Gospel of the Kingdom vs the Gospel Paul preached

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But that does not mean that the requirement to preach the Gospel "in all the world" and "to every creature" was fulfilled at that time (first century). But there will come a time when this is fulfilled, and it is only after that that Christ will come to earth for the second time.

And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. (Mt 24:14).

BTW, there are not multiple different Gospels. They are simply described in different ways. There is only ONE GOSPEL.
"I will not leave you Comfortless *I* will come to you" (John 14:18). Therefore Jesus DID "come the second time" but IN THE SPIRIT (Acts 1:2; 2:2)!
 
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NO,,,the Gospel of the Kingdom as you put it,,,was only for Jews. The Kingdom of GOD was for the Gentiles and Jews alike that Believed in the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

It seems that you all are not "seeing" that "The Kingdom" is "The Spirit!" When Jesus walked the face of the earth (before the cross) HE preached "The Gospel of Spirit" that was coming and is why HE SAID "The Kingdom of God is AT HAND" because "The Spirit" would be made available to all men AFTER THE CROSS.

AFTER THE CROSS "The Kingdom of God" which is available to ALL is "The SPIRIT of God" or "The Kingdom of God!" "Kingdom" means "Spirit!"

I Corinthians 4:20 says "For the Kingdom of God is not in talking but in *POWER*" and JESUS defined "POWER" in Acts 1:8 when HE SAID "But ye shall receive *POWER* after that the Holy Spirit is come upon you..." therefore "The Kingdom of God" is the "POWER" we receive "AFTER THAT the Holy Spirit is come upon us" making the Kingdom of God "The Holy Spirit" or "SPIRIT!":D
 

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It is obvious you want to put John 146's teaching to a Hyper-Grace scenario which is SAD...The CHurch did not Start in the OLD testament. The Old Testament did not End until the Death of the Testator (Jesus).

If you will read 2 tim 2: 15 and Divide the Bible as it states, You will find that John 146 teachings are spot on. It you do not believe, well that is you free will to do so........Why would he Put it in there if it were not so...The way John 146 is teaching, one does not have to add to or take away from the Bible.

Thank you brother for your kind words. When my eyes were opened to rightly dividing, I was able to put away all the self explanations in Scripture and let the words stand as stated. What a relief! What a blessing! No more trying to fit the square peg into the round hole.
 

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There is only one gospel in this dispensation and in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Paul clearly states: 1 Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you--unless you believed in vain. 3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures.

In Ephesians 3:1-9, Paul clearly states: 1 - For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for you Gentiles— 2 if indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you, 3 how that by revelation He made known to me the mystery (as I have briefly written already, 4 by which, when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ), 5 which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets: 6 that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel, 7 of which I became a minister according to the gift of the grace of God given to me by the effective working of His power. 8 To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ, 9 and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ.

This is the "good news" that the apostle Paul preached after the cross, but does this share the exact same content as the "good news" that the twelve, John the Baptist, and Jesus Christ were preaching before the cross? They were still preaching the "good news" gospel of the kingdom to Israel. This is where it gets a little deep.

If the gospel of the kingdom, prior to the cross has the exact same content as the gospel of grace after the cross, then Matthew 10:5-7; 16:21-22; Mark 16:14; Luke 18:31-34; 24:19-24, 44-47, along with Ephesians 3:1-9 are superfluous verses. Before the cross, the gospel of grace that Paul taught and came to him through a revelation of Jesus Christ (Galatians 1:11-12) was said to still be a mystery.

I've heard certain people say that the gospel Paul preached was preached as far back as Moses and even Adam, yet I see no evidence in scripture for this. I've heard people confuse the gospel "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ with everything that is written in the 4 gospel accounts. Some people call the entire Bible the gospel and Mormons have added the Book of Mormon to the Bible and call that the "fullness" of the gospel, so as we can see there is much confusion out there in regards to what the gospel is and there are those who pervert the gospel by teaching salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works." (Galatians 1:6-9)
 

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"I will not leave you Comfortless *I* will come to you" (John 14:18). Therefore Jesus DID "come the second time" but IN THE SPIRIT (Acts 1:2; 2:2)!
The Holy Spirit is NOT Jesus.
 
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The Holy Spirit is NOT Jesus.
You can call JESUS "A LIAR" when HE spoke John 14:18 and said "I will not leave you Comfortless *I* will come to you" but I BELIEVE!

Acts 1:2 says "Until the day that HE was taken up, *AFTER THAT* HE through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom HE had chosen."

Acts 1:2 says that "JESUS is OPERATING in the GLORY of the HOLY GHOST - TODAY!
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You can call JESUS "A LIAR" when HE spoke John 14:18 and said "I will not leave you Comfortless *I* will come to you" but I BELIEVE!

Acts 1:2 says "Until the day that HE was taken up, *AFTER THAT* HE through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom HE had chosen."

Acts 1:2 says that "JESUS is OPERATING in the GLORY of the HOLY GHOST - TODAY!
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no one is calling Jesus a liar and no need for you to say that especially since you just joined and really do not know anyone?

Nehemiah (I don't always agree with him so not taking sides) is simply referring to the fact he believes in the trinity and frankly I do as well

that would be why he said what he said

again, no liars so maybe lay down the sword before you hurt yourself with it

and before you decide I don't have or I don't know the Holy Spirit...I am not a cessationist

the Holy Spirit does not speak of Himself, so in that regard he does speak the will of the Father and reminds us of the words and promises of Jesus

the Holy Spirit is called the Comforter among other things, but He is not Jesus
 
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The Holy Spirit is NOT Jesus.
Who told you the Holy Spirit is not Jesus?

"But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all truth." (John 16:13)

The Holy Spirit was present even before Pentecost because Christ has always been. He is the Word of God. Humanity can’t hear or receive spiritual things because of its reasoning (carnal) mind. The natural man cannot receive spiritual thoughts. He can only receive ideas that are in conflict with the Spirit of Christ but in agreement with his carnal sense and his own delusions.

"But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. He shall glorify Me; for He shall take of Mine, and shall disclose it to you." (John 16:13-14)

You cannot reason Who Christ is with your natural carnal mind. It's impossible, God said. The Holy Spirit unveils Himself to us, Jesus Christ the Lord. Only the Holy Spirit can do that; it is impossible with man’s reasoning.

We can believe our own reasoning thoughts (own understanding), or believe Christ Himself. Have faith in what we can reason or figure with our intellect, or have faith in Christ only. And faith in Christ is not of ourselves, it is the gift of God.

By grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not of your own doing; it is the gift of God.” (Eph 2:8)

"I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin." (Romans 7:25)

Paul no longer trusted in his own natural reasoning. His surrendered his mind to God.
Paul had no faith in his own rational thoughts, because the flesh mind serves flesh, it can't even understand God at all. God is unseen to our own understanding; He is only seen by being surrendered to His Holy Spirit (Jesus).

"If you've seen Me, you've seen the Father." (John 14:9)

We now live in the realm of the unseen.
 
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no one is calling Jesus a liar and no need for you to say that especially since you just joined and really do not know anyone?

Nehemiah (I don't always agree with him so not taking sides) is simply referring to the fact he believes in the trinity and frankly I do as well

that would be why he said what he said

again, no liars so maybe lay down the sword before you hurt yourself with it

and before you decide I don't have or I don't know the Holy Spirit...I am not a cessationist

the Holy Spirit does not speak of Himself, so in that regard he does speak the will of the Father and reminds us of the words and promises of Jesus

the Holy Spirit is called the Comforter among other things, but He is not Jesus


I'm just telling you the TRUTH according to the Word of God! Why do you keep saying "Jesus is not the Holy Spirit" when HE SPOKE John 14:18?

Jesus said "If you don't "KEEP MY WORD" you are "A LIAR" and the truth in not in you" (I John 2:3-5).

JESUS' WORDS were "I will not leave you Comfortless *I* will come to you" (John 14:18)! But you say "Jesus is NOT the Holy Spirit" when HE JUST SAID HE WAS! What is that? Are you "KEEPING HIS WORD?" If NOT, I didn't say it JESUS SAID IT! HE SAID "You are A LIAR!" and I'm not trying to be rude just telling you what HE SAID!

I guess you don't want to BELIEVE what JESUS SAID because you are "Trinitarian" and that Scripture KILLS the third PERSON of the "trinity" with it's theory that JESUS is the second PERSON of the "trinity" and the Holy Ghost is the third PERSON of the "trinity!" With JESUS speaking John 14:18, HE makes the theory of a "trinity" A LIE!

HE also made it A LIE in I Corinthians 12:11-12 when HE SAID there is "ONE SELFSAME SPIRIT" with "MANY" operations [Not just "3"] yet One body when HE SAID "SO ALSO IS CHRIST" when comparing "the members of the body of Christ" Spiritual gifts to the operation of "Christ!"

If you have a belief that DEFIES just *ONE* Scripture, you believe IN ERROR!

If you are NOT "a cessationist" you have no part with GOD! In I Corinthians 12:8-10 JESUS lists "Spiritual gifts" given to "the members of the body of Christ" including but not limited to "healings, prophecy, tongues, and interpretation of tongues" and for you to say "you're not a cessationist
" [AGAIN] the Word of God says "...you are none of HIS" (Romans 8:9)!:(
 
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Truthfully, Cessationist, Trinitarian, I don’t know what those things mean. And honestly, I don’t even concern myself with anything other than the Spirit of Jesus Christ. I don’t have any faith in what anyone believes, and certainly don't have any faith in what I believe. Whatever Christ believes, I believe Him.

In fact, what choice have I got? It’s not like I decided to come to God on my own and decided to live holy. Christ called me, He broke my carnal mind, He redeemed me, He took over my life, He renewed me, He goes before me, He makes the way, He made me His own, He guides my every step. He is Lord, I believe Him. He doesn't need my help to make me follow Him. He made me love Him because He proved Himsef loving and faithful.

I had about as much choice to follow God as Paul (when he was Saul) did when the Holy Spirit got a hold of him on the road to Damascus. Or King Nebuchadnezzar, when God put a stop to his carnal thinking and showed that king who was Lord. Or Lazarus when he was dead and Jesus said, “Come forth.” I had no choice. God called me forth and showed me He was Lord.

The Lord set me free of trying to figure out who He is, of what rules I have to follow, what doctrine I have to believe, what I have to do to keep being holy, etc. Why worry? He said, "Rest. Be still. I will take care of it." Jesus is Lord of my life and that’s all the matters now.

Is God the Lord of your life? If He is, you don’t have to worry about what to think or believe. You can rest in Him that He is able to keep you. If you are worrying, if your eyes are on the seen (world) and not the unseen (Spirit), if you are restless and doubt that God is in control, you will continue to try to control yourself and others. Because your faith won't be in God, it'll be in yourself and humanity.
 

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Who told you the Holy Spirit is not Jesus?
It is God Himself who tells us that the Holy Spirit is distinct from Jesus the Son of God.

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost (Mt 28:19)

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. (1 John 5:7)

It is Jesus Himself who tells us that the Holy Spirit is distinct from Him.

And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever...

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you...

But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me...

Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you...

Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear,that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you...
 
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Truthfully, Cessationist, Trinitarian, I don’t know what those things mean. And honestly, I don’t even concern myself with anything other than the Spirit of Jesus Christ. I don’t have any faith in what anyone believes, and certainly don't have any faith in what I believe. Whatever Christ believes, I believe Him.

In fact, what choice have I got? It’s not like I decided to come to God on my own and decided to live holy. Christ called me, He broke my carnal mind, He redeemed me, He took over my life, He renewed me, He goes before me, He makes the way, He made me His own, He guides my every step. He is Lord, I believe Him. He doesn't need my help to make me follow Him. He made me love Him because He proved Himsef loving and faithful.

I had about as much choice to follow God as Paul (when he was Saul) did when the Holy Spirit got a hold of him on the road to Damascus. Or King Nebuchadnezzar, when God put a stop to his carnal thinking and showed that king who was Lord. Or Lazarus when he was dead and Jesus said, “Come forth.” I had no choice. God called me forth and showed me He was Lord.

The Lord set me free of trying to figure out who He is, of what rules I have to follow, what doctrine I have to believe, what I have to do to keep being holy, etc. Why worry? He said, "Rest. Be still. I will take care of it." Jesus is Lord of my life and that’s all the matters now.

Is God the Lord of your life? If He is, you don’t have to worry about what to think or believe. You can rest in Him that He is able to keep you. If you are worrying, if your eyes are on the seen (world) and not the unseen (Spirit), if you are restless and doubt that God is in control, you will continue to try to control yourself and others. Because your faith won't be in God, it'll be in yourself and humanity.[/QUOTE

I HAVE BEEN "CHOSEN" TO PREACH THE GOSPEL AND AFTER I WAS CHOSEN, I HAD A DREAM THAT I DIDN'T KNOW WAS IN SCRIPTURE. IN MY DREAM, "TREES" WERE BEING "POPPED" IN HALF YET THEIR ROOTS REMAINED EMBEDDED IN THE EARTH WHICH LEFT NOTHING BUT HALF OF THE TRUNK OF THE TREES EMBEDDED IN THE GROUND. THEN ONE DAY I OPENED THE BIBLE AND MY EYES FELL UPON DANIEL 4:15 AND TO MAY AMAZEMENT MY DREAM WAS IN SCRIPTURE!

GOD TOLD ME TO "PREACH THE WORD" AND FOR THOSE WHO DIDN'T BELIEVE THE "REVELATIONS" HE WOULD GIVE ME "HE WAS ABLE TO ABASE THEM" (DANIEL 4:37)!

LIKE YOU, I WORSHIP "THE SPIRIT" AND DO NOT BELONG TO AN ORGANIZATION. HOWEVER, ONE'S DOCTRINE MUST ALIGN WITH THE "DOCTRINE OF CHRIST" (HEBREWS 6:1-2) OR THEY WILL BE "ACCURSED" (GALATIANS 1:6-9).

IT IS THE "OPERATION OF GOD" IN ONE'S LIFE THAT "ASSURES" WE ARE HIS CHILDREN! JESUS HAS GIVEN EXPLICIT INSTRUCTIONS AND THE RESULTS OF WHAT WILL HAPPEN WHEN HE IS TRULY IN OUR LIVES!

AS A SERVANT, IT IS MY CALLING TO REMIND THAT "CHRIST *MUST* DWELL IN US" (ROMANS 8:9) WITH "CONFORMATION" THAT HE'S SPOKEN OF (MARK 16:16-20) OR WE ARE "NONE OF HIS!"

 
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It is God Himself who tells us that the Holy Spirit is distinct from Jesus the Son of God.

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost (Mt 28:19)

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. (1 John 5:7)

It is Jesus Himself who tells us that the Holy Spirit is distinct from Him.

And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever...

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you...

But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me...

Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you...

Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear,that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you...

"It is God Himself who tells us," you say. Who is "us"? It's certainly not me. I have no faith in your understanding of the scriptures, nor in mine for that matter. Because God says we can't understand it in our intellectual minds. I believe Him. Do you? Or do you have faith in your own reasoning?

God said, "Let us make man in our own image." Who was He talking to? Yet there is only One God. And when God created a man, how was he in God's image? And did man ever stop being in God's image?
 
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It is God Himself who tells us that the Holy Spirit is distinct from Jesus the Son of God.

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost (Mt 28:19)

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. (1 John 5:7)

It is Jesus Himself who tells us that the Holy Spirit is distinct from Him.

And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever...

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you...

But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me...

Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you...

Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear,that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you...
NEIMIAH, DID YOU EVER CONSIDER GOD SENT ME HERE FOR A REASON? I LOOK AT BOTH OF THOSE SCRIPTURES YOU'VE QUOTED AND BOTH WERE "ADDED" BY THE "VICEGERENT" TO JUSTIFY THE CATHOLIC DOCTRINE OF "THE TRINITY" AND "WATER BAPTISM."

IN MATTHEW 28:19 IT IS ALLEGED THAT JESUS "COMMANDED" THE DISCIPLES TO "GO BAPTIZE IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT." WHY DIDN'T THEY "OBEY" BY WATER BAPTIZING "VERBATIM?" WHY IS THERE NOT A "WITNESS" SCRIPTURE FOR MATTHEW 28:19 (DEUT 19:15; MATT 18:16; II COR 13:1) TO "ESTABLISH THE WORD?"

WHY WOULD JESUS "CHOOSE" PAUL (ACTS 19:5) TO "FULFILL THE WORD OF GOD" (COLOSSIANS 1:25) AND THE APOSTLE HE "CHOSE" TURNED ON HIM BY "DISOBEYING" MATTHEW 28:19 WHEN HE SAID "CHRIST DIDN'T SEND ME TO BAPTIZE" (I CORINTHIANS 1:17) *AFTER* JESUS HAD ALLEGEDLY COMMANDED THE DISCIPLES TO DO SO IN MATTHEW 28:19?

WHAT?

YOU SEE? THESE ARE THE "REVELATIONS" GOD HAS GIVEN ME THAT THE "VICEGERENT" HAS USED THE BIBLE AS HIS "GREATEST DEVICE TO LOSE SOULS" AND PEOPLE HAVE NEVER EVEN HEARD OF A "VICEGERENT" AND NEITHER HAD I!

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And btw, why quote walls of scripture to support a belief ? Who cares what anyone believes? Preach Christ crucified and resurrected. Jesus reigns. We are saved from our own understanding. We now reign with Him. Hallelujah! Praise the Lord!
 
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I'm just telling you the TRUTH according to the Word of God! Why do you keep saying "Jesus is not the Holy Spirit" when HE SPOKE John 14:18?

Jesus said "If you don't "KEEP MY WORD" you are "A LIAR" and the truth in not in you" (I John 2:3-5).

JESUS' WORDS were "I will not leave you Comfortless *I* will come to you" (John 14:18)! But you say "Jesus is NOT the Holy Spirit" when HE JUST SAID HE WAS! What is that? Are you "KEEPING HIS WORD?" If NOT, I didn't say it JESUS SAID IT! HE SAID "You are A LIAR!" and I'm not trying to be rude just telling you what HE SAID!

I guess you don't want to BELIEVE what JESUS SAID because you are "Trinitarian" and that Scripture KILLS the third PERSON of the "trinity" with it's theory that JESUS is the second PERSON of the "trinity" and the Holy Ghost is the third PERSON of the "trinity!" With JESUS speaking John 14:18, HE makes the theory of a "trinity" A LIE!

HE also made it A LIE in I Corinthians 12:11-12 when HE SAID there is "ONE SELFSAME SPIRIT" with "MANY" operations [Not just "3"] yet One body when HE SAID "SO ALSO IS CHRIST" when comparing "the members of the body of Christ" Spiritual gifts to the operation of "Christ!"

If you have a belief that DEFIES just *ONE* Scripture, you believe IN ERROR!

If you are NOT "a cessationist" you have no part with GOD! In I Corinthians 12:8-10 JESUS lists "Spiritual gifts" given to "the members of the body of Christ" including but not limited to "healings, prophecy, tongues, and interpretation of tongues" and for you to say "you're not a cessationist
" [AGAIN] the Word of God says "...you are none of HIS" (Romans 8:9)!:(

why do I keep saying? I have responded one time so please quit the hyperbole

I'm not impressed by your big announcement that you are a prophet

so you don't believe in the Trinity? good to know

you do seem to like go off on people...typical of those who claim OT prophet abilities

again, no one called anyone a liar

well actually, you seem to be calling people who don't acknowledge your prophet status as liars

I guess you don't want to BELIEVE what JESUS SAID because you are "Trinitarian" and that Scripture KILLS the third PERSON of the "trinity" with it's theory that JESUS is the second PERSON of the "trinity" and the Holy Ghost is the third PERSON of the "trinity!" With JESUS speaking John 14:18, HE makes the theory of a "trinity" A LIE!

actually you need to take your own advice here:

I guess you don't want to BELIEVE what JESUS SAID because you are "Trinitarian" and that Scripture KILLS the third PERSON of the "trinity" with it's theory that JESUS is the second PERSON of the "trinity" and the Holy Ghost is the third PERSON of the "trinity!" With JESUS speaking John 14:18, HE makes the theory of a "trinity" A LIE!
reader beware is about the best conclusion for you IMO

If you are NOT "a cessationist" you have no part with GOD! In I Corinthians 12:8-10 JESUS lists "Spiritual gifts" given to "the members of the body of Christ" including but not limited to "healings, prophecy, tongues, and interpretation of tongues" and for you to say "you're not a cessationist" [AGAIN] the Word of God says "...you are none of HIS" (Romans 8:9)!:(
huh

another one that does not know what words mean

a cessationist is one who does not believe in the continuation of the spiritual gifts

so if I am not a cessationist, as I plainly stated (your agitated responses give away the fact you prefer to just have your say and don't really bother with what others say) then it means I do believe in the gifts

either way, you are no more a prophet than a giraffe on the plains of Africa

in fact....well never mind

and no I am not afraid to say the truth and no I am not afraid God is going to get me etc etc etc
 
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Who told you the Holy Spirit is not Jesus?

"But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all truth." (John 16:13)

The Holy Spirit was present even before Pentecost because Christ has always been. He is the Word of God. Humanity can’t hear or receive spiritual things because of its reasoning (carnal) mind. The natural man cannot receive spiritual thoughts. He can only receive ideas that are in conflict with the Spirit of Christ but in agreement with his carnal sense and his own delusions.

"But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. He shall glorify Me; for He shall take of Mine, and shall disclose it to you." (John 16:13-14)

You cannot reason Who Christ is with your natural carnal mind. It's impossible, God said. The Holy Spirit unveils Himself to us, Jesus Christ the Lord. Only the Holy Spirit can do that; it is impossible with man’s reasoning.

We can believe our own reasoning thoughts (own understanding), or believe Christ Himself. Have faith in what we can reason or figure with our intellect, or have faith in Christ only. And faith in Christ is not of ourselves, it is the gift of God.

By grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not of your own doing; it is the gift of God.” (Eph 2:8)

"I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin." (Romans 7:25)

Paul no longer trusted in his own natural reasoning. His surrendered his mind to God.
Paul had no faith in his own rational thoughts, because the flesh mind serves flesh, it can't even understand God at all. God is unseen to our own understanding; He is only seen by being surrendered to His Holy Spirit (Jesus).

"If you've seen Me, you've seen the Father." (John 14:9)

We now live in the realm of the unseen.
Have your read Genesis 1? the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters

and John 1?

Jesus was the word who became flesh

I am surprised to find out you do not believe in the Trinity

you can correct me if I am wrong there

You cannot reason Who Christ is with your natural carnal mind. It's impossible, God said. The Holy Spirit unveils Himself to us, Jesus Christ the Lord. Only the Holy Spirit can do that; it is impossible with man’s reasoning.

We can believe our own reasoning thoughts (own understanding), or believe Christ Himself. Have faith in what we can reason or figure with our intellect, or have faith in Christ only. And faith in Christ is not of ourselves, it is the gift of God.
and you cannot mystify what scripture states many times over

Jesus identified with God, His Father

He also said He would send another and could not do so until He had ascended

Paul no longer trusted in his own natural reasoning. His surrendered his mind to God.
Paul had no faith in his own rational thoughts, because the flesh mind serves flesh, it can't even understand God at all. God is unseen to our own understanding; He is only seen by being surrendered to His Holy Spirit (Jesus).

no actually scripture states we are to RENEW our minds in and with the word

we don't let go and surrender to a spirit that speaks to us

people who do that, go off the rails

not trying to offend you...but I guess that might be hard to accomplish

it is my experience and of many others, that you can most certainly understood what God reveals of Himself

in fact, Jesus said 'if you have seen me, you have seen the Father'

your post sounds like some sort of mystic ramblings. no other way to say it
 
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And btw, why quote walls of scripture to support a belief ? Who cares what anyone believes? Preach Christ crucified and resurrected. Jesus reigns. We are saved from our own understanding. We now reign with Him. Hallelujah! Praise the Lord!
Auntie, we have to "obey God rather than man" (Acts 5:29). You know THE SPIRIT but others don't. When we KNOW THE SPIRIT GOD SAID in Jeremiah 31:34 that "No man would have to teach another anymore" once we've been baptized by the Holy Spirit and that's where YOU are!

However, these other souls don't know for they are still stuck under the law performing actions that were done under the law that Jesus fulfilled but have been taught that they still exist and must be done under "obedience!"

When one is called to "preach the Word," it's their responsibility to use Scripture as stated in II Timothy 3:16!

I MUST "OBEY" for HE has "put HIS law in my heart and mind" (Jeremiah 31:33)!

Blessings
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NEIMIAH, DID YOU EVER CONSIDER GOD SENT ME HERE FOR A REASON?
God does not send false prophets to promote false doctrine and stir the pot. So God definitely did NOT send you here.

Your "revelations" are bogus since they contradict Scripture.
 
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Auntie, we have to "obey God rather than man" (Acts 5:29). You know THE SPIRIT but others don't. When we KNOW THE SPIRIT GOD SAID in Jeremiah 31:34 that "No man would have to teach another anymore" once we've been baptized by the Holy Spirit and that's where YOU are!

However, these other souls don't know for they are still stuck under the law performing actions that were done under the law that Jesus fulfilled but have been taught that they still exist and must be done under "obedience!"

When one is called to "preach the Word," it's their responsibility to use Scripture as stated in II Timothy 3:16!

I MUST "OBEY" for HE has "put HIS law in my heart and mind" (Jeremiah 31:33)!

Blessings
:)
ok...that's just garbage

many know the leading of the Spirit of God

I do not agree with you so by your standards, I don't know the Holy Spirit

if fact if anyone disagrees with you they don't know the Holy Spirit

what I believe, is that quite a few have fallen under the teachings of spirits, not of God but allowed by God, that seek to impress on believers that they are special, chosen, prophets, gurus whatever and gullible people who have started out right, fall prey to these things and go off the rails

I can recount true story after true story where this has happened..even in the lives of those with a real ministry...and they are deceived and deceive others

when someone comes along and states that anyone who disagrees with them, never mind that they know nothing of the person or their lives, but just simply disagrees with them, is not of God? it is THAT self proclaimed prophet that is the duped one

to further illustrate, I stated I was not a cessationist and you took that to mean I don't believe in the spiritual gifts

off the rails