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Hi KohenMatt,
From my beginning, over 40 years ago, the Spirit drew me to end-time events. And it has nothing to do with the "Left Behind" series, but is about scripture and the events leading up to Christ's physical return to the earth to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom. And yes, there is a clear-cut understanding of what will happen, which is why God gave us this information to study. Regarding end-time events, consider what God says to us:
"Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near."
""Look, I am coming soon! Blessed is the one who keeps the words of the prophecy written in this scroll"
"I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll."
The book of Revelation is the detailed account of God's wrath, "the day of the Lord" which he will carry out via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. As you can see from above, this is a book and a subject that God wants us to know about, which is what he announces at the very beginning of the book:
"The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place"
Therefore, this subject and this book, is not something that we should toss aside. I would encourage you to pray about it and to get back into studying this information. And you can still make disciples while doing this.
Blessing in Christ
From my beginning, over 40 years ago, the Spirit drew me to end-time events. And it has nothing to do with the "Left Behind" series, but is about scripture and the events leading up to Christ's physical return to the earth to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom. And yes, there is a clear-cut understanding of what will happen, which is why God gave us this information to study. Regarding end-time events, consider what God says to us:
"Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near."
""Look, I am coming soon! Blessed is the one who keeps the words of the prophecy written in this scroll"
"I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll."
The book of Revelation is the detailed account of God's wrath, "the day of the Lord" which he will carry out via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. As you can see from above, this is a book and a subject that God wants us to know about, which is what he announces at the very beginning of the book:
"The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place"
Therefore, this subject and this book, is not something that we should toss aside. I would encourage you to pray about it and to get back into studying this information. And you can still make disciples while doing this.
Blessing in Christ
Very true Is, which is exactly what a real locust would do demonstrating that these are not your garden variety locusts. The description of these things is amazing, looking like locusts, resembling horses prepared for battle, something like crowns of gold on their heads, teeth like lions, hair like women's, faces resembling human faces and tails and stings like scorpions. Another fact that gives them away as being demonic, is that their kings is the angel of the Abyss, which is that same beast who once was, now is not and yet will up out of the Abyss and in fact does so here are the opening of the Abyss at the 5th trumpet.
My reference to the Left Behind series has nothing to do with end-times stuff in general, just the particular doctrine they put forth.
I disagree that there is a "clear-cut understanding of what will happen". If that were the case, the majority of Christianity is wrong in what will happen because the majority of Christianity has differing views of what will happen. If you believe you have it all figured out, go for it. I won't pretend I do, nor will I readily agree with anyone who does."
I disagree that there is a "clear-cut understanding of what will happen". If that were the case, the majority of Christianity is wrong in what will happen because the majority of Christianity has differing views of what will happen. If you believe you have it all figured out, go for it. I won't pretend I do, nor will I readily agree with anyone who does."
Why would I? They would probably be released in the Middle East. They would certainly not touch me physically. They are symbols of the invisible lol Your problem is that you do not realise that John's 'earth' was a limited area (which did not include America).
But if you had a knowledge of history you would know that some have already happened. Some amazing things have happened through history which tie in with the trumpets.
God's wrath has been on the world from Paul's day on (Rom 1.18). His wrath has been on the Jews since 70 AD and before. History is full of examples of His wrath, and nothing could be worse today. But His final wrath will be a 'one day event' when His wrath is poured out on sinners who are alive at His coming.
Looking at the Middle East today we may well be 'experiencing these things'. You people have hang ups and seem to be longing for something so terrible that it is not possible. Its sad that you are so blinded by lies.
And then you boast of your Scriptural knowledge lol when most of what you teach is unscriptural.
But if you had a knowledge of history you would know that some have already happened. Some amazing things have happened through history which tie in with the trumpets.
God's wrath has been on the world from Paul's day on (Rom 1.18). His wrath has been on the Jews since 70 AD and before. History is full of examples of His wrath, and nothing could be worse today. But His final wrath will be a 'one day event' when His wrath is poured out on sinners who are alive at His coming.
Looking at the Middle East today we may well be 'experiencing these things'. You people have hang ups and seem to be longing for something so terrible that it is not possible. Its sad that you are so blinded by lies.
And then you boast of your Scriptural knowledge lol when most of what you teach is unscriptural.
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I have no clue how you've studied this any amount of time and constantly arrive at the conclusion "a cigar is always a cigar". It's "sometimes". Why are you so adamant against deeper spiritual meaning, as introspection or even just sociological ills? I see important contrasts everywhere in Revelation, references to every other part of scripture and to my own life, the lives of others and the events of everyday life.
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Teachings of men, are any teaching that comes from man and not from God. If you teach something that you learned from the Bible, it is a teaching from you, correct? you are a man, correct? then that teaching is from man, it is a teaching from men. And as i said before, i am not saying a persons teaching can't be the TRUTH? But i plainly teach to not believe the teachings of men but believe the Word of God. Teachings of men, with their own interpretations generally ALWAYS contradicts Scriptures
Are you not now, adding things that are not True to what i claim? Have i claimed a person reading the Word of God can't be taught by the Holy Ghost? i have never said that statement or even implied it in any of my posts. This is your interpretation of something that i have said, and that interpretation is not accurate. Why didn't the Holy Ghost reveal this to you?
If the HOLY Spirit of TRUTH teaches you something in the Word of God, then it is from the HOLY GHOST and not from the person who is reading it. If the Holy Ghost teaches you something, then it is from God and not from the mind of the individual reading it. The Problem is, many THINK they are being taught by the Holy Ghost because they themselves come up with an epiphany from their own intellect, claiming it is the HOLY GHOST. According to the Inspired Holy Word of God, who receives the Holy Ghost?
Act 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
Who receives the Holy Ghost according to Scriptures? Those who obey Jesus, which commands Christians everywhere to LOVE ONE ANOTHER. Many Claim to have the Holy Ghost but do not obey Jesus. Also, many claim to be taught by the Holy Ghost something in Scriptures, but what they teach is contrary to Scriptures. For example there are those who teach satan is bound right now, today, will tell you the Holy Ghost taught them that. But that is contrary to Scriptures, therefore it is NOT the Holy Ghost that taught them that. It is written to try the spirits. HOW then do we try them? Through the Word of God. If there is a word, and that word is contrary to Scriptures, that word is false, no matter what the person claims when giving that word. Any doctrine that is contrary to Scriptures is not a doctrine from God, but is a doctrine from the minds of men, and not from God or the Holy Ghost, Because God nor the Holy Ghost would ever give any word that is contrary to any verse in Scriptures. Therefore anyone, ANYONE who teaches something that is contrary to the Word of God, is not being taught by God nor the Holy Ghost, no matter what they say with their mouths.
i understand. Do you understand that any teaching that is contrary to Scriptures does NOT come from the Holy Ghost?
Someone who reads the Word of God, but is not walking in the light as Jesus did, can be persuaded by satan to believe and understand things that they THINK are True, all the while thinking it is the Holy Ghost revealing to them those truths. Again, how a person tries the spirits is, if what they think is the Truth contradicts any verse in Scriptures then what they believe is true, is a lie, and is not from God, but from satan. satan is the author of confusion, therefore it is in his best interest to cause as much confusion concerning the Word of God as he possibly can, therefore many learn things from the Word of God, and claim it is from the Holy Ghost, but what they say is from the Holy Ghost contradicts verses in the Word of God, therefore can't be from God, no matter how much they think it is from God. God or the Holy Ghost will NEVER teach anything that contradicts any verse in the Word of God, that is how you try the spirits.
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Are you not now, adding things that are not True to what i claim? Have i claimed a person reading the Word of God can't be taught by the Holy Ghost? i have never said that statement or even implied it in any of my posts. This is your interpretation of something that i have said, and that interpretation is not accurate. Why didn't the Holy Ghost reveal this to you?
If the HOLY Spirit of TRUTH teaches you something in the Word of God, then it is from the HOLY GHOST and not from the person who is reading it. If the Holy Ghost teaches you something, then it is from God and not from the mind of the individual reading it. The Problem is, many THINK they are being taught by the Holy Ghost because they themselves come up with an epiphany from their own intellect, claiming it is the HOLY GHOST. According to the Inspired Holy Word of God, who receives the Holy Ghost?
Act 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
Who receives the Holy Ghost according to Scriptures? Those who obey Jesus, which commands Christians everywhere to LOVE ONE ANOTHER. Many Claim to have the Holy Ghost but do not obey Jesus. Also, many claim to be taught by the Holy Ghost something in Scriptures, but what they teach is contrary to Scriptures. For example there are those who teach satan is bound right now, today, will tell you the Holy Ghost taught them that. But that is contrary to Scriptures, therefore it is NOT the Holy Ghost that taught them that. It is written to try the spirits. HOW then do we try them? Through the Word of God. If there is a word, and that word is contrary to Scriptures, that word is false, no matter what the person claims when giving that word. Any doctrine that is contrary to Scriptures is not a doctrine from God, but is a doctrine from the minds of men, and not from God or the Holy Ghost, Because God nor the Holy Ghost would ever give any word that is contrary to any verse in Scriptures. Therefore anyone, ANYONE who teaches something that is contrary to the Word of God, is not being taught by God nor the Holy Ghost, no matter what they say with their mouths.
i understand. Do you understand that any teaching that is contrary to Scriptures does NOT come from the Holy Ghost?
Someone who reads the Word of God, but is not walking in the light as Jesus did, can be persuaded by satan to believe and understand things that they THINK are True, all the while thinking it is the Holy Ghost revealing to them those truths. Again, how a person tries the spirits is, if what they think is the Truth contradicts any verse in Scriptures then what they believe is true, is a lie, and is not from God, but from satan. satan is the author of confusion, therefore it is in his best interest to cause as much confusion concerning the Word of God as he possibly can, therefore many learn things from the Word of God, and claim it is from the Holy Ghost, but what they say is from the Holy Ghost contradicts verses in the Word of God, therefore can't be from God, no matter how much they think it is from God. God or the Holy Ghost will NEVER teach anything that contradicts any verse in the Word of God, that is how you try the spirits.
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Their OWN interpretations. Interpretations belong to God NOT TO MEN.
True, doctrines that came from the minds of men, and not from God.
Closer than people are willing to accept. Love your statement we should be winning the world to Christ before it is too late, because that is True. However not all are called to bring the unsaved to Christ. Even though i have done that, my calling is to get backsliden Christians to quite backsliding and start walking in the light like Jesus did, before it is too late.
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The Church will be present for all 7 Seals, and six Trumpets. The last Trump is when Christ Returns and Raptures the dead in Christ first (Saints) then He will (with the Saints) gather up the living in Christ Saints and we will reside with Him and the Father in the First Heaven, in the New City Jerusalem.
Bringing others into the Kingdom should be done now, because when the Tribulation Period starts, bringing someone into the Kingdom will be next to impossible. For when the wrath of God comes upon the world because of sinning, disobedient children, many who claim to be a part of the Kingdom will fall away. When Tribulation starts, people will not be joining the Kingdom, they will be leaving it.
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Bringing others into the Kingdom should be done now, because when the Tribulation Period starts, bringing someone into the Kingdom will be next to impossible. For when the wrath of God comes upon the world because of sinning, disobedient children, many who claim to be a part of the Kingdom will fall away. When Tribulation starts, people will not be joining the Kingdom, they will be leaving it.
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Amen, and Amen. The few who are Truly in the light, will indeed have to try to be a light to a generation that is so eager to fall away because of the Wrath of God, they did not know the Truth nor accepted the Truth when they hear it, therefore when the wrath of God come upon THEM, it will be up to those who have the TRUTH, have the light in them, to try to help them understand, what they are going through is what they have brought upon themselves, and that they should repent of their sinning. But Scriptures teach they will not repent of their sinning, but God will need those who are in the light to teach this Truth to them, giving them yet another opportunity to repent and cease from their wicked ways, and live a life for Jesus Christ. Oh how much easier it would be for people to repent TODAY, and live a life for Christ NOW. Because to do it then, during the Tribulation period, will next to impossible to do.
Think about it, how will you explain to a man who has just lost his arm and foot, and has boils all over him, that this is the Wrath of God come upon him because of his continual sinning, which he never ceased from, how will you explain to him to repent of his sinning and cease from them and start living a life for Jesus Christ? How will you explain to him, that Scriptures teaches if you sow to the flesh of that flesh you shall reap corruption, and now during the wrath of God corruption in the flesh is being fulfilled? Will he readily come to the Lord Jesus then? People need to start living right TODAY, because when His wrath comes upon the disobedient, it is not very likely they will start walking right then, they will not repent, they will not be like JOB, they will fall away from the Faith, believing the man on TV which is saying "Where is your God now" even though the destruction God said would come to the Earth, and the Bible foretells it to be so. They will fall away because they will be suffering in their flesh, because God does not lie, and the Word of God is True, if you sow to the flesh, you shall reap corruption of the flesh, that is the TRUTH, that is a fact, that is going to happen. Accept it, repent of it, cease to do it ever again. True Repentance in given to those who Truly repent. Those who Truly Repent are those who cease to do the very thing they are repenting of.
During the Tribulation Period there will be very little light in the world.
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Think about it, how will you explain to a man who has just lost his arm and foot, and has boils all over him, that this is the Wrath of God come upon him because of his continual sinning, which he never ceased from, how will you explain to him to repent of his sinning and cease from them and start living a life for Jesus Christ? How will you explain to him, that Scriptures teaches if you sow to the flesh of that flesh you shall reap corruption, and now during the wrath of God corruption in the flesh is being fulfilled? Will he readily come to the Lord Jesus then? People need to start living right TODAY, because when His wrath comes upon the disobedient, it is not very likely they will start walking right then, they will not repent, they will not be like JOB, they will fall away from the Faith, believing the man on TV which is saying "Where is your God now" even though the destruction God said would come to the Earth, and the Bible foretells it to be so. They will fall away because they will be suffering in their flesh, because God does not lie, and the Word of God is True, if you sow to the flesh, you shall reap corruption of the flesh, that is the TRUTH, that is a fact, that is going to happen. Accept it, repent of it, cease to do it ever again. True Repentance in given to those who Truly repent. Those who Truly Repent are those who cease to do the very thing they are repenting of.
During the Tribulation Period there will be very little light in the world.
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You should always do what God prompts you to do. For example not all are called to talk about or discuss end-time events. And when the Holy Ghost prompts you not to sin when you are tempted to commit sin, you should obey the Holy Ghost as well.
It is good that you know and understand this, and there is wisdom in what you say. However just because you do not know and understand what will happen, does not mean, that God's does not reveal to people what will happen. God reveals to whom God reveals.
What you should be concerned with first and foremost, is your own walk. If you are not walking right, how then can you make Disciples of others. First and Foremost be concerned with what Jesus Christ commanded all Christians to do. LOVE ONE ANOTHER. Do that first, then be concerned about making Disciples.
Again, first and foremost, get right with God NOW, so that you may be able to better help others.
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It is good that you know and understand this, and there is wisdom in what you say. However just because you do not know and understand what will happen, does not mean, that God's does not reveal to people what will happen. God reveals to whom God reveals.
What you should be concerned with first and foremost, is your own walk. If you are not walking right, how then can you make Disciples of others. First and Foremost be concerned with what Jesus Christ commanded all Christians to do. LOVE ONE ANOTHER. Do that first, then be concerned about making Disciples.
Again, first and foremost, get right with God NOW, so that you may be able to better help others.
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If everyone had the Truth, then satan would be out of a job. There is only ONE Truth. But satan is the author of confusion, and it is his goal to cause that ONE Truth to be corrupted and not known. satan causes the majority of Christians to believe false doctrines so as to lead them away from the Truth. And you are correct, the majority of Christians have got it wrong. because the majority of Christians believes doctrines that contradict the Word of God. They ADD their own interpretations to the Word of God, thereby corrupting it.
Don't it seem strange to you, that Revelations pops up so many times, and somehow you manage to not have to? Strange indeed. Seems to me, if God did not want you to study Revelation, it would not be popping up as much as you say it does.
Yet Scriptures teach to study to show thyself approved. you said So then you are in a position to give counsel to others, but have no knowledge concerning the counsel they seek. If then people are coming to you asking you questions about Revelations, it would seem that God would want you to be able to somewhat give them an answer. In the past before the TRUTH about Revelations was given to me by God, i studied Revelation extensively, and when people came to me seeking counsel about end-times, i told them the several beliefs that were being taught. For example, if someone came to me asking about the Rapture and when is it suppose to happen, i would tell them "Well there is two schools of thought concerning that topic" then tell them about the verses that taught pre-trib, and then show them the verses that supported post-trib. And during that time, i would plainly tell them that i knew not which. You in a like manner could do the same, if you are in a position to give counseling to others, then it should behoove you to know the answers, or to teach them several of the schools of thought that is currently present today and let them decide which to believe. So then if someone came to you seeking understanding concerning something in Revelation, and you pray about it, do you give them an answer?
i have not got it figured out completely, but what i do know is what God told me, and He has got it figured out completely. God reveals to whom He will reveal. Is it not written:
Dan_2:28 But there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets, and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days. Thy dream, and the visions of thy head upon thy bed, are these;
Dan_2:22 He revealeth the deep and secret things: he knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him.
Amo_3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
So Scriptures PLAINLY and CLEARLY teach that God does in fact reveal secrets to His Prophets. It is not God's fault that this last days generation do not believe Prophets exist today. Even though Scriptures PLAINLY TEACH that they will exist in the last days.
Joe_2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
Act_2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Act_2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
Rev_11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
To bad this generation don't believe they exist, for how will they believe them when God chooses them in the last days? They will not believe them, because they believe they don't exist.
What men say and teach is almost always wrong, What God says and teaches is ALWAYS RIGHT. What i say can be wrong, What God told me concerning what is to come and what is going to happen is RIGHT, is TRUTH.
And what will it take for you to know that it is time for you to study it? Seriously just asking.
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Don't it seem strange to you, that Revelations pops up so many times, and somehow you manage to not have to? Strange indeed. Seems to me, if God did not want you to study Revelation, it would not be popping up as much as you say it does.
Yet Scriptures teach to study to show thyself approved. you said So then you are in a position to give counsel to others, but have no knowledge concerning the counsel they seek. If then people are coming to you asking you questions about Revelations, it would seem that God would want you to be able to somewhat give them an answer. In the past before the TRUTH about Revelations was given to me by God, i studied Revelation extensively, and when people came to me seeking counsel about end-times, i told them the several beliefs that were being taught. For example, if someone came to me asking about the Rapture and when is it suppose to happen, i would tell them "Well there is two schools of thought concerning that topic" then tell them about the verses that taught pre-trib, and then show them the verses that supported post-trib. And during that time, i would plainly tell them that i knew not which. You in a like manner could do the same, if you are in a position to give counseling to others, then it should behoove you to know the answers, or to teach them several of the schools of thought that is currently present today and let them decide which to believe. So then if someone came to you seeking understanding concerning something in Revelation, and you pray about it, do you give them an answer?
i have not got it figured out completely, but what i do know is what God told me, and He has got it figured out completely. God reveals to whom He will reveal. Is it not written:
Dan_2:28 But there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets, and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days. Thy dream, and the visions of thy head upon thy bed, are these;
Dan_2:22 He revealeth the deep and secret things: he knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him.
Amo_3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
So Scriptures PLAINLY and CLEARLY teach that God does in fact reveal secrets to His Prophets. It is not God's fault that this last days generation do not believe Prophets exist today. Even though Scriptures PLAINLY TEACH that they will exist in the last days.
Joe_2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
Act_2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Act_2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
Rev_11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
To bad this generation don't believe they exist, for how will they believe them when God chooses them in the last days? They will not believe them, because they believe they don't exist.
What men say and teach is almost always wrong, What God says and teaches is ALWAYS RIGHT. What i say can be wrong, What God told me concerning what is to come and what is going to happen is RIGHT, is TRUTH.
And what will it take for you to know that it is time for you to study it? Seriously just asking.
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The two of you who most display your view show, arrogance, rudeness and pride.
people full of those traits will not understand much truth, though they will convince themselves otherwise
if you can't answer them, insult them lol
Well as I said, I have been studying eschatology for over 40 years and I live in the book of Revelation. I meant no disrespect. When you begin your studies in Revelation and end-time events, may God reveal them to you and bless you in them.
Proof what James57 said above is indeed True.
The Church will be present for all 7 Seals, and six Trumpets. The last Trump is when Christ Returns and Raptures the dead in Christ first (Saints) then He will (with the Saints) gather up the living in Christ Saints and we will reside with Him and the Father in the First Heaven, in the New City Jerusalem.
Bringing others into the Kingdom should be done now, because when the Tribulation Period starts, bringing someone into the Kingdom will be next to impossible. For when the wrath of God comes upon the world because of sinning, disobedient children, many who claim to be a part of the Kingdom will fall away. When Tribulation starts, people will not be joining the Kingdom, they will be leaving it.
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Bringing others into the Kingdom should be done now, because when the Tribulation Period starts, bringing someone into the Kingdom will be next to impossible. For when the wrath of God comes upon the world because of sinning, disobedient children, many who claim to be a part of the Kingdom will fall away. When Tribulation starts, people will not be joining the Kingdom, they will be leaving it.
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It is a common assumption that because there are seven trumpet judgments, that the seventh trumpet is that "Last Trump" spoken of when the resurrection and catching away takes place. But the fact is that, this claim is based solely on the use of the word "trumpet." Below are the reasons why the "seventh trumpet" is not synonymous with the "Last Trump."
* After the sounding of the seventh trumpet, there is no mention in the scripture of either the resurrection or the catching away
* The Resurrection and catching away is a blessing, while the trumpets are plagues of God's wrath
* The seventh trumpet is one of the worst of God's wrath, as it is referred to as one of the three Woes.
* The church is never mentioned again from Revelation 4 onward, but only the great tribulation saints are referred to
* The church will not be here to experience any of the wrath of God, which is made up of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, for we are not appointed to suffer God's wrath.
In conclusion, the claim that the seventh trumpet judgment is synonymous with the "last trump" is based solely on the fact that it is the last of seven trumpets. Yet, after the sounding of the seventh trumpet, there is nothing in the scripture itself that mentions anything about the resurrection and catching away nor even hints of it. The seventh trumpet is exactly that, the last trumpet of a set of seven trumpet judgments and is not related to the "last trump" of 1 Cor.15:52 and 1 Thes.4:16, which must be a different trumpet.