When did Christ save you?

[Grace777x70]

I agree.

When I think that our salvation was done in God before the foundation of the world ... it encourages me because it makes me think of how great His love is for me. How great and awesome His plan in Christ was and is for us!

God obviously put a lot of thought into us!!! He's a good, good Father to us!

I see... God may be outside of time, since time is an aspect (some call it a dimension) of creation, but He did enter time in the form of Jesus Christ, and our saving was also within the time frame of our lives, perhaps when we repented and believed. Saying it happened before we were even born seems a bit misleading just because Jesus' sacrifice on our behalf was purposed from before the foundation of the world. Maybe in the mind of God it did, but for us, who inhabit time, it was within a framework thus parameterized.

 

[ukok102nak]

:rofl: when that final moment i felt the unknown cold i never felt before in my entire life
thats where i realized that i was in deep trouble
that i was going to die and the last tear drops fell in my eyes
because no one ever know at that time
when it was just a two step distance between me and my family
for i shout until the last breath i have in this earthly flesh of man
but still no one hears me . ...


i can even imagine that every human had an exact experienced without forcing them unto themselves . ...
and after that i heard a voice speaking unto me . ...


:smoke: lucky for them they accepted the contract
for even if they accepted it but in the end they are not worthy
they lose both theirs heart and soul


: : and what we really mean is their spiritual heart and their spiritual soul
for eternity


* taranta (d0) `∞` : in darkness .......


♪: DID YOU KNOW THAT EVEN IN MY LAST BREATH I CALL UPON HIM
CHRIST JESUS BUT THE END IS THE END AS THEY SAY
FOR A MAN WAS DESTINED TO DIE ONCE . ...


† : I EVEN CALL ALL THE SAINTS AT THAT TIME BUT NO COMES TO MY AID . ...


¿ : and a question to me asking me of something that
:dontknow: if any living person now has their chance to answer it right . ...


® : and i cant remember until now what kind of question is that
but i never had any idea at all to answer it
for the last thing thing i remember
i saw how this thibg coming out of my body and
how it feels to know it returned to my body as well but
with such a cost . ...


~:› `` TO BE A SLAVE OF THIS WORLD
FIRST AND BECOME A SLAVE OF THAT WORLD IN THE MIDST OF SEARCHING FROM THAT DAY THEN AT
LAST WE FIND WHAT OUR HEARTS AND SOULS ARE SEARCHING FOR .......
:hihihi:
:read:
Matthew 22:14
Sapagka't marami ang mga tinawag, datapuwa't kakaunti ang mga nahirang.


Matthew 22:14
“For many are called, but few are chosen.”


~:› TO BE A SLAVED TO
OUR LORD GOD THE FATHER ALMIGHTY
WHO IS GOOD AND DOESN'T LIE
AND TO
OUR LORD GOD THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON
CHRIST JESUS WHO IS OUR SAVIOUR WHEN THE TIME COMES . ...


SHALL THE GOODNESS WITHIN YOU ALL BE KEPT AS HOLY
AS THE HOLY SPIRITS GUIDES US AND BECOME ONE WITH THE SAINTS AND
UNTO THE ANGELS OF LIGHT WHO ARE BLESSED FOREVER AND EVER
AMEN

 

[Grace777x70]

It looks like we were saved 1) before the foundation of the world, 2)when Christ died on the cross and rose from the grave 2,000 years ago and when 3) we received Him in our lives.

Perfect 3!..lol

Perhaps that's when we were marked for salvation...it still took Christ's real death to save us.

 

[Magenta]

I agree.

When I think that our salvation was done in God before the foundation of the world ... it encourages me because it makes me think of how great His love is for me. How great and awesome His plan in Christ was and is for us!

God obviously put a lot of thought into us!!! He's a good, good Father to us!

There are many ways to muse upon the goodness and greatness of God... to the question of how He can know all, I envision Him as an electrical current that flows through everything, as per an operating system that we as programs are all running "under"... those programs that are not compatible with the operating system will eventually simply be dropped or taken out of use, while all others are to be upgraded at some future point in time The vastness of space boggles the mind. The mechanics of physics and cosmology likewise. And yet, God is behind it all, sustains it all, created all for His own purposes. Amazing! And into this mix we have been born, and found ourselves wanting in His sight but for the grace afforded through Jesus Christ. All the more amazing grace!

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[Ahwatukee]

According to God we were chosen in Him before the foundation of the world too.

I would whole heartedly agree with you Grace:

"And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose. For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified."

Notice that it is God "He" who is the One who did the foreknowing, predestining, the calling, the justifying and the glorifying.
And that's not based on the individuals works, whether bad or good, but by God's sovereign choice before the world began.

That being said, I guess a better title for this thread would be "When did God call you?"

 

[valiant]

For Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us;25 nor was it that He would offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the holy place year by year with blood that is not his own.26 Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. [Heb 9:24-26]

You fail to differentiate between Christ providing an opportunity for us to be saved and our actual salvation. He had done all that was necessary to provide salvation. It was only when I responded that I could be personally saved,

Christ died once. "When One died, all died" (2 Cor 5:14). Your old life from Adam died in Christ once about 2000 years ago.

My old life from Adam did not exist 2000 years ago. You are simply playing word games.

If you were saved 68 years ago, from under law, then Christ had to die again and again.

Nonsense.

This is what the Papacy teaches through the mass. You Catholic?

you are simply talking rubbish

 

[valiant]

You where redeemed "in Christ" 2000 years ago. Keep your verb tenses in check....

I was not 'in Christ' 2000 years ago. you are simply playing with words and saying things that are meaningless. The Scriptural phrase 'in Christ' is not used like that.

Christ's redemptive work occurred in eternity past. you can say I was in Christ then because I was His elect in eternity past. You cannot date it to 2000 years ago.

 

[valiant]

Faith is a response to something that has already happened. For those who die prematurely (namely infants and the mentally challenged) God's grace is sufficient. They are safe "in Christ". This is good news folks!

that is by no means demonstrable

 

[Stonemason]

that is by no means demonstrable

But what, about all of this, is?

Ok, for the sake of argument, because I believe this, we say you have all your facilities, accordingly you can legally enter to contracts and such, and to you, because of this earthly perception of capability, have had the right to make a choice to accept Jesus into your heart. So, can we really, truly, come close to comprehending the alternative? I mean, do you believe for one moment we can imagine "eternity of torment"? What is eternity? What is the nature of a tormented soul after the body dies? "Well I imagine it's pretty horrible!", you say, but you don't know, you can't know. We have categorically no inkling of an idea the massive, massive mistake it is to deny Jesus. We're warned, "don't do it".

So can you really tell me, if you feel your salvation was based on a "choice you made in the positive sense for your salvation" was an informed one? I do not believe we can be fully informed, which is why it's another aspect supporting my contention, simply, "do not deny Christ", as that is as cleaving to Him.

 

[Magenta]

What is the nature of a tormented soul after the body dies?

You need to read the Bible to find out what a soul is. You have been told before. Do you just totally ignore Scripture when it does not agree with your erroneously preconceived ideas?

 

[sydlit]

Pls hit play. I believe this msg, but the outworking.....no friends, no relationship, .....I'm trying to find the purpose.
I thank God for salvation, but is it to just wait for the day of redemption, or to go tell others that they too can be forgiven, and then...., well....., have no friends or relationship, but at least argue about things like when they got saved and what that all means.
Sorry to be cynical, but i've been thru a very down time lately, and have been off here for a while, and have come to realize that no one seems to notice or give a whit or has offered a prayer my way and I'm very disillusioned by it all.
Sorry, i'm not blaming anyone here, I'm sure it's my fault anyway, it always is when things go wrong. Just trying to find some sort of meaning or purpose, and wondering if my heads too thick or my hearts too hard, and that's why I'm still feeling like I'm on the outside, and wondering if I always will be, even though I do believe in Jesus...
https://vimeo.com/146974651

 

[Grace777x70]

It always seems to be all about God!..and not us..sheesh!..Lol..just teasin' here....

I would whole heartedly agree with you Grace:

"And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose. For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified."

Notice that it is God "He" who is the One who did the foreknowing, predestining, the calling, the justifying and the glorifying.
And that's not based on the individuals works, whether bad or good, but by God's sovereign choice before the world began.

That being said, I guess a better title for this thread would be "When did God call you?"

 

[valiant]

Originally Posted by valiant

that is by no means demonstrable

But what, about all of this, is?

Ok, for the sake of argument, because I believe this, we say you have all your facilities, accordingly you can legally enter to contracts and such, and to you, because of this earthly perception of capability, have had the right to make a choice to accept Jesus into your heart. So, can we really, truly, come close to comprehending the alternative? I mean, do you believe for one moment we can imagine "eternity of torment"? What is eternity? What is the nature of a tormented soul after the body dies? "Well I imagine it's pretty horrible!", you say, but you don't know, you can't know. We have categorically no inkling of an idea the massive, massive mistake it is to deny Jesus. We're warned, "don't do it".

So can you really tell me, if you feel your salvation was based on a "choice you made in the positive sense for your salvation" was an informed one? I do not believe we can be fully informed, which is why it's another aspect supporting my contention, simply, "do not deny Christ", as that is as cleaving to Him.

I am t a loss to understand how this answers my point. it looks just like verbiage

 

[crossnote]

One can believe in a universal atonement without being an universalists. It would appear that we do have to receive what is already been made available.


For example I put $1,000,000 in everyone's bank account..it's a done deal...but they have to receive it in order to appropriate what is already there. - So, everyone has the money but one can choose not to receive it.

You know what I mean by a universalist...everyone is in.

 

[crossnote]

it appears there is no before with God Who is eternal. There is a foundation of the world tho which is in the realm of time.

It does only make sense to our natural minds regarding the actual event of the Incarnation when we only think of time in a linear fashion.

Lol..it makes us laugh when I think about how so little I know...perhaps that is why God gave me faith to get me out of the natural way of thinking...like how can one be born-again?..do I have to go back into my mother's womb again?

When one is born again...they know!

 

[Grace777x70]

Yep!...everyone sins have been taken away by the Lord Jesus....hence universal atonement..everyone is included..but it needs to be received.

John 1:29 (NASB)

The next day he *saw Jesus coming to him and *said, "Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!


Universalists believe that God is going to force everyone to accept salvation because Christ died for every man and hence everyone is saved whether they like it or not..

You know what I mean by a universalist...everyone is in.

 

[Grace777x70]

Yep! There are 2 sides to that coin.

1 Corinthians 8:2 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] If anyone supposes that he knows anything, he has not yet known as he ought to know;

1 John 2:20 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.

Now.......I need to have my mind renewed to what I know inside of me because of the Holy Spirit!

When one is born again...they know!

 

[Magenta]

Universalists believe that God is going to force everyone to accept salvation because Christ died for every man and hence everyone is saved whether they like it or not..

I doubt Universalists believe God will force everyone. Scripture does say that every knee shall bow and every tongue will confess Jesus as Lord, but it does not say this is done under coercion.

 

[crossnote]

I'm not a universalist. Are you?

Joh 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

That verse is for those who know of God and His law either explicitly or though one's conscience.

You can't tell that to a newborn, until they reach the age of accountability. Then it is up to God's Spirit to convict them of sin and a Savior. At that time a choice must be made.

Please answer the question.
Are you a universalist? Do you believe all people will be saved?

 

[crossnote]

I'm not a universalist. Are you?

Joh 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

It looks like we were saved 1) before the foundation of the world, 2)when Christ died on the cross and rose from the grave 2,000 years ago and when 3) we received Him in our lives.

Perfect 3!..lol

No one was saved apart from the actual death of Christ. Otherwise you open a floodgate of dangerous theology where people think they are saved just because they claim it was done before the foundation of the world.