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Hi Proud Libertarian,
Thank you for your post, which mirrors my sentiments exactly. In reading the various responses to this thread, I became so upset at the rabid fanaticism of anti-Obama hate comments that I was unable to counter with an appropriate reply. Your post - for which I am most grateful - has done it for me. I hadn't realized until now that the CC membership has more than its fair share of right-wing wackos.
Proud Lib, I especially appreciate your inclusion of Matthew 6:6 in your reply - a superb retort to LighthouseJohn's vilification of Obama's views re private prayer. However, I expect that a post may surface at any moment now (perhaps from another tea-party wacko*) admonishing you thusly:
"Harumph!..Mathew 6:6, hmmm, see, I told you so - a satanic post straight and simple...six and six...two-thirds of the 666 needed to verify the hellish origin of Proud Lib's reply!"
Keep up the good work, Proud Lib, my brother, we are so proud of you for championing our cause and for responding in our behalf. In sisterly love and admiration....
KayCee
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* Definition (Mirriam-Webster Dictionary)
wacko, (noun or adjective), Variant: whacko, nutter
a person regarded as eccentric, mad, or irrational
See also: Psycho
Thank you for your post, which mirrors my sentiments exactly. In reading the various responses to this thread, I became so upset at the rabid fanaticism of anti-Obama hate comments that I was unable to counter with an appropriate reply. Your post - for which I am most grateful - has done it for me. I hadn't realized until now that the CC membership has more than its fair share of right-wing wackos.
Proud Lib, I especially appreciate your inclusion of Matthew 6:6 in your reply - a superb retort to LighthouseJohn's vilification of Obama's views re private prayer. However, I expect that a post may surface at any moment now (perhaps from another tea-party wacko*) admonishing you thusly:
"Harumph!..Mathew 6:6, hmmm, see, I told you so - a satanic post straight and simple...six and six...two-thirds of the 666 needed to verify the hellish origin of Proud Lib's reply!"
Keep up the good work, Proud Lib, my brother, we are so proud of you for championing our cause and for responding in our behalf. In sisterly love and admiration....
KayCee
_____________________________________
* Definition (Mirriam-Webster Dictionary)
wacko, (noun or adjective), Variant: whacko, nutter
a person regarded as eccentric, mad, or irrational
See also: Psycho
Re: Why do so many Heathens hate Obama?
QuestionTime Bonked it right on the nose with 1 John 2:4
God is our farther. We are his children. As his children we obey his commands & his teachings because we love him & trust in him.
Those who do not show there love for him OR trust him do not obey his commands(Whether they call themselves Christians or not) To me they are just seeds which grew on rocks.
Also refer to Titus 1:10 Or 1John 1:6
Remind them of this.
God bless~ HolyTriX
QuestionTime Bonked it right on the nose with 1 John 2:4
God is our farther. We are his children. As his children we obey his commands & his teachings because we love him & trust in him.
Those who do not show there love for him OR trust him do not obey his commands(Whether they call themselves Christians or not) To me they are just seeds which grew on rocks.
Also refer to Titus 1:10 Or 1John 1:6
Remind them of this.
God bless~ HolyTriX
I can't speak for those who "hate" Obama. I am one of those who has some discernment about him though. How about some Godly wisdom applied in deciding if he's a good person to have in charge of the nation?
Do you think it wise to elect someone who's been named by the U.S. Senate as the staunchest supporter of abortions and abortion rights in the history of the Senate? Hillary Clinton is far right wing of this man, and she's psychoticly against Godly policiy. We aren't talking mere non-intervention regulations. We're talking proposals during his senate days to actually insist that even if a baby is accidentally born during a late-term abortion, that it would be strictly forbidden to provide that baby with means of support. Literally requiring that the baby be left in a closet to die because not insisting upon this would "seriously undermine the spirit" behind the abortion decision and the abortion "rights" cause. Obama supporters usually refuse to look up the legitimacy of the positions he's taken on the Senate floor. Instead they look to similar-characters (who endorse him) to summarize and evaluate him on their behalf. Complete disolusionment and blatantly foolish.
Do you think it wise to elect a man who openly welcomes bans on Christians praying in public places? How about his policies to disallow miloitary functions which have been tradition in our country for honoring God and country since World War II because they insist upon giving reverence to God by way of prayer?
Do you think it wise to elect a man who's policies have unequivocally involved the socilaization of manufactoring, the socialization of the banking system, the socilaization of medicine, the socialization of healthcare, and who's sights are on socializing the other sectors of America in the same order by which Hitler was able to socialize Germany to obtain absolute control? I'm not saying the man is Hitler, for those of you who will insist on taking this quote out of context for your own rhetoric. All the while denying he's a socialist, he studied under sociolists, sang the praises of socilaist policies in his first book. His self-proclaimed mentors are self-proclaimed socialists, terrorists, and marxists. Don't take my ord for it - read the book. Unless you simply decide to remain adamantly ignorant and refuse to look into the issue with your own eyes. Heresay? rediculous rhetorical talking points?
Take a look at his policies. He and the other self-proclaimed socialists he's put in his cabinet have rabidly been overruling state sovereignty guaranteed by the constitution that in the same respectwhich he thumbs his nose at God in his policies, he thumbs his nose at the Central document on which all law and freedom in this country is based. nearly half of the states have now filed lawsuits if not actually passing laws which state they reject this new federal mandate and takeover of freedoms as completely illegal and unconstitutional. Why would they do that? The Senators who passed the legislation refer to it as healthcare reform. I've heard the nice things that it will do from the news organizations who endorse these members of congress.
Still not convinced? How smart do you have to be to connect the dots when all of our most steady Anti-Democratic Republic enemies support and endorse fully his socialist policies. Castro thinks it's the greatest thing the U.S. has ever done. Does that mean nothing at all to you? Hugo Chavez thinks he's the greatest president the U.S. has ever had. Does that not give you any indication that you might have been fed some stupid pills?
Okay okay! So stop with the "socialism blah blah blah"... he's better than the last president.
Can you tell me how?
The trouble we have now isn't his fualt! It's the previous administration's fault!
Can you explain to me how taking the previous administration's 4-year total of debt including a war can be outspent 4 times over in this man's first year on obsurd and blatant breaking of the law in bribing votes. Even the left-wing news groups can't sit there and not report it.
When on earth will you get your head out of the sand? So maybe you don't spend that much time looking into this stuff because you're not interested in politics? Fine. How about history? Did you not study and retain anything of value in the history of the different types of government?
I could write for weeks about this stuff, and it isn't because I enjoy it. It's not because I'm filled with hate or jealousy or racial bias. It's because I pay attention, I CARE about truth enough to not take it for granted, and because I care enough about what God says is right to recognize things that boldly stand against it. Look, Obama might be a nice guy. I don't believe he hates America at all. I bet he really feels he's doing the best thing. Problem is, he's driven by foolish principles and rejection of God in every way he has been able. If you take for granted that this bill is even 50% about providing health care for people, then I'm sorry to have to confess, you are ignorant. Having made this claim, if you continue to believe it's a good thing without checking for yourself what's in it (it's available online) then I would have to add to that that you are foolish. If after all of this rant, you defend his positions on policiy which has been consistantly anti-God and anti-constitutional without actually looking into the recorded votes he's made in congress and the programs he has cut, and the programs he's insisted room be made for... then I would add to that you are not a patriotic American.
If you insist still on claiming the man has done God any measure of respect or honor, has in any way given our nation a more righteous position or any more safety, without actually considering the weight of these allegations and checking them out, then I would add you in my mind, and that of any conservative and about every God-LOVING / PURSUING person I've ever known, to a long prayer list of people who, like me, need God's Truth. I pray that He would open your eyes.
I love my country. I will not say that any one else does not. But I will say that regardless of how bad any previous president has been, this president has in this one year, expressly demanded the overriding of the one document that has governed our nation for so long... more than any president in U.S. history. He has spent, in this one year - while we are already in crippling debt - more irresponsibly than any president in U.S. history. You want to take on the world? How about not crippling us financially in such a staggering way that even the vote of a supermajority in ALL houses of government is barely feasable.. not with all the bargaining.. all the political promisses... bribes.. even exemptions from the law from certain states. Even the Senate knows that what they are doing is wrong. Even they are starting to think.. "what the heck are we doing?" If you quote that it simply ensures that all Americans have healthcare, you haven't read it. Don't propagate what other people tell you. READ IT, because the lie that the government has spent SOOOOOOOO much mony on campaining and advertising to you - literally- to just swallow this thing because it's good for you and good for everyone, good for America.. they don't tell you what's in it! If you still think it's all a good thing and haven't at least looked at what's in it and how thr party who supports it even worries about what it will do to our coutry, then you're straight out senseless. Let me know when you're ready to buy a car.. I have one that's PERFECT for you. It's a GREAT deal and you need it.
If you refuse to pray for our leaders, then I question your loyalty to God. We are given that charge. Please pray that God gives us leaders who will humbly submit to his authority and will. Leaders who glorify Christ and enable others to do the same. The things that this man has done in office may not be able to be repaired. That saddens me. I want Christ's kingdom. The best that man can do is still messed up. I don't blame Obama for not trying his best. I blame him for the result.
Finally, if you've actually read everything I wrote, then thank you for being patient, tolerant, and contemplative, even if you disagree. Again, don't hate, but DO DISCERN. LOVE despite foolishness. Pray despite anger over wrecklessness. And PLEASE please ask God for wisdom.
Love in Christ,
Nathan / aka PolarGuyInAK
Do you think it wise to elect someone who's been named by the U.S. Senate as the staunchest supporter of abortions and abortion rights in the history of the Senate? Hillary Clinton is far right wing of this man, and she's psychoticly against Godly policiy. We aren't talking mere non-intervention regulations. We're talking proposals during his senate days to actually insist that even if a baby is accidentally born during a late-term abortion, that it would be strictly forbidden to provide that baby with means of support. Literally requiring that the baby be left in a closet to die because not insisting upon this would "seriously undermine the spirit" behind the abortion decision and the abortion "rights" cause. Obama supporters usually refuse to look up the legitimacy of the positions he's taken on the Senate floor. Instead they look to similar-characters (who endorse him) to summarize and evaluate him on their behalf. Complete disolusionment and blatantly foolish.
Do you think it wise to elect a man who openly welcomes bans on Christians praying in public places? How about his policies to disallow miloitary functions which have been tradition in our country for honoring God and country since World War II because they insist upon giving reverence to God by way of prayer?
Do you think it wise to elect a man who's policies have unequivocally involved the socilaization of manufactoring, the socialization of the banking system, the socilaization of medicine, the socialization of healthcare, and who's sights are on socializing the other sectors of America in the same order by which Hitler was able to socialize Germany to obtain absolute control? I'm not saying the man is Hitler, for those of you who will insist on taking this quote out of context for your own rhetoric. All the while denying he's a socialist, he studied under sociolists, sang the praises of socilaist policies in his first book. His self-proclaimed mentors are self-proclaimed socialists, terrorists, and marxists. Don't take my ord for it - read the book. Unless you simply decide to remain adamantly ignorant and refuse to look into the issue with your own eyes. Heresay? rediculous rhetorical talking points?
Take a look at his policies. He and the other self-proclaimed socialists he's put in his cabinet have rabidly been overruling state sovereignty guaranteed by the constitution that in the same respectwhich he thumbs his nose at God in his policies, he thumbs his nose at the Central document on which all law and freedom in this country is based. nearly half of the states have now filed lawsuits if not actually passing laws which state they reject this new federal mandate and takeover of freedoms as completely illegal and unconstitutional. Why would they do that? The Senators who passed the legislation refer to it as healthcare reform. I've heard the nice things that it will do from the news organizations who endorse these members of congress.
Still not convinced? How smart do you have to be to connect the dots when all of our most steady Anti-Democratic Republic enemies support and endorse fully his socialist policies. Castro thinks it's the greatest thing the U.S. has ever done. Does that mean nothing at all to you? Hugo Chavez thinks he's the greatest president the U.S. has ever had. Does that not give you any indication that you might have been fed some stupid pills?
Okay okay! So stop with the "socialism blah blah blah"... he's better than the last president.
Can you tell me how?
The trouble we have now isn't his fualt! It's the previous administration's fault!
Can you explain to me how taking the previous administration's 4-year total of debt including a war can be outspent 4 times over in this man's first year on obsurd and blatant breaking of the law in bribing votes. Even the left-wing news groups can't sit there and not report it.
When on earth will you get your head out of the sand? So maybe you don't spend that much time looking into this stuff because you're not interested in politics? Fine. How about history? Did you not study and retain anything of value in the history of the different types of government?
I could write for weeks about this stuff, and it isn't because I enjoy it. It's not because I'm filled with hate or jealousy or racial bias. It's because I pay attention, I CARE about truth enough to not take it for granted, and because I care enough about what God says is right to recognize things that boldly stand against it. Look, Obama might be a nice guy. I don't believe he hates America at all. I bet he really feels he's doing the best thing. Problem is, he's driven by foolish principles and rejection of God in every way he has been able. If you take for granted that this bill is even 50% about providing health care for people, then I'm sorry to have to confess, you are ignorant. Having made this claim, if you continue to believe it's a good thing without checking for yourself what's in it (it's available online) then I would have to add to that that you are foolish. If after all of this rant, you defend his positions on policiy which has been consistantly anti-God and anti-constitutional without actually looking into the recorded votes he's made in congress and the programs he has cut, and the programs he's insisted room be made for... then I would add to that you are not a patriotic American.
If you insist still on claiming the man has done God any measure of respect or honor, has in any way given our nation a more righteous position or any more safety, without actually considering the weight of these allegations and checking them out, then I would add you in my mind, and that of any conservative and about every God-LOVING / PURSUING person I've ever known, to a long prayer list of people who, like me, need God's Truth. I pray that He would open your eyes.
I love my country. I will not say that any one else does not. But I will say that regardless of how bad any previous president has been, this president has in this one year, expressly demanded the overriding of the one document that has governed our nation for so long... more than any president in U.S. history. He has spent, in this one year - while we are already in crippling debt - more irresponsibly than any president in U.S. history. You want to take on the world? How about not crippling us financially in such a staggering way that even the vote of a supermajority in ALL houses of government is barely feasable.. not with all the bargaining.. all the political promisses... bribes.. even exemptions from the law from certain states. Even the Senate knows that what they are doing is wrong. Even they are starting to think.. "what the heck are we doing?" If you quote that it simply ensures that all Americans have healthcare, you haven't read it. Don't propagate what other people tell you. READ IT, because the lie that the government has spent SOOOOOOOO much mony on campaining and advertising to you - literally- to just swallow this thing because it's good for you and good for everyone, good for America.. they don't tell you what's in it! If you still think it's all a good thing and haven't at least looked at what's in it and how thr party who supports it even worries about what it will do to our coutry, then you're straight out senseless. Let me know when you're ready to buy a car.. I have one that's PERFECT for you. It's a GREAT deal and you need it.
If you refuse to pray for our leaders, then I question your loyalty to God. We are given that charge. Please pray that God gives us leaders who will humbly submit to his authority and will. Leaders who glorify Christ and enable others to do the same. The things that this man has done in office may not be able to be repaired. That saddens me. I want Christ's kingdom. The best that man can do is still messed up. I don't blame Obama for not trying his best. I blame him for the result.
Finally, if you've actually read everything I wrote, then thank you for being patient, tolerant, and contemplative, even if you disagree. Again, don't hate, but DO DISCERN. LOVE despite foolishness. Pray despite anger over wrecklessness. And PLEASE please ask God for wisdom.
Love in Christ,
Nathan / aka PolarGuyInAK
First, what an obsurd assertion to make. So if I resist socialized medicine in my government then I'm against healing people or requiring them to be successful before I help them?
No one says the system doesn't need to be fixed, but now we've removed the freedom for the citizens to be involved in that fix.
The bill you refer to mandates that all Americans buy insurance from a government entity or government controlled entity. It doesn't mandate or deliver coverage. It can't, because there's not enough money in it to do that, even if the money in the bill were going to healthcare; even if the money wasn't just being invented out of thin air. It also promises to pay for people who are here illegally - who don't pay into the system. So all we really did is take the system that we are already complaining about, make it more expensive, add to our debt every year by it's very existance, and it's not even going toward the U.S. citizens who pay into it?? How anyone can think this makes sense is unbelieveable.
It only MANDATES BY FEDERAL LAW that even if I'm healthy, I pay the government for insurance. Even if I can't really afford it right now because I'm puting myself through school, I pay it, or pay an even bigger fine or get a felony charge.
Obviously you believe the one-line loving sumary of this 1200+ page document that costs more than any single thing the U.S. has ever bought, of which HUGE portions of the money aren't even involved with healthcare, and which has divided the nation because of the attention that has been brought to only a FRACTION of the corruption and unconstitutionality of it. They just wrote healthcare on the top so people would vote for it or face glaring disapproval.
Do you know how rich every citizen of the United states would be if they simply divied up the cost of this legislation and cut everyone a check to start saving for their and their descendants' medical needs? Or even if they just put all this money into a fund and payed citizens the dividend? Or even half of it?
We need to be THINKING about what we support and if it really is a means to the end we envision. Or if we just sold the horse to buy hay.
No one says the system doesn't need to be fixed, but now we've removed the freedom for the citizens to be involved in that fix.
The bill you refer to mandates that all Americans buy insurance from a government entity or government controlled entity. It doesn't mandate or deliver coverage. It can't, because there's not enough money in it to do that, even if the money in the bill were going to healthcare; even if the money wasn't just being invented out of thin air. It also promises to pay for people who are here illegally - who don't pay into the system. So all we really did is take the system that we are already complaining about, make it more expensive, add to our debt every year by it's very existance, and it's not even going toward the U.S. citizens who pay into it?? How anyone can think this makes sense is unbelieveable.
It only MANDATES BY FEDERAL LAW that even if I'm healthy, I pay the government for insurance. Even if I can't really afford it right now because I'm puting myself through school, I pay it, or pay an even bigger fine or get a felony charge.
Obviously you believe the one-line loving sumary of this 1200+ page document that costs more than any single thing the U.S. has ever bought, of which HUGE portions of the money aren't even involved with healthcare, and which has divided the nation because of the attention that has been brought to only a FRACTION of the corruption and unconstitutionality of it. They just wrote healthcare on the top so people would vote for it or face glaring disapproval.
Do you know how rich every citizen of the United states would be if they simply divied up the cost of this legislation and cut everyone a check to start saving for their and their descendants' medical needs? Or even if they just put all this money into a fund and payed citizens the dividend? Or even half of it?
We need to be THINKING about what we support and if it really is a means to the end we envision. Or if we just sold the horse to buy hay.
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The reason the United States of America started was because we felt that the responsibilities of the government as an entity should be limited in order to ensure of the freedoms and personal responsibilities of the people. Government provisions come with strings attached, ALWAYS. This is why Americans rejected the system they were under in Europe and very carefully wrote the rules which restrain this government's involvement. Sadly, the biggest reasons we're in the mess we are is because those restrictions on the role of government have been ignored.
American's aren't opposed to helping those who can't help themselves. We're against the principle of punishing those willing to work to reward those who are not. It's a system that, by following the nature of those who founded this country (still generally preserved, although sluggish) we have rejected. There is an inherant cost in asking that people be accountable and responsible for themselves. There is a bigger cost in instisting that no one need be. We only ask to retain the freedom to make that distinction ourselves. As lovers of Christ, you and I step in and bridge that gap. As a country, no other has provided for others more than we have. Those of us who take care of our needy blame already excessive government for hindering us from doing more.
Sadly, I don't trust that our government, as corrupt and swollen with power as it's become, is capable of rendering a simple service to its people without doing worse damage. It needs to be smaller and simpler.
American's aren't opposed to helping those who can't help themselves. We're against the principle of punishing those willing to work to reward those who are not. It's a system that, by following the nature of those who founded this country (still generally preserved, although sluggish) we have rejected. There is an inherant cost in asking that people be accountable and responsible for themselves. There is a bigger cost in instisting that no one need be. We only ask to retain the freedom to make that distinction ourselves. As lovers of Christ, you and I step in and bridge that gap. As a country, no other has provided for others more than we have. Those of us who take care of our needy blame already excessive government for hindering us from doing more.
Sadly, I don't trust that our government, as corrupt and swollen with power as it's become, is capable of rendering a simple service to its people without doing worse damage. It needs to be smaller and simpler.
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