CAN A CHRISTIAN BE PRO-GAY MARRIAGE?

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Can a mature Christian support gay marriage?

  • Yes, a mature Christian can support gay marriage

    Votes: 15 10.5%

  • No, a mature Christian cannot support gay marriage

    Votes: 128 89.5%
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jaybird88

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i dont support gays or gay marrage. i think its wrong. but i believe they have the right to be married and a preacher should have the right to refuse to marry gays. Jesus gave people a choice, follow Him and His teachings, or dont. He never forced someone against their will to follow. IMO if we try and force our beliefs on others than we are no better than they are.
 
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mpaper345

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A Christian cannot support gay marriage for God is against it,but a person that claims to be with Christ,but is a hypocrite,might support it.

But although we should not support it,we still love the people,as though they were not gay.

If they say should they support gay marriage,then should they support any of the other sins God is against.
 
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jaybird88 said:
i dont support gays or gay marrage. i think its wrong. but i believe they have the right to be married and a preacher should have the right to refuse to marry gays. Jesus gave people a choice, follow Him and His teachings, or dont. He never forced someone against their will to follow. IMO if we try and force our beliefs on others than we are no better than they are.
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By definition, the 'union' between two men or two women simply is not a marriage. It's not a matter of right or wrong.
The culture is bamboozling the christians by the term gay 'marriage'. That is equivalent to selling someone fried ice cream.

Genesis 2:22-24 KJV
[22] And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. [23] And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. [24] Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
 
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Vernon

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Yes , Christians can support gay marriage, and many do so. You will not find many on this site who do so, as the posts have shown
 
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Vernon said:
Yes , Christians can support gay marriage, and many do so. You will not find many on this site who do so, as the posts have shown
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Disobedient Christians maybe or professing only. Where do you see in Scripture one instance of same sex marriage?
 
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Vernon

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crossnote said:
Disobedient Christians maybe or professing only. Where do you see in Scripture one instance of same sex marriage?
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I do not base my understanding on scripture alone, if I did I would justify slavery and ethnic cleansing among many other atrocities supported by scripture.

I am not impressed by sola scriptura, it is a ludicrous proclamation.
 
Yonah

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It is a sad state when such a question would be entertained much less asked, the 2 words gay and marriage do NOT even belong in the same sentence, unless of course one defines gay as colorful or happy (which in this thread is not the case) the creator of all things created and defined marriage, and gave his stamp of approval upon it, any other "union" of 2 people is NOT marriage, a relationship yes but not marriage. The fact that such a question can even be asked with any seriousness only shows the level of moral and ethical decline of this age.... (as in the days of Noah) you see the separation between light and darkness will only increase, now is the time to leave the valley of decision and make a choice for right and stand against sin (any sin) we are not judges, however we are not to be silent when truth can set the captives free.
 
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Vernon

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If God is love, and two people love one another and are of the same sex, how is this condemned?
 
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Tintin

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Vernon said:
If God is love, and two people love one another and are of the same sex, how is this condemned?
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God is Love but He is also Absolute Truth. You can't have just one without having the other. Also, the love between two people of the same sex may feel real, but it's not Love. Because Love comes from the Father who is Love. Therefore, homosexual 'unions' aren't godly.
 
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Vernon

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Tintin said:
God is Love but He is also Absolute Truth. You can't have just one without having the other. Also, the love between two people of the same sex may feel real, but it's not Love. Because Love comes from the Father who is Love. Therefore, homosexual 'unions' aren't godly.
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so love between a couple of the same sex is ungodly because God is absolute truth. Interesting. Why hasn't God spoken to us for 2,000 years? Have you ever considered that God is trying to speak to us but we silence him with our dogma?
 
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Vernon said:
so love between a couple of the same sex is ungodly because God is absolute truth. Interesting. Why hasn't God spoken to us for 2,000 years? Have you ever considered that God is trying to speak to us but we silence him with our dogma?
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"In these last days God has spoken to us through his Son." Have you considered that?
 
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Mitspa

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Sexual perversion is not "love" ..and no one that "loves" a gay person would want them to live in a sinful and deviant lifestyle.
 
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Vernon

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ForthAngel said:
"In these last days God has spoken to us through his Son." Have you considered that?
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yes, I have considered that .... But 2,000 years? Come on now. I believe we are quenching the Holy Spirit by our dogma. I know that God is love and I do not see that expressed in fundamentalist dogma, on the contrary, I see a God of hatred and eternal damnation, how do you reconcile such things?
 
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Vernon said:
yes, I have considered that .... But 2,000 years? Come on now. I believe we are quenching the Holy Spirit by our dogma. I know that God is love and I do not see that expressed in fundamentalist dogma, on the contrary, I see a God of hatred and eternal damnation, how do you reconcile such things?
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Been in the last days for 2000 years. No new revelation. That's what scripture says. Believe it or don't. Stop trying to justify something God himself has always called an abomination though. Unfortunately, God does damn eternally like it or not. God would never lead a christian to live and in fact embrace openly, a homosexual lifestyle any more than he would lead a christian to sleep with their pets or have extramarital straight sex. You can't justify homosexuality without throwing ever single sin out the window along with it.
 
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Mitspa

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So because the bible is complete and God has given men 2000 years to repent...the bible is not true? I don't get that logic?
 
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Vernon

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Mitspa said:
So because the bible is complete and God has given men 2000 years to repent...the bible is not true? I don't get that logic?
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You don't get that logic ? Really ? You do not see a problem because you accept your dogma as truth.

If if you could open your minds to consider your dogma as false then perhaps God could speak to you.
 
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Vernon said:
But 2,000 years? Come on now. I believe we are quenching the Holy Spirit by our dogma. I know that God is love and I do not see that expressed in fundamentalist dogma, on the contrary, I see a God of hatred and eternal damnation, how do you reconcile such things?
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You wrote earlier that you don't believe in sola Scriptura. So then, how do you determine what is truth?

I reconcile such things because I don't see a god (small-g) of hatred. I see a God Who is slow to anger and abounding in love, is the very source and definition of all that is good and upright, and is holy and cannot tolerate sin. Because He is the Creator, it is His sovereign right to dictate what is sinful and how He will deal with it. He does not desire that anyone perish, but that all to come to repentance. He loves His created kids so much that He gave His only Son in our place, because on our own we could not attain the holiness He requires. And I see all this in Scripture. As for 2,000 years, well, He is still speaking by His Spirit, completely consistently with His written Word.
 
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Vernon

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ForthAngel said:
Been in the last days for 2000 years. No new revelation. That's what scripture says. Believe it or don't. Stop trying to justify something God himself has always called an abomination though. Unfortunately, God does damn eternally like it or not. God would never lead a christian to live and in fact embrace openly, a homosexual lifestyle any more than he would lead a christian to sleep with their pets or have extramarital straight sex. You can't justify homosexuality without throwing ever single sin out the window along with it.
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scripture was canonized by humans who had a dogma, books which disagreed were proclaimed anathema.

you are convinced that your dogma is true. Since God is silent you can not speak with authority beyond the books accepted.

convienent isn't it?
 
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Vernon said:
yes, I have considered that .... But 2,000 years? Come on now. I believe we are quenching the Holy Spirit by our dogma. I know that God is love and I do not see that expressed in fundamentalist dogma, on the contrary, I see a God of hatred and eternal damnation, how do you reconcile such things?
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There was no prophet for 400 years leading up to John the baptist, and many didn't accept him to be from God, (didn't want to hear his message). God has sent messages and spoken to us through people through time, and often there message wasn't lovely and peaceful so we didn't hear them. Luther, Knox, etc.
God is Love but love doesn't accept sin and say i'll change the rules just for loves sake, that would then be weakness.
God has not changed, and it is plan that God hates the sin but loves the sinner. Homosexuality is a sin.
 
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Mitspa

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Vernon said:
You don't get that logic ? Really ? You do not see a problem because you accept your dogma as truth.

If if you could open your minds to consider your dogma as false then perhaps God could speak to you.
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So faith in the truth of scripture, is "dogma" to you? That's just silly ...the term "dogma" is a Greek word that relates to the legalistic code of the law that requires obedience to the letter to be justified ... you don't even seem to understand the terms you are using, in a biblical context.
 
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