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iwant2serve

iwant2serve

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I have seen several posts about Pastors and how they should live according to scriptures. Why don't people talk about how the flock should be to they Pastor. I was reading a post about being obedient to the Pastor and most of every response was negative like lifting himself up, making himself above others, how he needs to be humble and forcing people to tithe.

Not many said anything about how they are to follow a God fearing Pastor, there to assist him in anyway they can, praying for him, laboring with him.

It is time to stop bashing Pastors, Elders and Ministers of the Gospel. So if you respond to this post respond with how the flock should treat their Pastor and Ministers who labor in the Gospel for the flock.
 
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Not gonna work. No one is bashing pastors that are aligned with the word. You want it your way. The single salaried pastor. The bible doesn't back it.
 
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iwant2serve said:
I have seen several posts about Pastors and how they should live according to scriptures. Why don't people talk about how the flock should be to they Pastor. I was reading a post about being obedient to the Pastor and most of every response was negative like lifting himself up, making himself above others, how he needs to be humble and forcing people to tithe.

Not many said anything about how they are to follow a God fearing Pastor, there to assist him in anyway they can, praying for him, laboring with him.

It is time to stop bashing Pastors, Elders and Ministers of the Gospel. So if you respond to this post respond with how the flock should treat their Pastor and Ministers who labor in the Gospel for the flock.
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You are fortunate. Now, you can go back to that thread, and you already have a partial list of people you know not to take too seriously.
 
iwant2serve

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Yet said:
Not gonna work. No one is bashing pastors that are aligned with the word. You want it your way. The single salaried pastor. The bible doesn't back it.
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This is not a post to have anything my way. This is a post to support Ministers who are doing the work of God as true leaders. Seems you try to find something wrong with every ones post that does not support negative things.
 
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Yet doesn't like pastors from what I've seen.
 
iwant2serve

iwant2serve

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Willie-T said:
You are fortunate. Now, you can go back to that thread, and you already have a partial list of people you know not to take too seriously.
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Will, I wanted to make this post in support of Pastors and all other Ministers who do work and live for the kingdom of God. I at least thought people would have good things to say about their own Pastors
 
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iwant2serve said:
I have seen several posts about Pastors and how they should live according to scriptures. Why don't people talk about how the flock should be to they Pastor. I was reading a post about being obedient to the Pastor and most of every response was negative like lifting himself up, making himself above others, how he needs to be humble and forcing people to tithe.

Not many said anything about how they are to follow a God fearing Pastor, there to assist him in anyway they can, praying for him, laboring with him.

It is time to stop bashing Pastors, Elders and Ministers of the Gospel. So if you respond to this post respond with how the flock should treat their Pastor and Ministers who labor in the Gospel for the flock.
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I believe the subject matter in the thread you're referring to is pastors, hence the focus on pastors and not so much the flock. I may be wrong on that, not too sure.
 
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iwant2serve said:
This is not a post to have anything my way. This is a post to support Ministers who are doing the work of God as true leaders. Seems you try to find something wrong with every ones post that does not support negative things.
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Are pauls dictates for the assembly negative things?
 
posthuman

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funny how people can be so authoritative when they speak against people holding positions of authority.
 
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The scriptures give every believer authority and rejects any authority that does not conform to the scriptures. I can have great respect for a minister and reject very sincerely the religious structure that minister is associated with. I have a friend that is an awesome man of God with great power and wisdom...but he understands I reject the structure of the modern church and agrees with me at almost all points when we speak in private.
 
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Yes, so true, so true.
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Oh that's brilliant. 3John John rebukes Diotrephes for 'lording it over the folks'. So he was out of line? Answer please.
 
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iwant2serve said:
Will, I wanted to make this post in support of Pastors and all other Ministers who do work and live for the kingdom of God. I at least thought people would have good things to say about their own Pastors
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When they come off their soap box and stop forcing grandma to cough up the satanic tithe and dispense with the holier than thou title, then and only then will I say good things about them. They are out of God's order and you want me to give them a sloppy kiss with a sacrificial offering.......not gonna happen. I'd be sinning. You don't want me to sin do you?
 
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Jesus set the example for us. A servant washing feet. But today we have men that would be kings. They want to be served, have the choice honored seat, be greeted in the market place by a religious title, have a dedicated following in their name. Take not just from the well to do folks but take from the widow as well, and place their name on the marque out front.

Matt. 10:24. The disciple is not above his Master, nor the servant above his Lord?

When a man pulls a Diotrephes, he is no longer a lowly servant. He has exalted himself not only above the sheep, but above Christ. This, lucifer did in Isaiah 14 lifting himself above the congregation.

This is a division of cleric and laity which is not in the NT. Jesus said 'let there be no divisions among you'. It's not rocket science but might as well be for not many Christians get this.
 
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iwant2serve said:
I have seen several posts about Pastors and how they should live according to scriptures. Why don't people talk about how the flock should be to they Pastor. I was reading a post about being obedient to the Pastor and most of every response was negative like lifting himself up, making himself above others, how he needs to be humble and forcing people to tithe.

Not many said anything about how they are to follow a God fearing Pastor, there to assist him in anyway they can, praying for him, laboring with him.

It is time to stop bashing Pastors, Elders and Ministers of the Gospel. So if you respond to this post respond with how the flock should treat their Pastor and Ministers who labor in the Gospel for the flock.
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most like the good pastors, its the not so good pastors that many have issues with. the ones that over emphasis its members to give money, think of themselves as above the members, or those that are arrogant believing their opinion of the scriptures is the ony interpretation.
a good teacher should teach those to follow the teachings of Jesus, not the pastor.
 
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There are many, many threads knocking pastors etc. But I think you'll find that most of these threads have been created by either or of two people. And Yet, it needs to stop now.
 
Angela53510

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Thank you for this thread.

I am a pastor and I know many pastors, both ones I have sat under their ministry, and know many fellow seminary students who have gone into ministry. My friends are pastors, missionaries and church planters. Their hearts are to preach the gospel and win souls to Christ, and then to disciple them.

They work in many nations around the world. The work in small towns and on Indian reserves. They work in large cities, planting ethnic churches in English speaking cities, and not only are people saved, but then they take the gospel back to their home countries on visits, and more are saved.

Yet is obsessed, because some church would not let him preach in the far distant past.

Not only that but he really doesn't have a Biblical foot to stand on. His posts are basically mixed up exegetically, coloured by his bitterness instead of the truth of God's Word.

We had students in my Seminary who had advanced degrees in engineering and medicine, but left behind lucrative positions to preach the gospel. We had a lot of students who were bivocational, and did not give up their "day" jobs, because they knew their ethnic congregations could not pay them enough to live on. Our convention supported some of them who became church planters. One woman from China, with a Master's degree in engineering, who then got her MDiv, was planting a thriving church every 6 months. Another student, who had been a card carrying member of the communist party in China before he got saved, finished his Ph.D in engineering and came to Seminary and finished two degrees to help him when he left to return to Mainland China to work with youth there.

I don't know what kind of people you think go to Seminary, Yet, but it is not people looking for fame or money, but rather the tools to serve God and their congregations. The professors and other students were the most godly people I have ever had the privilege to work with and learn from.

I am grateful for my pastor, and for all my friends who have given up jobs that make a lot of money to serve God in full time ministry..

Thanks for burying the hatchet, Yet! In my back! I tried very hard not to get involved in your ridiculous rants against me and my fellow pastors. It's too bad you couldn't get down off your high, arrogant and bitter horse and find out the truth about the averge pastor instead, of the absurd things you think are real, when they are the exception, not the rule.
 
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TO GOD OF THE TRUTH AND LOVE ALL BE THE GLORY

:smoke: remember always that the words of god is not for sale . ...
AND DID ANYONE HERE PAID SOMEONE TO TELL HIM HER THEM THE TRUTH
ABOUT YOUR OURS SALVATION?

then if someone would agree to be paid with their teachings in the words of god
WE WILL NEVER EVER FOLLOW THEIR TEACHINGS
FOR ABOVE ALL ELSE FROM
WHICH (WHAT) IS WRITTEN
:read:
2 Corinthians: 9. 7. Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

God bless us all always


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Tintin said:
There are many, many threads knocking pastors etc. But I think you'll find that most of these threads have been created by either or of two people. And Yet, it needs to stop now.
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Show me one instance where I knock biblical pastors. Deceit is in your mouth if you cannot validate your claim against me.
 
posthuman

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i'm blessed, by God, bless God!
the church we meet with bears no resemblance to the accusations against pastors here at all, except that there are a handful of people who wee pay a meager salary to.
yes, there's one main 'pastor' but he's a servant, not a 'lord' - i was thinking of good things to say about him but i hear his voice in my head saying "oh, stop it. don't" - which i guess is a good comment in itself. he doesn't want to be praised by people.
we're not like the churches in Yet's imagination - which, since how long has it been since you set foot in a church, Yet? i assume are mostly in your imagination. yes, there is one man who serves day and night doing whatever is asked of him not just by the congregation but by the community of poor that live nearby and visit us because we have a ministry of feeding and clothing them. that, and missions, feeding and clothing the poor in a few other places around the world, is where the bulk of our giving goes, not to salaries. i don't know what we pay this man exactly, but it's not much, because he also holds another job teaching classes at a local bible college, and his wife works full time.
but he's not our only "pastor" - there are at least 6 or 7 other men, unpaid, who regularly give sermons, none of them paid, and if anyone in the congregation has a message they want to give, they can give it when we're all gathered on sunday. a dozen men or couples lead bible study and worship groups in their homes every week, all unpaid. none of them are 'lords' - all of them are servants. we all preach Christ crucified, and giving freely, and serving others, doing whatever is asked of us as we can, whether they are a 'member' of our church or not. we don't have 'church yard sales' - we give clothes and furniture and things away free twice a year to all the poor around us, and feed them many more times than that regularly, and any time anyone comes to us hungry we don't turn them away.

so i guess on TV there are wolves like Yet so often gripes about. and i suppose there are even in my town plenty like that. but i don't know them - because God has blessed me to place me with a community that tries to live selflessly, representing Christ as servants to the world. yeah, we sit in pews on sunday and usually one man gives a message, and there's that structure to the meeting, more or less, that every westerner is familiar with. but that ain't even half of what we are as a church or what we do as a body. if that offends you, fine. we like to sing praises together and be taught from the word. i don't mind the organization of that meeting. nobody wears suits and ties. if you don't feel free enough or that that structure suits the 'biblical model' well enough -- great!! because sunday night, monday, tuesday, wednesday, thursday and friday we meet in peoples homes all around the city where we all speak and minister to each other, eat, fellowship, and teach and be taught and study the word, and sing and praise the Lord too. and i wish everyone in the congregation would get involved in these "home groups" but they're not - half of them only show up on sunday mornings for that 'formal service' -- which is really quite informal -- and i consider it the church as a whole serving those people
who expect that kind of thing when they come to a church. as they grow in the Lord let them find out how much more it means to be part of the church.

i am our pastors "letter" and "good report" -- not a single pastor, but many men and women who God works through to instruct and build me into His image. if i reflect Christ, then that also reflects their service, which is servanthood, and so reflects Christ Himself, who they serve, and who alone, working through others and through all His ways, instructs and pastors and teaches me.

bless God! He has blessed me, and kept wolves and those who would be 'lords' over a flock far from me!
i wish Yet lived in SC so i could bring him to meet my friends in Christ on wednesday and friday nights; you can skip sunday morning - i know it offends you to sit in a pew :)
 
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