Why do so many Christians hate Obama?

[Matalica]

I've got two coworkers, both professed Christians, both have stated it would be wonderful to see Obama taken care of physicaly and with a lot of racial slurs, it's disgusting to hear them talk.

Then I see these Tea Party movements where they are now turning violent, a lot of tea partiers are christians, go to church.

I haven't seen any single religious authority come out and tell these christians to stop being so hateful and violent.

It makes me ashamed to be a Christian when I see Christians acting like this, and on top of that going totally against what the early church taught and that was love and compassion for everyone, not just those who already have health insurance or fat bank accounts.

Matt

 

[QuestionTime]

Re: Why do so many Heathens hate Obama?

I've got two coworkers, both professed Christians, both have stated it would be wonderful to see Obama taken care of physicaly and with a lot of racial slurs, it's disgusting to hear them talk.

Well, the Bible says they aren't Christians (1 John 2:4), so maybe share that scripture with these co-workers.

Furthermore, by going around and calling them Christians and telling us and the rest of the world how terrible they are, you are making Christ look bad and causing Christians to be hated. Please stop this now. They are not Christians, they are heathens and that is what heathens do.

Then I see these Tea Party movements where they are now turning violent, a lot of tea partiers are christians, go to church.

They are not Christians. Please see 1 John 2:4. Also, I don't hear of any of this stuff occurring. Christians do not behave in the manner you describe. Other than the gun toting types, I have seen nothing but good come out of groups that are raising awareness of government lies and corruption. I have not seen violence come out of them, but there are many well documented occurrences where undercover police have joined the peaceful crowd and then started raising a ruckus to make the peaceful demonstrators look bad. This is then played out on the evening news so that these demonstrators can be made to look like homegrown terrorists.

I haven't seen any single religious authority come out and tell these christians to stop being so hateful and violent.

It makes me ashamed to be a Christian when I see Christians acting like this, and on top of that going totally against what the early church taught and that was love and compassion for everyone, not just those who already have health insurance or fat bank accounts.

Matt

Love and compassion for everyone is tempered with right and wrong. Paul had many bad things to say about people who were corrupting the church. Jesus ripped into the Pharisees and Scribes hypocrisy.

The Bible does say repeatedly that God loves those who obey Him. Not just everyone the same. Yes, there is a general love for all mankind, but a special love for those who love Him back. It is normal to love less those things we must part with.

I would suggest you Google info about the "Clergy Response Teams" which are employed by the government to help them manipulate the people with scripture into obedience in times of crisis. It's very frightening indeed.

Also, here is an old thread on this very topic that should provide all of the answers you require:

http://christianchat.com/showthread.php?t=11807&highlight=obama

Quest

 

[1still_waters]

Probably his stances on abortion and gay marriage for one. Doesn't give folks a right to hate and slander a guy though.

 

[phil36]

I've got two coworkers, both professed Christians, both have stated it would be wonderful to see Obama taken care of physicaly and with a lot of racial slurs, it's disgusting to hear them talk.

Then I see these Tea Party movements where they are now turning violent, a lot of tea partiers are christians, go to church.

I haven't seen any single religious authority come out and tell these christians to stop being so hateful and violent.

It makes me ashamed to be a Christian when I see Christians acting like this, and on top of that going totally against what the early church taught and that was love and compassion for everyone, not just those who already have health insurance or fat bank accounts.

Matt

Hi Matt,

That is an interesting point you make about health care. I am not too sure how it works in the states, here we have what we call "the welfare state" this includes free health care for all, free housing for those not working (their rent gets paid), Benefits, ie. Money to live on, and all parents get Child allowance, or child tax credits as its called now, this is money for your kids.

I am not saying that it all works perfectly, but what I am saying is, I am more than willing to pay the tax etc that I do, to make sure that those who have not got, get!

Dont get me wrong it is not a fortune they get, I think a single person gets £54 a week (roughly $80) and their rent paid plus free medical car and medicine, and that medical care is the same as anyone else. if you work you still get free medical care but you only pay a nominal fee for your medice £4 in Scotland and it doesnt matter how much the drug cost. (its free if you are in hospital.)

We are not a Christian country in the UK, but I am glad we still have an ethic of looking after our poor. alot of people still moan about this, but I am pleased that we do.

I think it is wrong to deny anyone help. just because it might hurt your pocket.

In Love

Phil

 

[livingbygrace]

It seem to me that many Christians in America do not like democratic presidents. I do wonder if much of this is because they are among the better off and are guided by financial reasons. It is easy to point to scripture to back up why they believe as they do(can't we all) But if they are being driven by money, is it not right that the poor should be helped? Is this not Biblical teaching?

Incidentally I believe that the majority of Christians in England vote Conservative

 

[1still_waters]

I do wonder if much of this is because they are among the better off and are guided by financial reasons. I

For years before abortion became legal for all by choice, many Christians were democrats. That ruling really changed things. When one party is perceived as being pro-killing babies and one isn't, those lines are pretty clear for most.

I do think some are republicans for money reasons though. Which makes sense. If you work hard for your money you don't want the gov't to be able to come and take it!

But if they are being driven by money, is it not right that the poor should be helped? Is this not Biblical teaching?

It's true that Christians should help others, but the means of giving help is what matters.

God loves a cheerful giver. So if one gives, it should be because they willingly choose to, not because the gov't came and took your hard earned money against your will.

 

[phil36]

For years before abortion became legal for all by choice, many Christians were democrats. That ruling really changed things. When one party is perceived as being pro-killing babies and one isn't, those lines are pretty clear for most.

I do think some are republicans for money reasons though. Which makes sense. If you work hard for your money you don't want the gov't to be able to come and take it!



It's true that Christians should help others, but the means of giving help is what matters.

God loves a cheerful giver. So if one gives, it should be because they willingly choose to, not because the gov't came and took your hard earned money against your will.

would that mean.. providing health care for all..since the states should be well able to afford that?

 

[1still_waters]

would that mean.. providing health care for all..since the states should be well able to afford that?

I'd think if citizens were given more of their money back, they could probably donate to non-profit organizations that could provide insurance for those who truly need it. That way your giving would be from a willing, joyful heart, not because Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Frank and the DNC donkey pushed you against the figurative wall in the alley and gave you a shake-down.

 

[phil36]

I'd think if citizens were given more of their money back, they could probably donate to non-profit organizations that could provide insurance for those who truly need it. That way your giving would be from a willing, joyful heart, not because Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Frank and the DNC donkey pushed you against the figurative wall in the alley and gave you a shake-down.

you don't really need insurance, scrap medical insurance, and collect a tax from all citizens so that all can have free medical care as and when needed along with the benefit of free medicine to those not working or pensioners or children, and a nominal fee for those working.

if it was left to our devices such as you suggest then it would never happen to a degree where it would be truly effective.

The government should have a duty of care to all citizens not just those who can afford it! Ithat should be a prerequisite not if the people want it. social care should a be a standard practice for all governments not just a political party belief.

Phil

 

[shanaynay-deleted]

What about abortion taxes?

you don't really need insurance, scrap medical insurance, and collect a tax from all citizens so that all can have free medical care as and when needed along with the benefit of free medicine to those not working or pensioners or children, and a nominal fee for those working.

if it was left to our devices such as you suggest then it would never happen to a degree where it would be truly effective.

The government should have a duty of care to all citizens not just those who can afford it! Ithat should be a prerequisite not if the people want it. social care should a be a standard practice for all governments not just a political party belief.

Phil

 

[lighthousejohn]

It seem to me that many Christians in America do not like democratic presidents. I do wonder if much of this is because they are among the better off and are guided by financial reasons. It is easy to point to scripture to back up why they believe as they do(can't we all) But if they are being driven by money, is it not right that the poor should be helped? Is this not Biblical teaching?

Incidentally I believe that the majority of Christians in England vote Conservative

As a republican (conservative) Christian, I will try to answer some of these questions based on my own opinions.

First of all I do not hate Obama but I do not think I would chooses him as a friend. I do not believe that he is truthful. He says that He is a Christian but his actions and beliefs belie that statement. 1. He says that a persons religion is private, between him and his God so he refuses to pray in public. He also refused to attend our national day of prayer gathering. He will not respond to questions about his personal faith. 2. He actively believes and supports pro abortion practices and legislation. He is appointing pro abortion judges to district courts whch is a lifetime appointment. 3. He adamantly opposes faith based inititives. Believing instead that the government is better equipped to handle social issues.

He made numerous promises during his campaign that he is not keeping. The majority of the health care negotiations were held behind closed doors with no public access (the press) allowed. There are sunshine laws which he advocated which require openess in government. I think a law which covers one sixth of our national economy and requires mandatory participation of every American, should have been openly discussed and debated publically. Pres. Obama believes in the "Chicago politics" approach which is basically "Promise them anything! Once you get elected; your'e the boss and can do what you want."

The Tea party movement is comprised of as many "independent" voters as conservative. Not all of them are Christians and I would not consider it a Christian movement. They align with a "smaller government" approach to politics. There are many "politically radical fringe groups" that are part of the Tea Party movement. Remember, the first tea party was held in Boston harbor to protest "Taxation without representation" by King George of England. It ultimatll led to the Revolutionary War.

To sum this up; Obama is a wolf in sheeps clothing, He has an agenda that he will push on the American people until the people are pushed to hard.

I pray for him because I am told to. I do not wish physical harm to him. I believe we would be worse off if He did die or was removed from Office, because then Joe Biden would be our president.

 

[1still_waters]

you don't really need insurance, scrap medical insurance, and collect a tax from all citizens so that all can have free medical care as and when needed along with the benefit of free medicine to those not working or pensioners or children, and a nominal fee for those working.

if it was left to our devices such as you suggest then it would never happen to a degree where it would be truly effective.

The government should have a duty of care to all citizens not just those who can afford it! Ithat should be a prerequisite not if the people want it. social care should a be a standard practice for all governments not just a political party belief.

Phil

Dude our gov't is already going bankrupt in our social security system and many other things. If they can't run that stuff, I sure as umm..well I surely won't trust them with my healthcare! If they are providing the funding and they run outta money, then I'm truly not in a good situation.

 

[KingdomHeart]

Ok I am just going to put it out there, I read in the Old and New Testiment on how God did and continues to deal with men and women such as Obama, the wicked pherocies hope I spelled that right, evil people in the old testiment, wicked leaders and how the innocent suffer, I am just glad I am not Obama or Hilter,Constantien, Anti-Christ, ect. cause God still hates evil and sin and hates satan cuz I know what Jesus did to satan's head and it got crushed, and hell is a real place, God gives men and women time to repent and none of us know directly Obama's inner heart but God does just like God knew the heart of Saul when he was out to kill David. IS Obama doing anything to bring our nation back to the cross and the HEART OF GOD is he a man after God's own heart? Anyway, I can't control the world but I can control what I do as for Obama, well I place him in God's hands and continue on.

 

[giantone]

Obama is a puppet, if it wasn't him in office it would be someone else employed by the same people to do all kinds of wondrous things Obama is doing right now The tea party thing in my opinion is a fake joke, it's something to say "see people are revolting against the evils in our government" and then the tea party people do all kinds of real evil bad things done by infiltrators on the government's side giving the government an excuse to squelch the real free speech that would have come later. This kind of stuff is manufactured all the time. Like Chavez made a law to keep people from spreading hate or division and now all his opponents are silenced. Nothing is as it seems. All this sounds wild but so does the government stimulus plan.

I can't hate Obama, it would do no good.

 

[mpaper345]

The Bible says do not go against the government in a hateful or violent way because then you will be going against God.

1.God said that a government cannot be in operation unless God allows it so if you go against the government in a hateful and violent way God said you are going against Him.
2.Christians are always to be loving towards people no matter how they act.

Do not let America fool you though because they are in operation as if they are on God's side although many people in the country are on God's side but I am talking about the government.

The Bible says let no man deceive you by any means for the saints will not be united with Jesus until the antichrist appears claiming to be God.

God is love and God loves all people.God has given mankind a certain amount of time to repent of their sins and to live with God for eternity.

As long as mankind can repent of their sins God will not take His children home to heaven.

When the world takes the mark of the beast they cannot repent of their sins anymore and God will take His children home to heaven.

God will not give up on the world until the world gives up on Him.God is going to allow all people that do not love Him to follow the antichrist system so He can take His children home.

In the past God put down nations that would try to pervert God's ways on earth so that the ways of man would not rule over God's ways by allowing other nations to go against them.

One day God has to allow the world a certain amount of time without putting them down to go against the truth and take the mark so God can further His plan of taking His children home and then coming back with His children to fight at the battle of armageddon(Zechariah 14).

God is going to give the world 7 years to have their way and go against the truth so God can further His plan of taking His children home and then coming back with His children and putting down man's kingdom and ruling the earth with His children.

America is the key to the antichrist system being set up.God is allowing people that do not love Him to set up the antichrist system.

The antichrist system could never be set up without technology because the world has to be able to commnunicate with each other to be able to cooperate with each other to come together and the world has to depend on technology and man's devices to try to solve their problems because their system will be it is all about man and his ways can solve the problems on earth.

That is why I believe that God is allowing mankind to understand technology so that people who do not love God will set up the antichrist system.I do not believe that God personally is causing them to understand technology because God only touches people for good but that God is allowing the devil to deceive them because they are of the occult.

As for Obama do not let him fool you.Both Democrat and Republican are part of the New World Order plan.It does not matter which president you choose they will only put candidates for presidentcy that are part of the New World.It does not matter which president you choose if you actually choose the president.

All the presidents will add a little extra to the New World Order plan so it is a slow conditioning of the people.

If you look at Obama's agenda it is the same as Bush's agenda and Obama will push America more towards a one world government.Obama said he is a citizen of America and a citizen of the world.Obama is looking at the world coming together which we know will result in the antichrist system.

Matt

 

[ProudLibertarian]

What about his stance of helping the poor, volunteering, and serving you community? Are these not TRUE Christian values?

 

[ProudLibertarian]

As as far as our democratically elected leader not praying in public...

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
Matthew 6:6
"But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you."

 

[phil36]

Dude our gov't is already going bankrupt in our social security system and many other things. If they can't run that stuff, I sure as umm..well I surely won't trust them with my healthcare! If they are providing the funding and they run outta money, then I'm truly not in a good situation.

the Government is not providing the money the Tax payer is..i.e people like me.

My whole point is I do not mind my Tax money going to help my neighbor, I don't mind my tax money giving Kids school meals, I don't my tax money giving all children free glasses eye tests, medical care and the medicine. I don't mind my tax money going to pay the rent of someone who can't afford it, I don't mind my Tax money going to pay for pensioners to have, their rents paid, medical care and medicine free glasses, extra heating allowance.

Do you get the idea... I think those who have, have a moral obligation to help those who don't.

we maybe don't have the best system for that, but hey, who does. atleast we have a social care system, it may have its pitfalls.

I think governments should have a moral obligation to help all their citizens and not just those who can afford good care. but thats just my view.

Phil

 

[phil36]

What about abortion taxes?

Hi shanaynay, I never even new such a thing existed.

I know that you can have them done here and its free also, as it comes under the NHS (National Health System) so I suppose in a way tax money goes to pay for that.

Now that is a hard one. you have me thinking. I think the benefits out weight the abortion factor (I'll get shot for saying that), what I mean is, everyone here in the UK is entitled to free medical care either in Hospitals or by a local GP, plus the free medicine to with it.

Unfortunatley, abortion is allowed in most cases, and this also comes under the free system, but not all the time. I am not agreeing with abortion, I think the other alternative is to give woman more support, bring back on the public stage the need for more care, more family orientated agenda's and to show them Christs love. anyhow i'm off topic lol.

phil

 

[karuna]

People hate politicians mostly because they've been told to. Because if they didn't have something to hate, they wouldn't be interested to enough to vote. It's the same reason boxers trash talk in public before games, to drum up money from their viewers.

The problem isn't that Christians are hateful, it's that they, like most people, are susceptible to advertising. This is just one manifestation of a bigger problem.