 8. There we have a symbolic ram, a symbolic he-goat, and a symbolic little horn. It only stands to reason that if the scenes where these time periods are found in are symbolic, then the time periods must also be symbolic!![/FONT]
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Again I disagree. The symbols used in these prophesies stand for literal things.

We know the woman stands for isreal and his 12 sons.

we know the dragon stand for the ruler of the reformed roman empire or the final Gnetile beast.

there is no need to think the time given that these things will occur should not be taken literally.

All prophesy 9 symbolic or not) which has had a time date attached to it in the past has literally been fulfilled. there is no reason to believe future prophesy will not also be literally fulfilled in the times given
 
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Laodicea

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eternally-gratefull said:
Again I disagree. The symbols used in these prophesies stand for literal things.

We know the woman stands for isreal and his 12 sons.

we know the dragon stand for the ruler of the reformed roman empire or the final Gnetile beast.

there is no need to think the time given that these things will occur should not be taken literally.

All prophesy 9 symbolic or not) which has had a time date attached to it in the past has literally been fulfilled. there is no reason to believe future prophesy will not also be literally fulfilled in the times given
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You do not agree because you are looking at it through the eyes of a futurist. EG you seem like a nice guy so I pray that you be keep an open mind.

Acts 17:11
(11) These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

 
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eternally-gratefull

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Laodicea said:
You do not agree because you are looking at it through the eyes of a futurist. EG you seem like a nice guy so I pray that you be keep an open mind.

Acts 17:11
(11) These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
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If I may, (And you seem like a nice guy also, so I hope you keep an open mind, also thanking you that we can have a civilized discussion)

I believe you are looking at it through the eyes of an ammillenialist, and that is why you do not agree.

Seems we have come to a stalemate?
 
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Laodicea

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I am interested to hear how you see the 42 months in rev 13 and events before and after the 42 months. To me the 42 months have been fulfilled but. I am interested to hear your thoughts.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Laodicea said:
I am interested to hear how you see the 42 months in rev 13 and events before and after the 42 months. To me the 42 months have been fulfilled but. I am interested to hear your thoughts.
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let me look at it and I will get back to you
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Laodicea said:
I am interested to hear how you see the 42 months in rev 13 and events before and after the 42 months. To me the 42 months have been fulfilled but. I am interested to hear your thoughts.
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13: 1- 4.

Speaks of the final beast, or world empire. Has characteristics of the first three. had a mortal wound which had been healed (it suffered a collapse, and basically died, but was restored) Is very powerful, so powerful in fact the world marvels at this nations power, asking who can defeat it?

He is given power for 42 months, The power is given by satan, after he who restrains is taken out of the way.

He starts his blasphemies by blaspheming the temple (the abomination of desolation) in which he continues a great war with Gods people (the woman and her offspring)

His authority is worldwide in scope (every tribe tongue and nation fall under his authority) in fact they worship him. Another dragon (satan) comes and does great signs and wonders. and these perceived miracles cause the world to worship him, probably as messiah.

before 42 months is today, and at some point, a false peace will be brought in as a ruler confirms a covenant with many for one week (7 years)

Looking at today, I believe the collapse of the world financial system will bring in the beast, as when the financial market collapses. it seams as there will be no hope, and some charismatic leader from Europe (the area of the first roman empire) will take this oportunity to promise peace and prosperity, and become a savior to mankind. (I could be worng, but it makes sense especially seeing how today is going, and the obvious birth pangs of the last 50 or so years which is getting worse as prophesied)

After 3 1/2 years of this peacefull time. When the world trusts him, and he has gained enough power to rule the world and have no enemies, and even babylon trusts him, He will destroy babylon, and commit the abomination, declaring himself to be messiah, Satan will enter him, and through signs and wonders of the false prophet, fool the world into believing he is (especially since the false religious system has been destroyed, which held do much power over the world for a many centuries) And this is also the time of Great tribulation, or Gods wrath.

So we have two forces at war like this world has never seen, Satanic forces under the power of the beast empire. And God pouring his wrath on all mankind via the things we see in revelations.

Thus we will see a period of hell on earth like this world has never seen (tribulation)

after 42 months will be the return of our Lord and final destruction of this 4th world empire (rome)

This is a basic draft of what I see
 
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Laodicea

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Thanks for the answer. How do you then explain the 2nd beast of Revelation 13 arising after the 42 months and at the end of the 42 months the first beast receives a deadly wound and the 2nd beast gives power again to the 1st beast after the 42 months have ended?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Laodicea said:
Thanks for the answer. How do you then explain the 2nd beast of Revelation 13 arising after the 42 months and at the end of the 42 months the first beast receives a deadly wound and the 2nd beast gives power again to the 1st beast after the 42 months have ended?
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I don't see it this way.

The first part of revelation 13 explains who he is.

He has characteristics of the first three world empires (babylon, media persia and greece)

He had suffered a mortal wound (he lost his power, this explains the collapse of the roman empire to where it is today, basically dead) And at a future date restored to life. as ten kingdoms combine to make one, the reformed roman empire.

he is said to be given power for 42 months (complete power) The beast had come into view, Gained power, and gained the trust or fear of the world. Then he is given power for 42 months.

The second beast, which gives power to the first. it does not say when this happens. Revelations is not in chronological order. it goes back and forth. This could (I believe is) the second beast rises, Gets his authority from the first, and uses signs and wonders to get people to worship the first. I believe this beast is the false prophet. These things all occur within the 42 months. Not after it.
 
JaumeJ

JaumeJ

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If you do not mind some prayerful common sense. Those who have even a smattering knowledge of the world's history are painfully aware of many seizures of tribulation on this poor old planet, usually geographically restricted until the great wars of the past century. We are to experience the greatest tribulation that has ever been or ever will be, that final tribulation. It seems seven years is an agonizingly long time for this to endure in light of the horrors of the past perpetrated by mankind on himself. I will not "vote" on any point of Yahweh's word; that thought is perverse. It would behoove all to read the words of the Bible prayerfully in the belief of faith, especially when the words are straight forward. Bless Yeshua now and forever, amen.
 
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