When did Christ save you?
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Now, when were you legally saved?
Romans 5:18 "So then as through one transgression (Adam's sin) there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness (Christ's doing & dying) there resulted (about 2000 years ago) justification of life to all men."
"In Christ" all mankind has been justified unto eternal life. That's God's finished work "in Christ Jesus". If you think that you can add to that, either by faith or works, then it's not God's finished work. That means you must add to what He has done and that is heresy.
Your faith is not what saves you. Christ saved you about 2000 years ago. Faith is accepting what He has already done. Faith is not the Savior, but rather it's a tool whereby the righteousness of Christ is received.
Romans 5:18 "So then as through one transgression (Adam's sin) there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness (Christ's doing & dying) there resulted (about 2000 years ago) justification of life to all men."
"In Christ" all mankind has been justified unto eternal life. That's God's finished work "in Christ Jesus". If you think that you can add to that, either by faith or works, then it's not God's finished work. That means you must add to what He has done and that is heresy.
Your faith is not what saves you. Christ saved you about 2000 years ago. Faith is accepting what He has already done. Faith is not the Savior, but rather it's a tool whereby the righteousness of Christ is received.
again you are mixing up salvation and justification. Justification is an initial aspect of salvation. But salvation goes much further.
Christ did not save me 2000 years ago. He saved me 68 years ago. what He did 2000 years ago was make a way of salvation open for me so that I could come to Him and be saved.
Furthermore it is untrue to say that all men are 'in Christ' . That is in fact what they are NOT. Justification to life was available IF they became in Christ.
Christ did not save me 2000 years ago. He saved me 68 years ago. what He did 2000 years ago was make a way of salvation open for me so that I could come to Him and be saved.
Furthermore it is untrue to say that all men are 'in Christ' . That is in fact what they are NOT. Justification to life was available IF they became in Christ.
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Proof?
Turn to Romans 3:9
What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; 10As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one....verse 19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world (the human race) may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin
Both Jew and Gentile stand guilty before God's law of sin, period. If you are an unbeliever, be it Jew or Gentile, and you reject Christ you are still under law. To be under law means death.
Turn to Romans 3:9
What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; 10As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one....verse 19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world (the human race) may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin
Both Jew and Gentile stand guilty before God's law of sin, period. If you are an unbeliever, be it Jew or Gentile, and you reject Christ you are still under law. To be under law means death.
For Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us;25 nor was it that He would offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the holy place year by year with blood that is not his own.26 Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. [Heb 9:24-26]
Christ died once. "When One died, all died" (2 Cor 5:14). Your old life from Adam died in Christ once about 2000 years ago. If you were saved 68 years ago, from under law, then Christ had to die again and again.
This is what the Papacy teaches through the mass. You Catholic?
Christ died once. "When One died, all died" (2 Cor 5:14). Your old life from Adam died in Christ once about 2000 years ago. If you were saved 68 years ago, from under law, then Christ had to die again and again.
This is what the Papacy teaches through the mass. You Catholic?
I "think", I feel, Jesus' sacrifice was intended for the salvation of all people. I understand the further interpretation "was made available" and I understand the further interpretation "born again" and "difference between redemption and salvation". I honestly say I take these additional interpretations as "artificial constraints" or "self-righteous qualifications" attributed to Jesus' gift in sacrifice. This is paramount to denying His divinity.
"Accepting Jesus" in any context is saying exactly "do not deny Jesus' divinity", as that is the spirit of antichrist, that is how one opts from the chosen. Once one can understand the words and concepts, once one can understand "who Jesus is" and "what Jesus did" and "for what purpose", an understanding God can see in your heart, then you have a choice. The proper choice at this juncture is to "not deny Christ". There is no middle ground of "undecided" because that is "denying". Until this point, because Jesus' real intent is to save those who cannot save themselves, the gift is for all.
Obviously this won't work well in the minds of those who want to control people, control salvation, and indeed have some control of Jesus, as if their salvation is the most important aspect in all of this, and because they believe as they do, they're some members of some exclusive club. This is all not only sorrow, but shameful. If you have Jesus, you should share Jesus. You should want Jesus for all people, not hoard Jesus to yourself, thinking everything's going to be alright by virtue of your cognition, your choice, which is an action, a work.
"Accepting Jesus" in any context is saying exactly "do not deny Jesus' divinity", as that is the spirit of antichrist, that is how one opts from the chosen. Once one can understand the words and concepts, once one can understand "who Jesus is" and "what Jesus did" and "for what purpose", an understanding God can see in your heart, then you have a choice. The proper choice at this juncture is to "not deny Christ". There is no middle ground of "undecided" because that is "denying". Until this point, because Jesus' real intent is to save those who cannot save themselves, the gift is for all.
Obviously this won't work well in the minds of those who want to control people, control salvation, and indeed have some control of Jesus, as if their salvation is the most important aspect in all of this, and because they believe as they do, they're some members of some exclusive club. This is all not only sorrow, but shameful. If you have Jesus, you should share Jesus. You should want Jesus for all people, not hoard Jesus to yourself, thinking everything's going to be alright by virtue of your cognition, your choice, which is an action, a work.
Do not believe Jesus when He said, "You must be born again."? I have put this question to you multiple times. When it seemed you finally answered in the negative, you then accused me of misrepresentation when I thanked you for clarifying. Yet here you are once again, seeming to deny that one must be born again of the Spirit, and attributing heinous motives to those who believe what is clearly written in Scripture.
We were saved before the foundation of the world!
Revelation 13:8 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Ephesians 1:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love
When we heard the gospel and received Christ...that's when the manifestation of what already was done came into my life to me.
Revelation 13:8 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Ephesians 1:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love
When we heard the gospel and received Christ...that's when the manifestation of what already was done came into my life to me.
I gave you the answer, saying I didn't answer is a lie, and you do intentionally misrepresent me. I have no clue what your motive is, maybe you're just ill. I can't help that in you right now, because my debates with you only seem to make the manifestation worse.
Look, because I'm not going to expect you to go look it up, I said, "I believe Jesus said born again to Nicodemus" and further, "Jesus' sacrifice was after Jesus' conversation with Nicodemus". Now maybe you read those words and passed right over them, because you didn't understand how it is applicable or because you are severely limited. None of that is something I can fix, and believe me, I would if I could, because my patience, as I said before, is wearing thin with your intentional spin of my words. Can you please, please play your games somewhere else and leave me be? Or if you want to genuinely communicate, stop with the games? Are you capable of this?
Look, because I'm not going to expect you to go look it up, I said, "I believe Jesus said born again to Nicodemus" and further, "Jesus' sacrifice was after Jesus' conversation with Nicodemus". Now maybe you read those words and passed right over them, because you didn't understand how it is applicable or because you are severely limited. None of that is something I can fix, and believe me, I would if I could, because my patience, as I said before, is wearing thin with your intentional spin of my words. Can you please, please play your games somewhere else and leave me be? Or if you want to genuinely communicate, stop with the games? Are you capable of this?
Are you capable of stopping accusing me of deliberately or intentionally misrepresenting you, of playing games with you, of putting a spin on what you say, of falsely accusing me of deflecting when I answer your questions right away (which makes you dishonest, and that is not a misrepresentation or putting any kind of spin on it. It is telling it like it is).
Why don't you just answer the question and stop deflecting and blaming?
Do you or do you not believe Jesus when he said, You must be born again?
You seem to be saying this only applied to Nicodemus. Please clarify and stop your game playing.
Why don't you just answer the question and stop deflecting and blaming?
Do you or do you not believe Jesus when he said, You must be born again?
You seem to be saying this only applied to Nicodemus. Please clarify and stop your game playing.
