Gospel of the Kingdom vs the Gospel Paul preached

[Incognito]

Very true and very dangerous. The Lord warned us that before His second coming false prophets would proliferate, and we are seeing that prediction right before us, not just on CC but on radio, TV, and the Internet via You Tube, blogs, etc.

It is quite evident that Incognito will continue to post rubbish regardless of what anyone says. That's the downside of free speech. But Christians who know the truth will not be swayed or deceived.

YOUR "VICEGERENT" HAS "BLINDED YOU" (II CORINTHIANS 4:4)!

SORRY!

 

[Incognito]

Oh, I'm not arguing with you at all, sister. I'm just honestly saying that I personally don't have any belief system that's ever worked out for my good. I can tell you that all I've ever done was run out of resources and that's always when God takes over. So I pretty much know by now that He's gonna take over every situation in my life and I'm learning to rest and wait on Him, rather than get all restless and trying to do things myself and then failing. I'm learning to be still and know He's God. I wished I'd learned that lesson years ago, but better late than never, right?

I WISH YOU KNEW ME AND THE "SUPERNATURAL" THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN MY LIFE! I'M A STAGE IV CANCER SURVIVOR WITH MD ANDERSON GIVING ME 6 MONTHS TO LIVE 2 YEARS AGO!

GOD CHOSE ME YEARS BEFORE AND SAVED ME AND HEALED ME WITH A MISSION TO ACCOMPLISH FOR "HIM!" I THANK GOD DAILY!

MATTHEW 11:25 "...I THANK THEE, O FATHER, LORD OF HEAVEN AND EARTH, BECAUSE THOU HAST HID THESE THINGS FROM THE WISE AND PRUDENT, AND HAST REVEALED THEM UNTO BABES."

THANK YOU JESUS!

 

[blue_ladybug]

Lots of people are cancer survivors, including myself. Doesn't mean that they are prophets..and btw, there are no prophets in the world today. All we need to know about prophecy, is in the bible.

I WISH YOU KNEW ME AND THE "SUPERNATURAL" THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN MY LIFE! I'M A STAGE IV CANCER SURVIVOR WITH MD ANDERSON GIVING ME 6 MONTHS TO LIVE 2 YEARS AGO!

GOD CHOSE ME YEARS BEFORE AND SAVED ME AND HEALED ME WITH A MISSION TO ACCOMPLISH FOR "HIM!" I THANK GOD DAILY!

MATTHEW 11:25 "...I THANK THEE, O FATHER, LORD OF HEAVEN AND EARTH, BECAUSE THOU HAST HID THESE THINGS FROM THE WISE AND PRUDENT, AND HAST REVEALED THEM UNTO BABES."

THANK YOU JESUS!

 

[Incognito]

Lots of people are cancer survivors, including myself. Doesn't mean that they are prophets..and btw, there are no prophets in the world today. All we need to know about prophecy, is in the bible.

Do you know your belief of "no prophets in the world today" makes God A LIAR in Joel 2:28 AND Acts 2:17?

 

[blue_ladybug]

There are FALSE prophets abounding today..

 

[7seasrekeyed]

You fail to realize JESUS wasn't concerned what people thought of HIM but RIGHTEOUSNESS. I can see by YOUR "righteousness" that you would have thought JESUS the AntiChrist when HE overthrew tables in the Temple (Matthew 21:12) and called the Pharisees names (Matthew 23)!

I guarantee you are going to REMEMBER what I preach and that's the "Gospel of Spirit" which Paul taught for HE taught "the operation of God" which is the "operation of the Holy Spirit" while YOU try to "work your way into righteousness" by being water baptized and setting up a table for communion when JESUS has "fulfilled" BOTH as HE PROMISED (Matthew 5:17-18)!

Blessings

yeah.

no one is working their way into righteousness. just more of your mind going off track here

the gospel of spirit...

well if I have a choice, and I most certainly do, I reject your nonsense and continue to believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ

whatever you think you commune with, I'm not partaking and that includes your take on 'blessings'

smells like old socks

I never said a thing about water baptism to you.

you are now putting words where I said no words and making up what it is you want to argue about with me and others

what does God say about liars?

don't forget to dodge the flying monkeys

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Do you know your belief of "no prophets in the world today" makes God A LIAR in Joel 2:28 AND Acts 2:17?

it's the genre of false prophets that has people believing there are no prophets

tell you what though. there are no more OT prophets

maybe read and try to understand that NT prophets are to speak by 2 or 3 which means you have not done your homework

each believer is sealed with the Holy Spirit and God knows those who are His. not you

you do not have to speak in tongues to be saved or included among believers

there were those in the NT who had not as yet received the Holy Spirit as a separate experience but they are addressed as believers

so, you are wrong again. more false

you have your own beliefs but you are not the measuring stick

you are rather similar to a derailed train trying very hard to convince everyone you are still running on the track

 

[Incognito]

There are FALSE prophets abounding today..

"WOE UNTO THEM WHO CALL GOOD EVIL AND EVIL GOOD" (ISAIAH 5:20)!

 

[Incognito]

it's the genre of false prophets that has people believing there are no prophets

tell you what though. there are no more OT prophets

maybe read and try to understand that NT prophets are to speak by 2 or 3 which means you have not done your homework

each believer is sealed with the Holy Spirit and God knows those who are His. not you

you do not have to speak in tongues to be saved or included among believers

there were those in the NT who had not as yet received the Holy Spirit as a separate experience but they are addressed as believers

so, you are wrong again. more false

you have your own beliefs but you are not the measuring stick

you are rather similar to a derailed train trying very hard to convince everyone you are still running on the track

Tell you what though GOD SAID "I choose whomsoever I please" in my dream of Daniel Chapter 4 (vs 17;25;32) and "NONE CAN STAY HIS HAND," OR SAY TO HIM, WHAT ARE YOU DOING" (DANIEL 4:35)?


You haven't done YOUR homework for when GOD is with ANYONE you are NOT "alone!" Consequently GOD and I make "2!"

NO ONE IS "Sealed with the Holy Ghost" UNLESS they "come in at THE DOOR" (John 10:1) the way JESUS SAID (Mark 16:16-20; I Corinthians 12:7-10; 13) or you are a "thief and a robber" in HIS sight and NOT "Sealed with the Holy Ghost" because "GOD DOESN'T LIE" (Numbers 23:19)!

Being a "believer" doesn't make you a "member of the body of Christ" (I Corinthians 12:13) for you MUST be baptized by the Holy Spirit (I Corinthians 12:13). Why do you think Paul ask "certain disciples" (aka Believers) "Have you received the Holy Ghost since you BELIEVED?" (Acts 19:2) and then asked "How were you baptized?" (Acts 19:3)?

Seems like you haven't done YOUR homework FALSE CHRISTIAN!

"you have your own beliefs but you are not the measuring stick"

I'm not out here alone dear heart! GOD gives me what to say and "brings all things to my remembrance" (John 14:26) when I need to reply to IGNORANCE!

I know that one doesn't HAVE TO speak in tongues to be saved for Scripture says "Have all the gift of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret" (I Corinthians 12:30) but ALL are given a "Spiritual gift" (I Corinthians 12:7) but differs and ALL have "CONFORMATION" (Mark 16:16-20) of those "Spiritual gifts!"

"ONLY GOD CAN DRAW" (John 6:44) I'm only the messenger!

 

[Incognito]

yeah.

no one is working their way into righteousness. just more of your mind going off track here

the gospel of spirit...

well if I have a choice, and I most certainly do, I reject your nonsense and continue to believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ

whatever you think you commune with, I'm not partaking and that includes your take on 'blessings'

smells like old socks


I never said a thing about water baptism to you.

you are now putting words where I said no words and making up what it is you want to argue about with me and others

what does God say about liars?

don't forget to dodge the flying monkeys

As JESUS "heard" from HIS Father, if you don't "hear" from the Holy Spirit who has "put HIS law in your heart and mind" (Jeremiah 31:33-34) and is NOT some "planned religious ritual" you are "WORKING YOUR WAY INTO RIGHTEOUSNESS!"

ALL of the saints actions are PRODUCED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT and NOT "We will baptize you with water Sunday at 2pm" or "It's the 2nd Sunday and we will have communion" which are NOT actions PRODUCED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT but RITUALS; PAGAN RITUALS!

GOD KNOWS THE HEART that's what I LOVE about HIM! If you never said anything to me about water baptism I pray that you don't believe in the TWO baptisms for if you do you DEFY Ephesians 4:5!

I sure do see you coming!

 

[Bladerunner]

Jesus told his Disciples what was going to happen to him and they wouldn't believe him until it did. Also he would hardly tell them to preach about his death resurrection and about salvation through him when he was still alive

No Tanakh,,,they had no idea about the Cross until it happened..Likewise they had no idea (at first) that death was required before one has everlasting life... There will be only a few of the Church who are still living when they are "caught-up", The other members of this Body of Christ will be resurrected from the graves and reconnected to their souls. Yes, Their Eyes, the same ones that they lived with so many years on earth will see Jesus in His Kingdom.... (i.e. Job 19)

 

[Bladerunner]

You did not say anything wrong but gave the impression that the Gospel had ALREADY been preached in all the world in the first century. But the Gospel is still being preached.

Paul told us that all nations had been preached to....Our job is to make sure everyone in the world knows about Jesus Christ.... During this time, there were very few people in the world according to today's standards. We are teaching to the descendants that were not told about Jesus and their
descendants, etc. etc.

We are on the same page....But it is still what Jesus through Paul told us...That "ALL NATIONs" had been preached to. I take it literally and do not try to make an assumption about just what Jesus was trying to convey differently that what he actually said. Blasphemy probably, calling him a liar---certainly....I will not do it.

 

[Bladerunner]

"I will not leave you Comfortless *I* will come to you" (John 14:18). Therefore Jesus DID "come the second time" but IN THE SPIRIT (Acts 1:2; 2:2)!

There is the Law of Moses and the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Your right, there is only one gospel...

Your next statement has a ring of truth in it. While Jesus did NOT come back YET!.. The Church (Body of Christ) is in the spiritual realm (Kingdom of GOD). You see, while the Holy Spirit has always been around, only since the Cross and Pentecost does the Holy Spirit live within each individual person who truly believes... This is why, God will know who to leave behind.

OH, There is another Gospel and it coming soon.

That is the "Everlasting Gospel" for the Millennium.

But of course, Jesus does not tell us this?????????Rev 14:6, so it is a figment of my imagination.

 

[Bladerunner]

It seems that you all are not "seeing" that "The Kingdom" is "The Spirit!" When Jesus walked the face of the earth (before the cross) HE preached "The Gospel of Spirit" that was coming and is why HE SAID "The Kingdom of God is AT HAND" because "The Spirit" would be made available to all men AFTER THE CROSS.

AFTER THE CROSS "The Kingdom of God" which is available to ALL is "The SPIRIT of God" or "The Kingdom of God!" "Kingdom" means "Spirit!"

I Corinthians 4:20 says "For the Kingdom of God is not in talking but in *POWER*" and JESUS defined "POWER" in Acts 1:8 when HE SAID "But ye shall receive *POWER* after that the Holy Spirit is come upon you..." therefore "The Kingdom of God" is the "POWER" we receive "AFTER THAT the Holy Spirit is come upon us" making the Kingdom of God "The Holy Spirit" or "SPIRIT!"

OK,,,, The Power as you speak of it in (1 Cor 4:20) was the members of the Corinthians Church speaking of Paul. Badly I might add. You to need to read the whole chapter for content..

Yes, the Holy Spirit (the Kingdom of GOD) is within each of us that are true Christians. It only extends to those who TRUELY believe.

 

[Bladerunner]

There is only one gospel in this dispensation and in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Paul clearly states: 1 Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you--unless you believed in vain. 3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures.

In Ephesians 3:1-9, Paul clearly states: 1 - For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for you Gentiles— 2 if indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you, 3 how that by revelation He made known to me the mystery (as I have briefly written already, 4 by which, when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ), 5 which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets: 6 that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel, 7 of which I became a minister according to the gift of the grace of God given to me by the effective working of His power. 8 To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ, 9 and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ.

This is the "good news" that the apostle Paul preached after the cross, but does this share the exact same content as the "good news" that the twelve, John the Baptist, and Jesus Christ were preaching before the cross? They were still preaching the "good news" gospel of the kingdom to Israel. This is where it gets a little deep.

If the gospel of the kingdom, prior to the cross has the exact same content as the gospel of grace after the cross, then Matthew 10:5-7; 16:21-22; Mark 16:14; Luke 18:31-34; 24:19-24, 44-47, along with Ephesians 3:1-9 are superfluous verses. Before the cross, the gospel of grace that Paul taught and came to him through a revelation of Jesus Christ (Galatians 1:11-12) was said to still be a mystery.

I've heard certain people say that the gospel Paul preached was preached as far back as Moses and even Adam, yet I see no evidence in scripture for this. I've heard people confuse the gospel "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ with everything that is written in the 4 gospel accounts. Some people call the entire Bible the gospel and Mormons have added the Book of Mormon to the Bible and call that the "fullness" of the gospel, so as we can see there is much confusion out there in regards to what the gospel is and there are those who pervert the gospel by teaching salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works." (Galatians 1:6-9)

Thank you mailmandan....Your are right of course...There was and is only one Gospel for the dispensation of Grace (The Church) and that is the Gospel of Jesus Christ....

The Law of Moses was prior to the Cross and even extended a little bit past the cross as Acts shows us that itself is a transitional period of time. TIme to bring the Believing Jews to the Gospel of Christ where One must Believe in Jesus' Gospel prior to any good works. As it is by faith ad faith alone during the Dispensation of Grace.

 

[Bladerunner]

what do people who believe the Holy Spirit is Jesus, do with this:


26 “When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me, John 15:26

who is the Holy Spirit testifying about? Jesus and Jesus states that the Helper, the Holy Spirit, is sent by Himself from God

seems to me you have to really misinterpret verses and do a mashup to come up with Jesus is the Holy Spirit

"Trinity = "Jesus, The Son + The Holy Spirit + God, The Father" = GOD"

All have different characteristics but yet all are GOD.

 

[Bladerunner]

Actually, what none of us comprehends in our own understanding is that none of us comprehends God in our own understanding. It takes God's Spirit to open our eyes to that.

Everyone seems to have a belief system which they believe in, and any faith in anything but Jesus is wrong. No man can believe God in his own carnal mind. Unless we surrender our perceptions of God to Him, abandoning our belief systems and the beliefs we have faith in, unless we give our minds completely over to God, we will all just go round and round in debates, as we all can see.

There ain't two people on this entire site who believes the same! Hasn’t anyone caught on to that? Nobody is in complete agreement in their own understanding with anyone else's own understanding. Everyone walks in his own way calling it the truth. One accuses another of heresy while being accused by another for false prophecy. One condemns one for their belief while being condemned for his belief. It’s like a circus in hell. Nobody is edified, God’s not exalted, and everyone loses out.

There is only one way, Jesus Christ. We are not called to lift up our beliefs, but Christ the Lord. Posting walls of scriptures over & over with pages of interpretations and references accomplishes not much more than a guarantee for more debating.

As for the op, I have no idea what his point was. There's only one gospel to preach: Jesus Christ, who is God.

AuntieAnt, I am not really sure what to say?????? In 2 Tim 2:15...Jesus tells us to Study the Bible.....Rightly divide it (dispensations)..."Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

Then in Daniel 12:4....we are told that the Knowledge (future to Daniel) will increase. I believe this to be an increase in the knowledge of the Bible caused by the advent of Computers, etc.

Dan 12:4.."But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased."

We are also told to use the Bible to : 2 Tim 3:16...."All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"

So as you can see, God wants us to read HIS words...

Rem this,,,GOD's WORD means everything to HIM.....1 John 1:1.."In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

 

[Bladerunner]

Deade chiming in here. This is why I do not approve of assigning labels to God. Trinitarians call God three persons in one. Yet nobody really understands that. The Holy Spirit is an extension of God the Father, it is an extension of Jesus Christ. Finally it is also an extension of us. By us I mean all believers. The Holy Spirit is what makes God the supreme ruler of His universe. It is everywhere at once. Can your little finite brain comprehend that? No, you can't nor can I.

Isa. 55:9: "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts."

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Even so...for by our puny standards, the Triune still comes out of the Bible via the WORD of GOD...The Father, The SOn and the Holy Spirit with a number of three distributed all through the Bible. While we may not understand it, we can see in several verses there is a difference....(i.e. Eph 4:30.."And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.")

I'll let you find the verses for "The Father" and "The Son"

 

[Bladerunner]

Do you know your belief of "no prophets in the world today" makes God A LIAR in Joel 2:28 AND Acts 2:17?

Not So....Joel was one of the twelve minor prophets in the OT. Jesus here is talking to the Jews and is telling them what to expect in the Kingdom of Heaven or after they three times rejected the Trinity, the Millennium.

As far as Acts2:17 ....Again in Acts 2:14, Jesus is speaking to the Jews about the Last days. While Pentecost has just occurred in Acts 2:1-4 . Again, He was speaking to them of a future time , I believe this to be centering on the Jacob's Troubles.

 

[followjesus]

The gospel of the kingdom is the good news given to the Jews of their promised kingdom, a literal, physical kingdom on earth where Christ is King. The gospel of the grace of God is the good news preached by Paul given by the Holy Spirit explaining the death, burial, and resurrection or Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins.

Matthew 9:35, "And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people."

1 Corinthians 15:1-4, "Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved,...how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again on the third day according to the scriptures;"

Luke 4:43 " And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent."

matthew 9"35 " And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.


acvts 28: 31 " And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him,31Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him."


acts 20:And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more. ( paul at ephesus)

matthew 20:28 " Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

matthew 26:28 " For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins."

Luke 9:22 " Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day."

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Paul taught the same and only Gospel, as far Back as Isaiah...it was taught that the Messiah would suffer and die bearing the sins of the People, He would Be " Peirced for our transgressions, and the punishemnet that brought us peace was upon Him." Isaiah 53 paul says this of His ministry which the gogers will never accept

this ois where pauls doctrine comes from he gets revelation from....acts 26 " Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision: 20But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance. 21For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill me. 22Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come: 23That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.



its strange How Paul says " I taught everyone both Jew and Gentile, to repent, turn to God and do the works worthy of repentance" very Plainly and clearly , then says " I have said Nothing other than what Moses and the prophets said should come...that Christ would suffer, rise from the dead, and shew Light to the geentile along with the people. thats Pauls statement when explaining His doctrine after receiving His vision....


and yet almost every Modern " paul alone student" will argue People to the end How Paul didnt teach repentance from sin, or doing the works of repentance. which He says He taught Nothing other than That, and what the prophets and Moses said would come concerning Jesus and His death and resurrection. theres oNly 1 Gospel. there is No different Gospel. Only the Gospel of the Kingdom, Only the spirit of truth through Christ, Only the Body of Christ, the Church of which Jesus Christ, and He alone is the Head and authroity over every Matter. there is No other Gosepl than the One Gospel that Jesus Christ came to Give.


Jesus was already teaching His disciples that he would die, raise up and also Be seated at Gods right Hand, which paul also teaches. He does Not teach anything different from Jesus, as Hard as People try, One statement from Paul does Not erase all of the rest of His letters. in which you find the Gospel repentance from sin, Obedience to Jesus Christ. Grace and truth. together. Just Like Jesus taught. theres Only One way, Jesus Gave it and sealed it forever in His Blood. His death Means Nothing will ever change His words, it doesnt Mean they ended.


the Blood of the covenant is shed after all the words of the coveanant are given to the People. the Blood is then shed, and the covenant is put into effect. its backwards to pull People away from the Gospel, and call it the " real gospel" terribly misguided