Why don't we keep the Sabbath?

[Israel]

but we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that the law is not made for the righteous man, but for those who are lawless and rebellious,..........

it does not matter what i think, i have heard from the spirit that i must walk by faith in his holiness as my holiness and his righteousness as my righteousness, and not the law.

I don't argue that. Nor am I arguing of the letter of the law. But we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

The 10 commandments are the laws written in our hearts. Thery are spiritual and forever. I don't need a book to tell me that to take something that doesn't belong to me is wrong. I don't need anyone to tell me that to murder is wrong. It's already in me to know. And this is the spirit law of God. Now it's truly amazing that the only commandment of the ten specifically told to us to keep perpetually; FOREVER, is the one we are so rebellious to keep! To be guilty of one is to be guilty of them all!

Isaiah 66:17

They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.

We are purified by the blood of Jesus. We are sanctified by God. How do we know that it is the living God that sanctifies us?

Exodus 31:13

Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

 

[flyboy01]

I asked my pastor this question. Sabbath means peace. So the law was to keep the sabbath (peace) Holy. We rested from our works on the sabbath as it was a day of peace.

But since the Holy Ghost fell on the day of Pentecost and God's Spirit dwells within us. It gives us peace. It gives us rest from ourselves.



I would like to focus on verse 10 here "For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his."
So since the Holy Ghost gives us rest and peace (sabbath) then we must keep ourselves Holy.

This is my best understanding of the topic.

Means rest, not peace.

 

[Israel]

There are some things that I don't understand about the Sabbath, but one thing I know is that in the Old Testament if you didn't keep it you would be put to death, just like if you committed adultery.....So don't you think that if it was still that important then were it says in 1 Corinthians 6:9 that the adulters, fornicators, effeminate, etc would not inherite the kingdom of God, it would have also included the non-Sabbath keepers. Just my thoughts.

It's not mentioned because because those who obey the Sabbath are spiritually inside the gates of the city.

Revelation 22:14-15

Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

what do you people think about mathew 24 :20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: why would it be an issue if it happend on the sabbath

Read Proverbs 31 for a start.

 

[livingbygrace]

define fufil.

Jesus fulfilled the righteous requirements of the law by becoming a sin offering for us.

In the New Testament nine of the Ten Commandments are repeated as a need to be followed, keeping the Sabbath isn't as far as I know.

One man considers one day more sacred than another, another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. Rom14:5

 

[livingbygrace]

I don't argue that. Nor am I arguing of the letter of the law. But we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

The 10 commandments are the laws written in our hearts.


Can you give me the scripture verse that actually says that it is the Ten Commandments that are specifically written on our hearts?

By writing His laws on our hearts(the ones that matters to God,) it simply means that we in our hearts want to live as God would have us live. This does not mean a certain list of commandments or laws are ingrained in our heads. In such circumstances we do not need the written law. We are free to live by faith in Christ which is our one and only righteousness.

 

[livingbygrace]

It's not mentioned because because those who obey the Sabbath are spiritually inside the gates of the city.

Revelation 22:14-15

Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.



Read Proverbs 31 for a start.

I believe that quote from revelation is concerning Jesus commandments.

A rich young man asked Jesus which specific commandments must be kept to gain eternal life. Jesus did not mewntion keeping the Sabbath when he replied. The man said he had kept the commandments Jesus mentioned.
He replied.

If you want to be perfect. Go sell your possessions and give to the poor and you will have treasure in Heaven, and come follow me.
Was Jesus mistaken?

 

[Israel]

I don't argue that. Nor am I arguing of the letter of the law. But we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

The 10 commandments are the laws written in our hearts.


Can you give me the scripture verse that actually says that it is the Ten Commandments that are specifically written on our hearts?

By writing His laws on our hearts(the ones that matters to God,) it simply means that we in our hearts want to live as God would have us live. This does not mean a certain list of commandments or laws are ingrained in our heads. In such circumstances we do not need the written law. We are free to live by faith in Christ which is our one and only righteousness.

Can you list the ones that matter? And how many of those are not part of those ten commandments (the only commandments placed INSIDE the Ark)?

 

[livingbygrace]

Can you list the ones that matter? And how many of those are not part of those ten commandments (the only commandments placed INSIDE the Ark)?

You are looking at this from a totally wrong perspective. It is not obeying a certain set of rules anymore. It is about a loving relationship with God through Christ. We in our hearts now want to live as God would have us live. The battle is between the spirit and the flesh. The flesh is at war with God's Spirit in us.

Because I love God If I do something that is wrong in his eyes it grieves me, because I want to live as he would have me live. If I have an impure thought, does. 'Thou shalt not Covet' immediately come into my head? no.

If you insist on setting your eyes on any set of laws, you cannot be living truly in a loving relationship with your Father in Heaven. And you cannot yourself obey those laws anyway, no-one perfectly ever has. Why look to specific laws that can only show you you are a sinner. I would rather look to Christ in faith and thank and praise him for paying the price of me sin.

The law can only make us concious of our sin. Rom3:20

We do not have the victory over sin by knowing any specific laws or cxommandments, but by grace through faith

For sin shall not be your master for you are not under law cbut under grace. Rom6:14

 

[phil36]

You are looking at this from a totally wrong perspective. It is not obeying a certain set of rules anymore. It is about a loving relationship with God through Christ. We in our hearts now want to live as God would have us live. The battle is between the spirit and the flesh. The flesh is at war with God's Spirit in us.

Because I love God If I do something that is wrong in his eyes it grieves me, because I want to live as he would have me live. If I have an impure thought, does. 'Thou shalt not Covet' immediately come into my head? no.

If you insist on setting your eyes on any set of laws, you cannot be living truly in a loving relationship with your Father in Heaven. And you cannot yourself obey those laws anyway, no-one perfectly ever has. Why look to specific laws that can only show you you are a sinner. I would rather look to Christ in faith and thank and praise him for paying the price of me sin.

The law can only make us concious of our sin. Rom3:20

We do not have the victory over sin by knowing any specific laws or cxommandments, but by grace through faith

For sin shall not be your master for you are not under law cbut under grace. Rom6:14

Amen to that livingbygrace.

 

[livingbygrace]

Amen to that livingbygrace.

It's great to know that people are living in the freedom Christ died for.

I am often reminded of Jesus words at the end of a discussion on fasting.

And no-one after drinking the old wine wants the new, for he says 'the old is better.
'
Luke5:39

 

[Israel]

You are looking at this from a totally wrong perspective. It is not obeying a certain set of rules anymore. It is about a loving relationship with God through Christ. We in our hearts now want to live as God would have us live. The battle is between the spirit and the flesh. The flesh is at war with God's Spirit in us.

Because I love God If I do something that is wrong in his eyes it grieves me, because I want to live as he would have me live. If I have an impure thought, does. 'Thou shalt not Covet' immediately come into my head? no.

If you insist on setting your eyes on any set of laws, you cannot be living truly in a loving relationship with your Father in Heaven. And you cannot yourself obey those laws anyway, no-one perfectly ever has. Why look to specific laws that can only show you you are a sinner. I would rather look to Christ in faith and thank and praise him for paying the price of me sin.

The law can only make us concious of our sin. Rom3:20

We do not have the victory over sin by knowing any specific laws or cxommandments, but by grace through faith

For sin shall not be your master for you are not under law cbut under grace. Rom6:14

Revelation 14:

And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

What commandments of God are the saints to keep here?
Again, I do not argue with the letter of the law being fulfilled in Christ. I only state that the ten commandments are spiritual laws. 'Thou shalt not covet' should not come into your head out of love for your neighbor. I'm only stating that the Sabbath is a perpetual covenant. God said forever. Forever didn't end with Jesus' death and resurrection. I'm not talking about obeying the Sabbath commandment by the letter. That is but an image; a shadow of what's to COME. We must learn what it means to obey it in the spirit. It is THIS commandment that so many of us break.

 

[livingbygrace]

Revelation 14:

And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

What commandments of God are the saints to keep here?
Again, I do not argue with the letter of the law being fulfilled in Christ. I only state that the ten commandments are spiritual laws. 'Thou shalt not covet' should not come into your head out of love for your neighbor. I'm only stating that the Sabbath is a perpetual covenant. God said forever. Forever didn't end with Jesus' death and resurrection. I'm not talking about obeying the Sabbath commandment by the letter. That is but an image; a shadow of what's to COME. We must learn what it means to obey it in the spirit. It is THIS commandment that so many of us break.

Paul said he was under Christ's law 1Cor9:21

What did he say was Christ's law?

Carry each others burdens and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ. Gal6:2

If you want to see it that you are under law, I will not try and convince you otherwise, but please remewmber

Those who live under the law will be judged by the law. Rom2:12

For whoever keeps the whole law of God and makes just one slip is guilty of breaking all of it. James2:10

All who rely on observing the law are under a curse for it is written. Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the book of the law. Gal3:10&11

The amount of times Paul said . 'We are not under law.' Never once did he qualify that by saying the Ten Commandments were not included in those statements.

Please contemplate on this.

For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law. Rom3:28

But then Paul said

Do we then nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather we uphold the law. Rom3:31

That is the key to all of this, and is a hugely important verse to understanding the key to victory over sin in our lives

 

[Israel]

It's great to know that people are living in the freedom Christ died for.

I am often reminded of Jesus words at the end of a discussion on fasting.

And no-one after drinking the old wine wants the new, for he says 'the old is better.
'
Luke5:39

Exodus 31:15-17

Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

16Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. 17It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.



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adv. 1. For everlasting time; eternally: No one can live forever.
2. At all times; incessantly: was forever complaining about the job.

 

[livingbygrace]

Exodus 31:15-17

Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

16Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. 17It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.


So you must believe that anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death? That's a bit hard on people struggling to live and to support their families are forced to work on the Sabbath

 

[Israel]

I believe that quote from revelation is concerning Jesus commandments.

A rich young man asked Jesus which specific commandments must be kept to gain eternal life. Jesus did not mewntion keeping the Sabbath when he replied. The man said he had kept the commandments Jesus mentioned.
He replied.

If you want to be perfect. Go sell your possessions and give to the poor and you will have treasure in Heaven, and come follow me.
Was Jesus mistaken?

That's Jesus talking through the angel in Revelation about His God and our God.

 

[livingbygrace]

That's Jesus talking through the angel in Revelation about His God and our God.

I tell you what. You rely on lawkeeping, Ill rely on faith in Christ. I'll live by grace, you livev by works

 

[Israel]

Exodus 31:15-17

Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

16Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. 17It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.


So you must believe that anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death? That's a bit hard on people struggling to live and to support their families are forced to work on the Sabbath

I said of the spirit! Going to work has nothing to do with it. We must rest from the work of images! God said make no similitude of Him. God is Spirit. His Sabbath day is also spiritual. Please rest on it. Why else must we be circumcised on the eighth day? And I'm not talking about the foreskin of the flesh.

 

[livingbygrace]

I said of the spirit! Going to work has nothing to do with it. We must rest from the work of images! God said make no similitude of Him. God is Spirit. His Sabbath day is also spiritual. Please rest on it. Why else must we be circumcised on the eighth day? And I'm not talking about the foreskin of the flesh.

It is we whoi are the circumcised. We who worship by the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and who put no confidence in the flesh. Phil3:3

But there is an offence of the cross

Brothers if I still preach circucision(ie law) why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offencve of the cross has been removed. Gal5:11

Jesus was harassed as law breaker, by religious people, and they were responsible for him being crucified.

Steven the first Christian martyr was arrested and dragged before the sanhedrin and stoned to death, by religious people, one of the reasons? He was ignoring the law. Forv this reason too the Apostle Paul was persecuted and finally arrested.

Nothing has changed in two thousand years, because human nature will never change. The Pharisees were a proud people, they could not accept the grace that was on offer. They wanted a righteousness they had earned.

Not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law but that which is by faith in Christ, the righteousness that comes from God and is by faith Phil2:9

Christians wioll always be attacked over the law, they must be, ass they were in the early church. The root of this is because whatever people say they want to believe they have done somerthing to earn their way to Heaven, they want some of the credit, it is only God's to have

 

[Israel]

It is we whoi are the circumcised. We who worship by the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and who put no confidence in the flesh. Phil3:3

But there is an offence of the cross

Brothers if I still preach circucision(ie law) why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offencve of the cross has been removed. Gal5:11

Jesus was harassed as law breaker, by religious people, and they were responsible for him being crucified.

Steven the first Christian martyr was arrested and dragged before the sanhedrin and stoned to death, by religious people, one of the reasons? He was ignoring the law. Forv this reason too the Apostle Paul was persecuted and finally arrested.

Nothing has changed in two thousand years, because human nature will never change. The Pharisees were a proud people, they could not accept the grace that was on offer. They wanted a righteousness they had earned.

Not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law but that which is by faith in Christ, the righteousness that comes from God and is by faith Phil2:9

Christians wioll always be attacked over the law, they must be, ass they were in the early church. The root of this is because whatever people say they want to believe they have done somerthing to earn their way to Heaven, they want some of the credit, it is only God's to have

Jeremiah 9:25-26

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will punish all them which are circumcised with the uncircumcised;
26Egypt, and Judah, and Edom, and the children of Ammon, and Moab, and all that are in the utmost corners, that dwell in the wilderness: for all these nations are uncircumcised, and all the house of Israel are uncircumcised in the heart.

Do you know what these verses mean? Now think of the verses you posted and apply it next time you think of a muslim or a Jew. We are ALL the body of Christ in the spirit! Even in the title of a Christian we are not to put our confidence in.

 

[livingbygrace]

Jeremiah 9:25-26

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will punish all them which are circumcised with the uncircumcised;
26Egypt, and Judah, and Edom, and the children of Ammon, and Moab, and all that are in the utmost corners, that dwell in the wilderness: for all these nations are uncircumcised, and all the house of Israel are uncircumcised in the heart.

Do you know what these verses mean? Now think of the verses you posted and apply it next time you think of a muslim or a Jew. We are ALL the body of Christ in the spirit! Even in the title of a Christian we are not to put our confidence in.

I am sorry if I have offended you. I don't think this conversation is getting anywhere, so I will withdraw from it

God Bless