The Quran is a more violent book than the Bible

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notuptome

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The bible records much of the violent history of man. The Quran promotes continuing violence in the name of their god. The Quran claims that peace can only be found through subjugation of the masses. The bible teaches freedom and peace through allowing each to serve God as He directs.

For the cause of Christ
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Magenta

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[TD]Comparing Islam and Christianity[/TD]
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[TD]Muhammad...[/TD]
[TD="width: 50%"]Jesus...[/TD]
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Said Allah does not love
those who reject Islam.
(Quran 30:45, 3:32, 22:38)
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[TD="align: center"]Said God loves everyone.
(John 3:16)
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]"I have been commanded to fight
against people till they testify that there
is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad
is the messenger of Allah"
(Muslim 1:33)
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[TD="align: center"]"He who lives by the sword
will die by the sword."
(Matthew 26:52)
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Stoned women for adultery.
(Muslim 4206)
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[TD="align: center"]"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
(John 8:7)
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Permitted stealing from unbelievers.
(Bukhari 44:668, Ibn Ishaq 764)
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[TD="align: center"]"Thou shalt not steal."
(Matthew 19:18)
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Permitted lying.
(Sahih Muslim 6303, Bukhari 49:857)
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[TD="align: center"]"Thou shalt not bear false witness."
(Matthew 19:18)
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Owned and traded slaves.
(Sahih Muslim 3901)
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[TD="align: center"]Neither owned nor traded slaves.[/TD]
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Beheaded 800 Jewish men and boys.
(Abu Dawud 4390)
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[TD="align: center"]Beheaded no one.[/TD]
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Murdered those who insulted him.
(Bukhari 56:369, 4:241)
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[TD="align: center"]Preached forgiveness.
(Matthew 18:21-22, 5:38)
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]"If then anyone transgresses
the prohibition against you,
Transgress ye likewise against him"
(Quran 2:194)
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[TD="align: center"]"If someone strikes you on the right
cheek, turn to him the other also."
(Matthew 5:39)
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Jihad in the way of Allah elevates one's position in Paradise by a hundred fold.
(Muslim 4645)
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[TD="align: center"]"Blessed are the peacemakers, for
they will be called Sons of God"
(Matthew 5:9)
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Married 13 wives and kept sex slaves.
(Bukhari 5:268, Quran 33:50)
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[TD="align: center"]Was celibate.[/TD]
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Slept with a 9-year-old child.
(Sahih Muslim 3309, Bukhari 58:236)
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[TD="align: center"]Did not have sex with children.[/TD]
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Ordered the murder of women.
(Ibn Ishaq 819, 995)
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[TD="align: center"]Never harmed a woman. [/TD]
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]"O you who believe! Fight those of the
unbelievers who are near to you
and let them find in you hardness."
(Quran 9:123)
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[TD="align: center"]"Blessed are the meek, for
they shall inherit the earth."
(Matthew 5:5)
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Ordered 65 military campaigns
and raids in his last 10 years.
(Ibn Ishaq )
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[TD="align: center"]Ordered no military campaigns, nor
offered any approval of war or violence.
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Killed captives taken in battle.
(Ibn Ishaq 451)
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[TD="align: center"]Never took captives.
Never killed anyone.
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Encouraged his men to rape enslaved women.
(Abu Dawood 2150, Quran 4:24)
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[TD="align: center"]Never encouraged rape.
Never enslaved women.
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Demanded captured slaves and
a fifth of all other loot taken in war.
(Quran 8:41)
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[TD="align: center"]"The Son of Man came not
to be served, but to serve."
(Matthew 20:28)
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Was never tortured, but tortured others.
(Muslim 4131, Ibn Ishaq 436, 595, 734, 764)
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[TD="align: center"]Suffered torture, but never tortured anyone.[/TD]
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]"And fight them until there is no more persecution and religion is only for Allah"
(Quran 8:39)
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[TD="align: center"]"Love your enemies and pray
for those who persecute you"
(Matthew 5:44)
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Blessed the brutal murder of a half-blind man
(al-Tabari 1440)
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[TD="align: center"]Healed a blind man
(Mark 8:28)
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Ordered a slave to build the very pulpit
from which he preached Islam.
(Bukhari 47:743)
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[TD="align: center"]Washed his disciples feet.
(John 13:5)
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]What are the Greatest Commandments?
"Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause"
(Muslim 1:149)
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[TD="align: center"]What are the Greatest Commandments?
"Love God and love thy neighbor as thyself."
(Matthew 22:34-40)
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Demanded the protection of armed bodyguards, even in a house of worship
(Quran 4:102)
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[TD="align: center"]Chastised anyone attempting
to defend him with force.
(John 18:10-12)
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Died fat and wealthy from what was
taken from others in war or
demanded from others in tribute.
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[TD="align: center"]Demanded nothing for himself.
Died without possessions.
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Advocated crucifying others.
(Quran 5:33, Muslim 16:4131)
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[TD="align: center"]Was crucified himself.[/TD]
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]According to his followers:
Had others give their lives for him.
(Sahih Muslim 4413)
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[TD="align: center"]According to his followers:
Gave his life for others.
(John 18:11 and elsewhere)
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http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/jesus-muhammad.aspx
 

Magenta

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[TD]The Religion of Peace?[/TD]
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[TD="class: quran-cell"]Ten Obvious Reasons Why Islam is Not a Religion of Peace[/TD]
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[TD]18,000 deadly terror attacks committed explicitly in the name of Islam in just the last ten years. (Other religions combined for perhaps a dozen or so).

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[TD]Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, had people killedfor insulting him or for criticizing his religion. This included women.

Muslims are told to
emulate the example of Muhammad.
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[TD]Muhammad said in many places that he has been"ordered by Allah to fight men until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is his messenger." In the last nine years of his life, he ordered no less than 65 military campaigns to do exactly that.

Muhammad inspired his men to war with the basest of motives, using captured
loot, sex and a gluttonous paradise as incentives. He beheaded captives,enslaved children and raped women captured in battle. Again, Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad.
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[TD]After Muhammad died, the people who lived with him and knew his religion best immediately fell into war with each other.

Fatima, Muhammad's favorite daughter, survived the early years among the unbelievers at Mecca safe and sound, yet died of stress from the persecution of fellow Muslims only
six months after her father died. She even miscarried Muhammad's grandchild after having her ribs broken by the man who became the second caliph.

Fatima's husband Ali, who was the second convert to Islam and was raised like a son to Muhammad, fought a civil war against an army raised by Aisha, Muhammad's favorite wife - and one whom he had said was a "
perfect woman." 10,000 Muslims were killed in a single battle waged less than 25 years after Muhammad's death.

Three of the first four Muslim rulers (caliphs) were murdered. All of them were among Muhammad's closest companions. The third caliph was killed by allies of the son of the first (who was murdered by the fifth caliph a few years later, then wrapped in the skin of a dead donkey and burned). The fourth caliph (Ali) was stabbed to death after a bitter dispute with the fifth. The fifth caliph went on to poison one of Muhammad's two favorite grandsons. The other grandson was later beheaded by the sixth caliph.

The infighting and power struggles between Muhammad's family members, closest companions and their children only intensified with time. Within 50 short years of Muhammad's death, even the Kaaba, which had stood for centuries under pagan religion, lay in ruins from internal Muslim war...

And that's just the fate of those within the house of Islam!
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[TD]Muhammad directed Muslims to wage war on other religions and bring them under submission to Islam. Within the first few decades following his death, his Arabian companions invaded and conquered Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist and Zoroastrian lands. A mere 25 years after Muhammad's death, Muslim armies had captured land and people within the borders of over 28 modern countries outside of Saudi Arabia.
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[TD]Muslims continued their Jihad against other religions for 1400 years, checked only by the ability of non-Muslims to defend themselves. To this day, not a week goes by that Islamic fundamentalists do not attempt to kill Christians, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists explicitly in the name of Allah.

None of these other religions are at war with each other.
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[TD]Islam is the only religion that has to retain its membership by formally threatening to kill anyone who leaves. This is according to the example set by Muhammad.
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[TD]Islam teaches that non-Muslims are less than fully human. Muhammad said that Muslims can be put to death for murder, but that a Muslim could never be put to death for killing a non-Muslim.
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[TD]The Quran never once speaks of Allah's love for non-Muslims, but it speaks of Allah's cruelty toward and hatred of non-Muslims more than 500 times.
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[TD]"Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar!"
(The last words from the cockpit of Flight 93)
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Ten Reasons Why Islam is NOT a Religion of Peace
 

Magenta

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[TD="class: quran-cell"]The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, the verses of violence in the Quran are mostly open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by the historical context of the surrounding text (although many Muslims choose to think of them that way). They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subject to interpretation as anything else in the Quran.
The context of violent passages is more ambiguous than might be expected of a perfect book from a loving God. Most contemporary Muslims exercise a personal choice to interpret their holy book's call to arms according to their own moral preconceptions about justifiable violence. Their apologists cater to these preferences with tenuous arguments that gloss over historical fact and generally do not stand up to scrutiny. Still, it is important to note that the problem is not bad people, but bad ideology.
Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to abrogate or even balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. Muhammad's own martial legacy, along with the remarkable stress on violence found in the Quran, have produced a trail of blood and tears across world history.[/TD]
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Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)" (Translation is from the Noble Quran) The verse prior to this (190) refers to "fighting for the cause of Allah those who fight you" leading some to believe that the entire passage refers to a defensive war in which Muslims are defending their homes and families. The
historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, however, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). Verse 190 thus means to fight those who offer resistance to Allah's rule (ie. Muslim conquest). The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is disingenuous (the actual Arabic words for persecution - "idtihad" - and oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do not appear in the verse). The word used instead, "fitna", can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. This is certainly what is meant in this context since the violence is explicitly commissioned "until religion is for Allah" - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.

Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.

Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. This is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.

Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home).Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward " This passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes. It also demolishes the modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is this Arabic word (mujahiduna) used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad, which would not make sense if it meant an internal struggle).

Quran (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..." Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?

Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.

Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah" Some translations interpret "fitna" as "persecution", but the traditional understanding of this word is not supported by the historical context (See notes for 2:193). The Meccans were simply refusing Muhammad access to their city during Haj. Other Muslims were allowed to travel there - just not as an armed group, since Muhammad had declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction. The Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion, since it was Muhammad's intention to destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did). Hence the critical part of this verse is to fight until "religion is only for Allah", meaning that the true justification of violence was the unbelief of the opposition. According to the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324) Muhammad further explains that "Allah must have no rivals."

Quran (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."

Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land..."

Quran (8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy."

Quran (8:65) - "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..."


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The Quran's Verses of Violence
 

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(Cont'd)

Quran (9:5)
- "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them." According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence is to convert to Islam (prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religion's Five Pillars). This popular claim that the Quran only inspires violence within the context of self-defense is seriously challenged by this passage as well, since the Muslims to whom it was written were obviously not under attack. Had they been, then there would have been no waiting period (earlier verses make it a duty for Muslims to fight in self-defense, even during the sacred months). The historical context is Mecca after the idolaters were subjugated by Muhammad and posed no threat. Once the Muslims had power, they violently evicted those unbelievers who would not convert.

Quran (9:14) - "Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people." Humiliating and hurting non-believers not only has the blessing of Allah, but it is ordered as a means of carrying out his punishment and even "healing" the hearts of Muslims.

Quran (9:20) - "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant." The Arabic word interpreted as "striving" in this verse is the same root as "Jihad". The context is obviously holy war.

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." "People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews. According to this verse, they are to be violently subjugated, with the sole justification being their religious status. Verse 9:33 tells Muslims that Allah has charted them to make Islam "superior over all religions."This chapter was one of the final "revelations" from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad's companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.


Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

Quran (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place." This is a warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell.

Quran (9:41) - "Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew." See also the verse that follows (9:42) - "If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would (all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long, (and weighed) on them" This contradicts the myth that Muslims are to fight only in self-defense, since the wording implies that battle will be waged a long distance from home (in another country and on Christian soil, in this case, according to the historians).


Quran (9:73) - "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination." Dehumanizing those who reject Islam, by reminding Muslims that unbelievers are merely firewood for Hell, makes it easier to justify slaughter. It also explains why today's devout Muslims have little regard for those outside the faith.

Quran (9:88) - "But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper."


Quran (9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme." How does the Quran define a true believer?

Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

Quran (17:16) - "And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction." Note that the crime is moral transgression, and the punishment is "utter destruction." (Before ordering the 9/11 attacks, Osama bin Laden first issued Americans an invitation to Islam).

Quran (18:65-81) - This parable lays the theological groundwork for honor killings, in which a family member is murdered because they brought shame to the family, either through apostasy or perceived moral indiscretion. The story (which is not found in any Jewish or Christian source) tells of Moses encountering a man with "special knowledge" who does things which don't seem to make sense on the surface, but are then justified according to later explanation. One such action is to murder a youth for no apparent reason (74). However, the wise man later explains that it was feared that the boy would "grieve" his parents by "disobedience and ingratitude." He was killed so that Allah could provide them a 'better' son. (Note: This is one reason why honor killing is sanctioned by Sharia. Reliance of the Traveler (Umdat al-Saliq) says that punishment for murder is not applicable when a parent or grandparent kills their offspring (o.1.1-2).)

Quran (21:44) - "We gave the good things of this life to these men and their fathers until the period grew long for them; See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?"

Quran (25:52) - "Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness..." "Strive against" is Jihad - obviously not in the personal context. It's also significant to point out that this is a Meccan verse.

Quran (33:60-62) - "If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while. Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter." This passage sanctions the slaughter (rendered "merciless" and "horrible murder" in other translations) against three groups: Hypocrites (Muslims who refuse to "fight in the way of Allah" (3:167) and hence don't act as Muslims should), those with "diseased hearts" (which include Jews and Christians 5:51-52), and "alarmists" or "agitators who include those who merely speak out against Islam, according to Muhammad's biographers. It is worth noting that the victims are to be sought out by Muslims, which is what today's terrorists do. If this passage is meant merely to apply to the city of Medina, then it is unclear why it is included in Allah's eternal word to Muslim generations.

Quran (47:3-4) - "Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord... So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah's Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives)... If it had been Allah's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost." Those who reject Allah are to be killed in Jihad. The wounded are to be held captive for ransom. The only reason Allah doesn't do the dirty work himself is to to test the faithfulness of Muslims. Those who kill pass the test.

Quran (47:35) - "Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost(Shakir: "have the upper hand") for Allah is with you,"

Quran (48:17) - "There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom." Contemporary apologists sometimes claim that Jihad means 'spiritual struggle.' Is so, then why are the blind, lame and sick exempted? This verse also says that those who do not fight will suffer torment in hell.

Quran (48:29) - "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves" Islam is not about treating everyone equally. This verse tells Muslims that there are two very distinct standards that are applied based on religious status. Also the word used for 'hard' or 'ruthless' in this verse shares the same root as the word translated as 'painful' or severe' to describe Hell in over 25 other verses including 65:10, 40:46 and 50:26..

Quran (61:4) - "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way" Religion of Peace, indeed! The verse explicitly refers to "battle array" meaning that it is speaking of physical conflict. This is followed by (61:9): "He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist." (See next verse, below). Infidels who resist Islamic rule are to be fought.

Quran (61:10-12) - "O You who believe! Shall I guide you to a commerce that will save you from a painful torment. That you believe in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad), and that you strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives, that will be better for you, if you but know! (If you do so) He will forgive you your sins, and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow, and pleasant dwelling in Gardens of'Adn- Eternity ['Adn(Edn) Paradise], that is indeed the great success." This verse refers to physical battle in order to make Islam victorious over other religions (see above). It uses the Arabic word, Jihad.

Quran (66:9) - "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end." The root word of "Jihad" is used again here. The context is clearly holy war, and the scope of violence is broadened to include "hypocrites" - those who call themselves Muslims but do not act as such. Other verses calling Muslims to Jihad can be found here at AnsweringIslam.org

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx
 

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[TD]Differences Between Early Muslims and Christians[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Muhammad's Companions...
[/TD]
[TD]Jesus's Disciples...
[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD="align: center"]Lived as warriors.[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Lived like harmless hippies.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Slew and persecuted religious minorities.[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Were slain and persecuted
as a religious minority.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Emphasis on Jihad (the way of Muhammad)

"He who fights that Allah's word should
be superior fights in Allah's cause"

(Bukhari 53:355)
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Emphasis on Evangelism (the way of Jesus)

"Go ye into all the world and preach
the gospel to every creature"

(Matthew 15:16)
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Attacked and conquered the populations in
parts of 28 modern countries in just the first
three decades following Muhammad's death.
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Did not resort to violence of any sort,
despite tremendous persecution.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Declared holy war on the people of five
major world religions in just the first
100 years following Muhammad's death.
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Went centuries without declaring 'holy war'.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Plundered and lived off the wealth of others.[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Gave away their possessions to those in need.
(Acts 2:44-45)
[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD="align: center"]Captured and enslaved non-Muslim people.[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Considered themselves to be slaves of others.[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD="align: center"]Waged war to keep members from leaving
the religion. Put apostates to death.
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]No record of aggression toward apostates.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Muhammad's own family members quickly
fell into armed warfare against each other.
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Jesus' disciples never resorted to violence
against one another (or anyone else).
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]First 240 Years:
11 of the first 32 caliphs were
murdered by fellow Muslims.
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]First 240 Years:
14 of the first 25 popes were martyred by
pagans (none by fellow Christians).
[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Caliphs were polygamous and maintained harems of hundreds of captured sex slaves.[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Popes were expected to be celibate.[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD="align: center"]Islamic mosques sustained by taxes forced from subjugated non-Muslims (the jizya).[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Christian churches sustained
by voluntary tithes from Christians.
[/TD]
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[TD]Differences Between
Islamic Teaching and Christianity
[/TD]
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[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]The Quran
[/TD]
[TD]The Bible
[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]External sources (the Hadith and Sira) necessary for translating the Quran[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Historical context contained
within the text of the Bible
[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]Must know Arabic in order to "fully understand" the Quran (according to Muslim apologists)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Universal. Can be translated into other languages without excessive commentary.[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD="align: center"]Chronological progression of the
Quran is from peace to violence.
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Chronological progression of the
Bible is from violence to peace.
[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]The words 'torture' and 'punishment' appear six
times more often in the Quran than in the New Testament.
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]The word 'love' appears five times more often in the New Testament than than in the Quran,[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]Contains not a single original moral value.[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]The 'Sermon on the Mount' and others.[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"]Suffering is an excuse for violent revenge
and establishment of Islam by force"And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]...and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."
(Quran 2:191)
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Suffering builds character"We also rejoice in our sufferings,
because we know that suffering
produces perseverance; perseverance,
character; and character, hope"

(Romans 5:4)
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Emphasis on this World"And Allah has made you heirs to their land
and their dwellings and their property"

(Quran 33:27)
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Emphasis on the Next"Mine is not a kingdom of this world"
(John 18:36, see also Luke 14:33)
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Kill, convert or subjugate Christians and Jews.
(Quran 9:29)
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Share one's faith with gentleness and respect.
(1 Peter 3:15)
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Martyrs as Killers

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain"
(Quran 9:111)
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Martyrs as Martyrs

"As it is written, For thy sake we are
killed all the day long; we are
counted as sheep for the slaughter"

(Romans 8:36)
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Killing Apostates

"They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them"
(Quran 4:89, also Bukhari 52:260, 83:37...)
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Letting God Judge Apostates

"For we know Him that has said,
'Vengeance belongs unto me, I will
recompense,' says the Lord. And again,
'The Lord shall judge his people'"

(Hebrews 10:25-30)
[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Punishment"Let not compassion move you
from carrying out God's law..."

(Quran 24:2)
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Mercy"Love is patient. Love is kind...
It keeps no record of wrongs"

(1 Corinthians 13:4-5)
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Charity and Non-BelieversMercy toward fellow Muslims - ruthlessness toward unbelievers. Muslims are warned not to befriend those outside the faith. They must even ensure that their charity tithe (zakat)
stays within their own identity group.
(Quran 48:29, 3:28, Sharia)
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Charity and Non-BelieversChristians are specifically told that even
those who hate them are entitled to
kindness and charity. They should be loved
and cared for as surely as any fellow believer.
(Mark 10:25-37)
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]The Qur'an explicitly instructs
men to beat disobedient wives.
(Quran 4:34, Sahih Muslim 2127)
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]"Husbands, love your wives and
do not be harsh with them."

(No permission to beat women)
(Colossians 3:19)
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Explicitly allows Muslim men to rape their female slaves, even those already married.
(Quran 4:24, 70:29-30, 23:5-6...)
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Tells masters and slaves to serve
each other as if serving God.
(Ephesians 6:7-9)
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Muhammad is the messenger
of Allah. And those who are with him
are ruthless to the unbelievers"

(Quran 48:29)
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]"Do good to them that hate you"
(Luke 6:27)
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Allah wills those that stray and are lost
(Quran 16:93)
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]God wants all people saved
(1 Timothy 2:4)
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Warns Against Questioning Faith.
(Quran 5:101-102)
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Welcomes Intellectual Challenge.
(1 Peter 3:15)
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Violence as Virtue"Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye
dislike it. But it is possible that ye
dislike a thing which is good for you, and
that ye love a thing which is bad for you.
But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

(Quran 2:216)
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Violence as Sin"Do not take revenge, my friends, but
leave room for God's wrath, for it is written:
'It is mine to avenge; I will repay,' says the Lord. On the contrary: 'If your enemy
is hungry, feed him... '"

(Romans 12:19-20)
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Hell for unbelief.
Good deeds count for naught
(Quran 18:102-107)
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Hell for bad deeds and the
failure to do what is right
(Romans 2:6-8, Matthew 16:27, Matthew 25:41-45)
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Judging"Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them..."
(Quran 9:73)
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Judge Not"For when you pass judgment on another person, you condemn yourself..."
(Romans 2:1)
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Taking wealth from others"Allah promiseth you much
booty that ye will capture..."

(Quran 48:20)
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Working for and giving wealth to others"The thief must no longer steal but must
work hard and do what is good with his
own hands, so that he might have
something to give to the needy."

(Ephesians 4:28)
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Calls down Allah's curse on Christians
and those of other religions.
(Quran 9:30)
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Calls down God's blessing on
those who curse Christians.
(Matthew 5:44)
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Arrogance & Privilege
"Ye are the best of peoples,
evolved for mankind"

(Quran 3:110)
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Humility & Servitude"If anyone wants to be first, he must make himself last of all and servant of all."
(Mark 9:35)
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]"O you who believe! do not take My
enemy and your enemy for friends:
Would you offer them love while they deny what has come to you of the truth?

(Quran 60:1)
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]"Love your enemies..."
(Luke 6:27)
[/TD]
[/TR]
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Comparing Jesus and Muhammad, Christianity and Islam
 

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[TD]Differences Between the Islamic and Christian-Based Worlds[/TD]
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[TD]Muslim Legacy
[/TD]
[TD="width: 50%"]Christian Legacy
[/TD]
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Countries that Muslims want to escape from.[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Countries that Muslims want to escape to.[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Madrassahs that indoctrinate Muslim
children with bigotry and terror.
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Mission schools that teach reading and
writing to Christians and Muslims alike.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Suicide bombings for Allah[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]No suicide bombings for Jesus[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]International terror organizations.[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]International charities.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]No formal charities for non-Muslims.[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Leading provider of disaster relief to Muslims.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Murder of aid workers.[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Supply of aid workers.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Christians in jail for apostasy or blasphemy.[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Religious freedom.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Modern-day slavery in the name of Islam.[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Abolition in the name of Christianity.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Muslim clerics who engage
in or condone terrorism.
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Christian clerics murdered each year by
terror groups rife with Muslim clerics.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Daily religious violence against Hindus.[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]None.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Daily religious violence against Jews.[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]None.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Daily religious violence against Buddhists.[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]None.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Daily religious violence against Muslims.[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]None.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Ritual slitting of animals' throats[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Ending of animal sacrifice[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Religion[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Technology & Medicine[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Censorship[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Freedom of speech[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Intolerance for criticism of Islam.[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Tolerance for religious dissent.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Restricting other religions from preaching faith.[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Allowing all religions the
same right to evangelize.
[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Conversions allowed to Islam only.[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Freedom of conscience.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Converts to Christianity beheaded.[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]No dead converts to Islam.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 50%, align: center"]Most famous Muslim: Osama bin Laden.[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Most famous Christian: The Pope.[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD]What Islam Teaches About Rape and Adultery[/TD]
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[TD]Why are rape victims often punished by Islamic courts as adulterers?

Under Islamic law, rape can only be proven if the rapist confesses or if there are four male witnesses. Women who allege rape without the benefit of the act having been witnessed by four men (who presumably develop a conscience afterwards) are actually confessing to having sex. If they or the accused happens to be married, then it is considered to be adultery.
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Quran


Quran (2:282) - Establishes that a woman's testimony is worth only half that of a man's in court (there is no "he said/she said" gridlock in Islam).
Quran (24:4) - "And those who accuse free women then do not bring four witnesses (to adultery), flog them..." Strictly speaking, this verse addresses adultery (revealed at the very time that Muhammad's favorite wife was being accused of adultery on the basis of only three witnesses coincidentally enough). However it is a part of the theological underpinning of the Sharia rule on rape, since if there are not four male witnesses, the rape "did not occur".
Quran (24:13) - "Why did they not bring four witnesses of it? But as they have not brought witnesses they are liars before Allah."
Quran (2:223) - "Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will..." There is no such thing as rape in marriage, as a man is permitted unrestricted sexual access to his wives.
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Hadith and Sira


Bukhari (5:59:462) - The background for the Quranic requirement of four witnesses to adultery. Muhammad's favorite wife, Aisha, was accused of cheating [on her polygamous husband]. Three witnesses corroborated the event, but Muhammad apparently did not want to believe it, and so established the arbitrary rule that four witnesses are required.[/TD]
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Notes


Rape of Muslim women is against Islamic law - although the rape of non-Muslim women is not, if they are 'captured in battle' or bought as slaves. Even the rape of a Muslim woman is almost impossible to prove under strict Islamic law (Sharia). If the man claims that the act was consensual sex, there is very little that the woman can do to refute this. Islam places the burden of avoiding sexual encounters of any sort on the woman.

A recent fatwa from a mainstream Islamic site echoes this rule and even chides a victim of incest for complaining when she has no "evidence":
However, it is not permissible to accuse the father of rape without evidence. Indeed, the Sharee’ah put some special conditions for proving Zina (fornication or adultery) that are not required in case of other crimes. The crime of Zina is not confirmed except if the fornicator admits it, or with the testimony of four trustworthy men, while the testimony of women is not accepted.

Hence, the statement of this girl or the statement of her mother in itself does not Islamically prove anything against the father, especially that the latter denies it.

Therefore, if this daughter has no evidence to prove that her accusations are true,she should not have claimed that she was raped by her father and she should not have taken him to the court. (
IslamWeb.net, Image)
Since it is incredibly unlikely that a child molester will violate his victim in front of "four trustworthy men", Islamic law amounts to a free pass for sexual predators.
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Rape and Adultery in Islam

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A 10-year-old boy was so brutally raped by an Iraqi migrant in a swimming pool cubicle that he had to be hospitalized for his injuries.

A lifeguard immediately called an ambulance after the boy went to him in floods of tears, while the Iraqui was entertaining himself by repeatedly jumping off the three-metre diving board.

Police arrested him on the spot at the pool in Vienna, and during an interrogation, he told them that it was a 'sexual emergency' as he had not had sex in four months... he could not help himself as he had an 'excess sexual energy'.

Iraqi migrant raped a 10-year-old boy at a swimming pool in Vienna | Daily Mail Online


 
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Thank you Magenta, I might use the info my sites that you wrote. Very important,
 

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Thank you Magenta, I might use the info my sites that you wrote. Very important,
You are welcome. We should all be very concerned that these are the people we are opening our borders to... many are in great denial about what Islam means, thinking it is a religion of peace. It is an oppressive, freedom hating political system, for starters, and peace plays no part in it, nor has it from it's very inception, as put forth by Mohammed, who was accosted by a jinn (spirit) whom he did not recognize (as opposed to Scripture telling us that those whom God calls recognize His voice) and whom he later allowed his wife and another relative to convince him was the arch angel Gabriel. However, we know that verses were removed from the Koran because they were found to be Satanic in origin.
 
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The Qu'ran is indeed a violent work, but even worse that it is the Hadiths associated with it. Hundreds of scholars over the years putting their own interpretation of the verses down and THOSE being taken as the "true" interpretation of what the prophet intended or what "Gibril" really meant to say when he orated the Qu'ran to Mohammad.
 

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The difference between Christianity and Islam starts at the top: Muslims are told that their prophet Muhammad - a slave-owner, sexual glutton, thief and killer - is the most "beautiful pattern of conduct" and "example" for mankind to follow (Quran 33:21), as well as the "exalted standard of character" (Quran 68:4).

Christians are told to emulate Jesus - a pacifist and servant - and "walk, even as he walked" (1 John 2:6). Unlike Muhammad, who ordered military assaults against Christians, for example, Jesus told his followers not to resort to violence, and to pray for one's enemies.

These two men could hardly have been more different in how they lived or in what they taught others. Why should we not expect starkly contrasting legacies - from the conduct of their closest companions to the livability of modern-day countries influenced by the predominance of one founder's teachings over the other?

The two religions contrast sharply even in their positive aspects. The morality of the Quran is amateurish and frustratingly obscure for those trying to compare it with what is contained in the Bible. Most of Islam's holiest book is devoted toward distinguishing and heaping abuse on unbelievers. There are no verses that promote universal love and brotherhood. The few verses that are sometimes held up as examples of tolerance and peace generally require separation from textual and historical context.

Comparing Jesus and Muhammad, Christianity and Islam
 

Magenta

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Please watch this video on Geert Wilders, who has
been sounding the alarm on Islam for many years.


[video=youtube;wWF8W-RZzeY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWF8W-RZzeY[/video]
 
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Tom H. C. Anderson's study conclusions that the Bible is more violent than the Quran is not true, because the different study proves that the Quran is a more violent book than the Bible.


More info: Study Bible Quran Koran war violence hate kill destroy beat

The Koran cannot promote more violence that its source, the Holy Bible.

Most of the 'violent' ayat in the Koran are merely paraphrased from the Biblical Book of Revelation, and brought repeatedly to the fore...
 

Magenta

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The Koran cannot promote more violence that its source, the Holy Bible.

Most of the 'violent' ayat in the Koran are merely paraphrased from the Biblical Book of Revelation, and brought repeatedly to the fore...
You are terribly deceived to say such a thing. But it is not the first time I've seen it from you, either.
 

Dude653

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Plenty of violence in the Old Testament too. ..just sayin...