Is the Devil bound right now...?

[valiant]

Hand this man over to satan so that the sinful nature may be destroyed and his spirit saved on the day of the lord 1cor5:5

Do you really think that Paul wanted the man to be literally handed over to Satan? How pathetic. It was simply a request for his excommunication into the pagan world where evil spirits abounded

 

[valiant]

Hmmmmm

And that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil who has taken them captive to do his will
2tim2:26

if you think that people could escape from the trap of the Devil if he was really personally active in the matter and had really taken them captive, you have a strange idea of the power of the Devil. This is a clear indication that he is bound and unable to operate to his fullest extent. The point is that they had been trapped by his deceitful minions who were seeking to keep them from coming to their senses.

 

[ukok102nak]

:smoke: it is literally says in that verse for it is speaking about
how once a true christian becomes possessed by evil things
and he/she cannot escaped from the bounding of that evil entities withen them
thats why to
Hand this man over to satan so that the sinful nature may be destroyed and his spirit saved on the day of the lord 1cor5:5

:rofl: DONT JUST READ BUT TRY TO UNDERSTAND
WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND SOUL
WHAT THE SCRIPTURES SAY . ...

have you ever heard
emily rose my brother . . ..

God bless us all always


:ty:

 

[ukok102nak]

:smoke: it is literally says in that verse for it is speaking about
how once a true christian becomes possessed by evil things
and he/she cannot escaped from the bounding of that evil entities withen them
thats why to
Hand this man over to satan so that the sinful nature may be destroyed and his spirit saved on the day of the lord 1cor5:5

:rofl: DONT JUST READ BUT TRY TO UNDERSTAND
WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND SOUL
WHAT THE SCRIPTURES SAY . ...
:read:
Mark 9:28
And, having entered into a bais, his talmidim began questioning Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach privately, "Why were we not able to perform the gerush shedim (exorcism)?"
Mark 9:29
And Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach said to them, "This kind of gerush shedim is accomplished only by davening tefillos." REBBE, MELECH HAMOSHIACH'S SECOND NEVU'AH OF HIS SUFFERING AND THE KAVOD TO FOLLOW (MT 17:22-23; MK 9:30-32; LK 9:43-45)

have you ever heard
emily rose my brother . . ..

God bless us all always


:ty:

 

[james57]

Do you really think that Paul wanted the man to be literally handed over to Satan? How pathetic. It was simply a request for his excommunication into the pagan world where evil spirits abounded

The two of you who most display your view show, arrogance, rudeness and pride.
people full of those traits will not understand much truth, though they will convince themselves otherwise

 

[valiant]

The two of you who most display your view show, arrogance, rudeness and pride.
people full of those traits will not understand much truth, though they will convince themselves otherwise

if you can't answer them, insult them lol

 

[ukok102nak]

:rofl: i second emotion (hope he forgives me)

 

[DiscipleDave]

Hi James,

These are all good contending verses showing that Satan is not bound, unfortunately, the Amil's have and will circumvent and distort all scripture showing that Satan was bound at the crucifixion, but passively. They ignore that the scripture is clear in that Satan is bound after the physical, visual return of Christ to the earth as demonstrated in chapter 19:11-21, which hasn't happened yet and that it is in the real location of the Abyss which is under the earth that Satan is literally bound, as well as the ignoring of the thousand years as being literal. Unfortunately, they will provide a distorted answer for everything that you can provide as proof.

You have to remember that with Amillennialism, you are dealing with a teaching that has a prepackaged interpretation for most of the Biblical topics, especially end-time events. So when that topic comes up, they just apply that prepackaged answer and ignore the details of the context and anything that you will produce as a contention against it. It's a form of brainwashing.

"We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one." (1 John 5:19)

Anyone who teaches something that is contrary to even one verse in Scriptures is a false teacher. Anyone who teaches satan is bound right now, is a false teacher, NOT because i say they are a false teacher but because that teaching contradicts some verses in Scriptures, therefore can't be TRUE, as these teach, they are false teachers who think they know the Truth, Blind teaching the blind and they will fall into the ditch. And the worse thing about it, is when they are presented with the Word of God that plainly and clearly shows them that what they are teaching is false, but outright reject the Scriptures to hold on to their OWN Beliefs. Not willing to change their belief to line up with Scriptures, no not them, they would much rather change (interpret) Scriptures to line up with their own beliefs. Do not listen to anyone who teaches things that are contrary to plain Scriptures, they will not escape His wrath.

^i^

 

[DiscipleDave]

If I used my head to understand the spiritual I am sure I would come up with many weird and strange doctrines, such as others do who rely on the natural mind( head) to learn of the spiritual

i agree, Spiritual knowledge comes from (God, Holy Ghost, Angels, Visions, Dreams, Prophets, etc..) Other knowledge comes from the minds of men and what they themselves understand to be the TRUTH. Like the teaching that says satan is bound right now, comes from the mind of men, not from God. God would NEVER teach somebody something that contradicts His own WORD. Therefore ANY knowledge that contradicts the Word of God does not come from God, but indeed comes from the mind of men and what they interpret through their own understanding.

One simple Truth would help anyone to come to the knowledge of the Truth, And this is what God said "If what you believe contradicts even one verse in Scriptures then what you believe is WRONG" OH, only if this generation would listen to what God told me. But will they? Not likely, why would they? They already think they know the TRUTH, and will not be convinced otherwise, even if what they think is the TRUTH contradicts Scriptures, cursed children, unable to come to the TRUTH, because they have reprobate minds, unteachable spirits.

^i^

 

[DiscipleDave]

true, it says that Satan was bound by Jesus during His ministry (Matth 12.28-29), and that his power was broken at the cross (Heb 2.14). Let Scripture speak for itself..

lol, YOU interpret those verses to mean what you say above, the verses DON'T say that. YOUR interpretation teaches that, and that interpretation contradicts other Scriptures which teach satan is not bound right now. So YOUR interpretations are WRONG, not because i say they are wrong, but because what you say contradicts the Word of God, and therefore Can't be correct. But the TRUTH is not for those who are not willing to receive it when they hear it, the sheep know their masters voice. YOU believe and teach things that are contrary to the Word of God, which reveals what voice you hear. But there is hope for you yet, For God's Mercy and Grace is far extending, and since you still breathe there is hope for you. Believe Scriptures not your own interpretations, not what men teach you. And remember MEN SHOULD NOT INTERPRET THE WORD OF GOD, because interpretation belong to GOD ONLY.

Gen_40:8 And they said unto him, We have dreamed a dream, and there is no interpreter of it. And Joseph said unto them, Do not interpretations belong to God? tell me them, I pray you.

Gen 41:15 And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, I have dreamed a dream, and there is none that can interpret it: and I have heard say of thee, that thou canst understand a dream to interpret it. :16 And Joseph answered Pharaoh, saying, It is not in me: God shall give Pharaoh an answer of peace. So the interpretations did NOT come from the mind of Joseph, but the interpretations came from God, NOT JOSEPH.

2Pe_1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private (personal) interpretation.

Interpretations DO NOT belong to men. It is not in man to interpret the Word of God, and WOE to them who try to do so. God interprets the Word of God, men should merely read and study it, NOT ADD their own interpretations to the Word of God, as if it were in man to do so. Woe to man who interprets the Word of God through their own intellect, and a greater WOE to them who teach others their interpretations, they will not escape the Wrath of God when it comes upon the disobedient children. Interpretations belong to God NOT TO MEN. Woe to men who interpret the Word of God, then teach others their own interpretations which did NOT come from God. These think they know something, and know not the TRUTH at all, if they would have known the TRUTH, they would have known NOT to interpret the Word of God, because the TRUTH teaches that interpretations belong to God NOT TO MEN. But these know not the TRUTH, therefore they go about to interpret the Word of God as they see fit, to fit their own doctrines, devoid of the TRUTH they are, neither will they come to the TRUTH when it is presented to them, lost sheep, who desire not to be found, listening only to those who believe the same doctrines they do. Sad, so sad indeed. ever learning but never coming to the TRUTH.

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[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by james57

The two of you who most display your view show, arrogance, rudeness and pride.
people full of those traits will not understand much truth, though they will convince themselves otherwise

if you can't answer them, insult them lol

And it is not surprising that you would call the TRUTH an insult. i do not believe he was trying to insult you, but what he said is the TRUTH, which part of what he said do you think was an insult to YOU?

He said

The two of you who most display your view show, arrogance, rudeness and pride.

i believe this is TRUE, because i have seen this done to him by you, and i myself have felt this from you as well.

He said

people full of those traits will not understand much truth, though they will convince themselves otherwise

This is also very true statement which you prove is accurate, because you ARE convinced otherwise. Instead of accepting the TRUTH, that maybe you are a little bit arrogant, show rudeness sometimes, and have Pride, You have indeed convinced yourself otherwise saying it is an insult. Which confirms the TRUTH which he said.

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[DiscipleDave]

Something Valiant said to another poster.

Originally Posted by Ahwatukee

Well as I said, I have been studying eschatology for over 40 years and I live in the book of Revelation. I meant no disrespect. When you begin your studies in Revelation and end-time events, may God reveal them to you and bless you in them.

Originally Posted by valiant

LOL that explains a lot. An admitted Revelation freak. You are besotted with horror. Besides your 40 years haven't done you much good. Your misinterpretation of Revelation is dire.

Proving that what is said in previous post 1891 is TRUE.

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[wolfwint]

true, it says that Satan was bound by Jesus during His ministry (Matth 12.28-29), and that his power was broken at the cross (Heb 2.14). Let Scripture speak for itself..

Sorry valiant, this is still your interpretation. These scriptures saying nothing about Satan is bound yet. I find it also not christianlike how you treat christians with an other way of understanding of the scripture. This reminds me to evelution defenders which are attacking people personly who believe in creation, because they cant argue with facts. I dont know which hermeneutic rules and exegetic tools you follow to come to such an view that the Satan is bound now. That he has maby a limitet power till the time of tribulation means not that he is bound, what Rev 20,1-3 said and what is in future according our hermeneutic and exegetic tools. And because we are using different hermeneutic tools, we can feed this thread till the Lord will take us at the day of rapture.

 

[biblicalsandy]

So if Jesus bound the devil, and it says

[h=3]Satan Bound 1,000 Years[/h]20 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.

Released for a little while? Wonder how long a little while is in today's time?

7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where[b] the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Curious?

 

[Bowman]

Anyone who teaches something that is contrary to even one verse in Scriptures is a false teacher. Anyone who teaches satan is bound right now, is a false teacher, NOT because i say they are a false teacher but because that teaching contradicts some verses in Scriptures, therefore can't be TRUE, as these teach, they are false teachers who think they know the Truth, Blind teaching the blind and they will fall into the ditch. And the worse thing about it, is when they are presented with the Word of God that plainly and clearly shows them that what they are teaching is false, but outright reject the Scriptures to hold on to their OWN Beliefs. Not willing to change their belief to line up with Scriptures, no not them, they would much rather change (interpret) Scriptures to line up with their own beliefs. Do not listen to anyone who teaches things that are contrary to plain Scriptures, they will not escape His wrath.

^i^

Since you are a self-proclaimed 'prophet' of God, your desperation comments mean nothing to those of us who know scripture.

That Satan was bound at The Cross is scriptural fact, as I have exegetically detailed throughout this entire thread.

If you really were a prophet of God, then you would have been able to scripturally defend your assertion to the contrary...or, better yet, you probably are writing your OWN version of scriptures since you feel that you have justification for doing so.

You are a laughable fool...

 

[Bowman]

So if Jesus bound the devil, and it says

Satan Bound 1,000 Years

20 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.

Released for a little while? Wonder how long a little while is in today's time?

7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where[b] the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Curious?

This is where the 'literalist' takes it on the chin.

If a person takes the 1,000 years' binding as a literal time event, then, for consistency, they must also take the release time period as literal, as well, as thus...

And the beast which was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goes to perdition. And the ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but will receive authority as kings one hour (mian hōran) with the beast. These have one mind, and their power and authority they shall give up to the beast. These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings, and the ones with Him are the called and elect and faithful ones.(Rev 17.11 – 14)

So the release period of Satan is for 1 hour?!

60 minutes?!!

That's it!!!


We can see how silly that interpretation is...

 

[biblicalsandy]

This is where the 'literalist' takes it on the chin.

If a person takes the 1,000 years' binding as a literal time event, then, for consistency, they must also take the release time period as literal, as well, as thus...

And the beast which was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goes to perdition. And the ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but will receive authority as kings one hour (mian hōran) with the beast. These have one mind, and their power and authority they shall give up to the beast. These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings, and the ones with Him are the called and elect and faithful ones.(Rev 17.11 – 14)

So the release period of Satan is for 1 hour?!

60 minutes?!!

That's it!!!


We can see how silly that interpretation is...

When I read that, I see that the ten kings will have authority for 1 hour with the beast...but I wonder if it just refers to just showing how long the ten kings will have, and not just the beast (Not saying anyone is wrong, I just like checking out what is said) I will have to check more into this..Thank you

 

[valiant]

Sorry valiant, this is still your interpretation. These scriptures saying nothing about Satan is bound yet. I find it also not christianlike how you treat christians with an other way of understanding of the scripture. This reminds me to evelution defenders which are attacking people personly who believe in creation, because they cant argue with facts. I dont know which hermeneutic rules and exegetic tools you follow to come to such an view that the Satan is bound now. That he has maby a limitet power till the time of tribulation means not that he is bound, what Rev 20,1-3 said and what is in future according our hermeneutic and exegetic tools. And because we are using different hermeneutic tools, we can feed this thread till the Lord will take us at the day of rapture.

Mat 12:28
But if I by the Spirit of God cast out devils, then is the kingdom of God come upon you.
Mat 12:29
Or how can one enter into the house of the strong man, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.

Jesus point here was that the Kingly Rule of God had come by the Spirit and therefore devils were being overthrown. Then He illustrated this in terms of the Strong Man being bound and the spoiling of the Strong Man's house. He was spoiling Satan's house. The strong man is clearly Satan. Indeed He confirms this later when He said. 'I beheld Satan as lightning fall from Heaven' in the context of casting out evil spirits.

Comparison with the parallel passages in Mark and Luke confirm this interpretation..

 

[valiant]

Originally Posted by wolfwint

Sorry valiant, this is still your interpretation. These scriptures saying nothing about Satan is bound yet. I dont know which hermeneutic rules and exegetic tools you follow to come to such an view that the Satan is bound now. That he has maby a limitet power till the time of tribulation means not that he is bound, what Rev 20,1-3 said and what is in future according our hermeneutic and exegetic tools. And because we are using different hermeneutic tools, we can feed this thread till the Lord will take us at the day of rapture.

Mat 12:28
But if I by the Spirit of God cast out devils, then is the kingdom of God come upon you.
Mat 12:29
Or how can one enter into the house of the strong man, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.

Jesus point here was that the Kingly Rule of God had come by the Spirit and therefore devils were being overthrown. Then He illustrated this in terms of the Strong Man being bound and the spoiling of the Strong Man's house. He was spoiling Satan's house. The strong man is clearly Satan. Indeed He confirms this later when He said. 'I beheld Satan as lightning fall from Heaven' in the context of casting out evil spirits.

Comparison with the parallel passages in Mark and Luke confirm this interpretation..

Mar 3:22
And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and, By the prince of the devils casteth he out the devils.
Mar 3:23
And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan?
Mar 3:24
And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.
Mar 3:25
And if a house be divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand.
Mar 3:26
And if Satan hath risen up against himself, and is divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.
Mar 3:27
But no one can enter into the house of the strong man, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.
Anyone who denies that Satan here is the strong man cannot be treated seriously and it makes clear that Jesus bound him. They are Jesus' words, not mine.

As 2 Thess 2 makes clear, Satan is under restraint, until the Restrainer (the restraining angel) is taken out of the way. To refer this restrainer to the Holy Spirit is gross misinterpretation and cannot be taken seriously. The Holy Spirit is NEVER taken out of the way, except by mindless interpretation.

How many more examples of his restraint do you need? All you do is stress verses which are clearly figurative..

 

[valiant]

Anyone who teaches something that is contrary to even one verse in Scriptures is a false teacher.

I always knew you were a false teacher and a false prophet You condemn yourself.

Anyone who teaches satan is bound right now, is a false teacher,

I guess that makes Jesus a false teacher.

Mar 3:22
And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and, By the prince of the devils casteth he out the devils.
Mar 3:23
And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan?
Mar 3:24
And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.
Mar 3:25
And if a house be divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand.
Mar 3:26
And if Satan hath risen up against himself, and is divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.
Mar 3:27
But no one can enter into the house of the strong man, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.

NOT because i say they are a false teacher but because that teaching contradicts some verses in Scriptures,

you mean you twist other Scriptures in order to try to establish your position? Satan was bound from the beginning of the ministry of Jesus, and he has never been released. He will be released for a short period as in Rev 9.11; 20.3 once the 'thousand years' (undetermined long period of time) of this age is over..

.

And the worse thing about it, is when they are presented with the Word of God that plainly and clearly shows them that what they are teaching is false, but outright reject the Scriptures to hold on to their OWN Beliefs.

lol you mean all should bow down to prophet Dave? All I believe is established on Scripture, and it disagrees with you. It is YOU who falsify Scripture.