The Quran is a more violent book than the Bible
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So you studied the Qur'an on the Internet 20 years ago?? Make that 1996. We had the Internet. A search of one of the 4 main search engines could yield as many as 3 or 4 hits. There was one search engine (I forget the name) that was all scholarly sources.
So either you are mistaken, lying or exaggerating for the sake of effect - you know, hyperbole. Because people just didn't study things very much on the Internet 20 years ago. A few things, but not the absurd number of things we find today.
So which is it, Bowman, lying, mistaken or hyperbole?
It seems to me like you probably started studying Arabic and the Qur'an long before it was available on the Internet. Please feel free to correct me. I've just seen you promote the Qu'ran as being "biblical" too many times.
The Qur'an is a book of hearsay, that Muhammad wove into his delightful little lies, and instructions to both follow him, being peaceful in the beginning, escalating to inciting violence in the last half of the Qur'an. Sorry, the Bible is quite different, it starts off with a bedraggled group of God's people entering the promised land and becoming violent against the Caananites, accelerating in the time of David, and Solmon as God blessed his chosen people. And then more violence , but against his people, which God allowed because his people were worshipping other gods, with prophets warning. Followed by Jesus in the New Testament, allowing himself to die for our sins, and then the birth and spread of the church, finished off by John's vision in Revelation.
So the Qur'an totally misses all the history, from the time of creation, Noah, Abraham, God's people, King David, King Solomon, the divided Kingdom, moving down to the capture and total dispersal of Israel in 722 BC and then Judah in 536 BC. Then the return of Judah to Jerusalem, (being conquered by the Greeks, then Romans - history, but not in the Bible) and on to Jesus and the church.
Just what part of the Qur'an has all that history in it? You know, the history of the Jews. The bulk of the Old Testament.
Where in the Qur'an is Jesus portrayed as God and the Saviour of the world? Because I talked to an Imam from Egypt, who not only knew the Qur'an in Arabic, but had also memorized the whole thing, and when questioned, he denied that God would ever come to earth as a man, because God was only transcendent. He said, it was not in God to be born as a man, according to the Qur'an.
Enough with your nonsense worship of the Qur'an. Spend some time on Jesus, and you will not go far wrong.
Its option #3.
You misread my comment.
I have studied Koranic Arabic for the past 20 years, offline....not online, like most people.
Like....where, for example?
No one named 'Muhammad' had anything at all to do with the Koran, according to the Koran.
Looks like you are getting your false info from the internet...and from followers of islam.
That would be like Christians asking Jews how to interpret the OT.
The Koran paraphrases Biblical material, and refers the reader back to the Holy Bible...just as I have always stated.
You misread my comment.
I have studied Koranic Arabic for the past 20 years, offline....not online, like most people.
Like....where, for example?
No one named 'Muhammad' had anything at all to do with the Koran, according to the Koran.
Looks like you are getting your false info from the internet...and from followers of islam.
That would be like Christians asking Jews how to interpret the OT.
The Koran paraphrases Biblical material, and refers the reader back to the Holy Bible...just as I have always stated.
Here, from the Koran, Jesus is stated to be God:
Jesus Knows the Hour
Twice, in sura 43, Jesus Christ (i.e. the Son), is accurately described as possessing knowledge of The Resurrection…
ولما ضرب ابن مريم مثلا إذا قومك منه يصدون وقالوا ءألهتنا خير أم هو ما ضربوه لك إلا جدلابل هم قوم خصمون إن هو إلا عبد أنعمنا عليه وجعلنه مثلا لبني إسرءيل ولو نشاء لجعلنا منكم ملئكة في الأرض يخلفون وإنه لعلم للساعة فلا تمترن بها واتبعون هذا صرط مستقيم
And only Mary's Son,held up (as) a sign on your nation, from Him they start raising clamor. And they said: "Are our gods better or He?”That they set Him forth to you except disputation, butt hey, a nation(of) contentious people. Indeed He except a slave; we have bestowed blessings on Him,and we made Hima signto Israel’s sons. And if we will, truly we made from your angels upon the earth,they succeed. And truly He (has)knowledge toThe Resurrection,so have no doubt on account of it, and follow Me, this exact right path. (43.57 – 61)
Here, only Jesus Christ is described as being a sign to the people.
Jesus is stated to be an exception (i.e. in a class all by Himself, via “illa”) both to the disputing people, and also as a mere slave.
Jesus is shown to be in deity status as He is compared against the people’s gods. Further, Jesus is stated to have angels upon the earth, and that He possesses indisputable knowledge regarding the Resurrection.
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قل إن كان للرحمن ولد فأنا أول العبدين سبحن رب السموت والأرض رب العرش عما يصفون فذرهم يخوضوا ويلعبوا حتى يلقوا يومهم الذي يوعدون وهو الذي في السماء إله وفي الأرض إله وهو الحكيم العليم وتبارك الذي له ملك السموت والأرض وما بينهما وعنده علم الساعة وإليه ترجعون ولا يملك الذين يدعون من دونه الشفعة إلا من شهد بالحق وهم يعلمون
Say: "Indeed on account of the most merciful Son, so I myselfthe worshippers'first.” Glory be to the heavens and the earth’s Lord, the throne's Lord,from what they ascribe. So leave them alone; they indulged and they jest until they meettheir day whom they were threatened. And He, whom upon the cloud,God, and upon the earth,God,and He,the wise, the one who knows.Andexaltedwhomcertainly His, King (of)the heavens and the earth and what is between them and with Him is the knowledge of the Resurrection,and to Him you are taken back.And has no power to prevail whom they call from superior to Him, The Intercession,except He;He bore witness on account of The Truth and them,they know. (43.81- 86)
Again, sura 43 proclaims that the Son (i.e. Jesus Christ) possesses knowledge of the Resurrection (AAilmu alssaAAati).
Jesus Christ, the subject of these ayahs, also has these things revealed about Him:
- Jesus is worshiped as the Most Merciful
- Jesus is Lord of the heavens and earth
- Jesus is King of the heavens and earth
- Jesus is Lord of the Throne
- Jesus is God upon the Cloud
- Jesus is God upon the Earth
- Jesus is The Intercession
- Jesus is The Witness
- Jesus is The Truth
- None are superior to Him
- Jesus takes back those who are His on the Day of Resurrection
Not surprisingly, these ayahs are proclaiming Jesus’ return on a Cloud, on the Day of the First Resurrection, just as found in Revelation chapter fourteen.
Non-sequitur.
You know as well as I that the Jesus of the Koran IS NOT the Jesus of the New Testament.
Our Jesus is God in the flesh who died on the cross for our sins.
2 Corinthians 11:3-4 KJVS
[3] But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. [4] For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him .
Our Jesus is God in the flesh who died on the cross for our sins.
2 Corinthians 11:3-4 KJVS
[3] But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. [4] For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him .
-The authors of the Koran said they copied their material from the Holy Bible...and we can easily see that they used the Gospels and the Book of Revelation extensively....thus, the Koran is most certainly talking about the Biblical Jesus Christ.
You should embrace the fact that an extra-Biblical source says the same things that our Bible does...
As copied into the Koran, as well...
You should embrace the fact that an extra-Biblical source says the same things that our Bible does...
As copied into the Koran, as well...
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I'm halfway through the documentary. It's very good but it could do without the doomsday background music. LOL
I knew Islam's 'holy' prophet was bad news, but wow! Not only was he a possessed madman/pervert but he was also an angry megalomaniac warlord with a god complex who in many ways acted like every two-bit cult leader since his time. Want to do something? Say God gave you new revelation. Redact old revelations from 'God'? Say Satan was trying to trick you. Yikes! What a moron.
I knew Islam's 'holy' prophet was bad news, but wow! Not only was he a possessed madman/pervert but he was also an angry megalomaniac warlord with a god complex who in many ways acted like every two-bit cult leader since his time. Want to do something? Say God gave you new revelation. Redact old revelations from 'God'? Say Satan was trying to trick you. Yikes! What a moron.