VVhat is the Significance of Jesus' Divinity?

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Today I've been chatting vvith an individual that doesn't believe in the Trinity (in the Trinitarian sense). He believes in Father God, Jesus the Son of God, and the Holy Spirit. He doesn't believe in Jesus' divinity. He does believe in Jesus' sacrifice and that His sacrifice is sufficient for salvation, for those that vvould believe and repent of their sins.

The question is, vvhat is the significance of Jesus being divine? VVhat is the significance of Jesus being God, instead of not being God? If Jesus isn't God, and He isn't divine, does that change anything? If He is, then vvhat repercussions are there for those that don't believe He is, but proclaim belief in Him as Savior (believing He died for them and resurrected, lived a sinless life by the povver of the Holy Spirit, etc)?

I suppose the question that arises is, is belief in Jesus as God a necessity for salvation? Can one be a born-again Christian vvithout the belief that Jesus is God?
Very good question .

The term "fundamental truths" of the faith of Christianity. which the Deity of Christ is Cardinal/ Foundational and true.
The Gospel of John speaks clearly to the Deity of Christ that is the main Theme of the Gospel.

Nicene Creed, “the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, of one Being with the Father.”

there are many many scriptures that show the deity of Christ, or HE being treated as receiving worship which God is only to receive.

Jesus bears the names and titles of deity

God

There is only one God.

  • Deuteronomy 6:4 - “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.
  • Deuteronomy 4:35 - To you it was shown, that you might know that the Lord is God; there is no other besides him.
  • Isaiah 43:10 - “You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord, “and my servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me.
  • etc., etc., etc.
Yet Jesus is called God.

  • John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
  • John 1:18 - No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known.
  • Titus 2:13 - waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ[SUP]1[/SUP]
  • 2 Peter 1:1 - Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ[SUP]1[/SUP]
  • Isaiah 9:6 - For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
  • Romans 9:5 - To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.
  • Hebrews 1:8 - But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.
  • John 20:28-29 - Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
  • c.f. Matthew 1:21-23
Also we must to understand that no man can fully comprehend the Full Nature of God we can ascertain or apprehend the human mind is not able at this time to Fully Understand the " Godhead". We are to approach the Godhead reverently, and with great humility.
Cause and effect:

If Jesus is not God = effect HE is not Perfect and if HE is not Perfect= you are not forgiven
If Jesus was born by the will of man= he has sin= you are not saved
The bible says Heb 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

rev 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

and many more verses

Rom 10:9-10 , 1cor 12:3

If Jesus is not who HE said HE is, then we are not saved as Paul said and we have believed in vain. One cannot be saved and not come to know Jesus as Lord and have faith in who HE said HE is. John's gospel very clearly tells us that Jesus is the way the truth and the life. In the Greek it reads as Jesus is the ONLY Way the ONLY Truth and the ONLY Life.
The Holy Spirit , the Word of God and the eyewitnesses all testify that Jesus Christ is Lord in the Greek means Supreme Authority = Only God is the Supreme Authority. Jesus is God, Jesus is Divine . amen

 
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JaumeJ

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Once more I will point out Isaiah 9:6 where it is prophesied Jesus Christ will be called Everlasting Father, God Almighty, Wonderful, Counselor, Ruler of Peace........titles of Elohanu, if you prefer, of our God.

There is no disputing Jesus Christ is God, as said in plain words by Isaiah and later in the first chapter of John. He is the Word and the Word was God.

He is the Resurrection.
 
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Jesus never claims to be God or asks to be worshipped. Also the Bible doesn't say you have to believe the trinity to be saved
 

JaumeJ

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When Jesus Christ confessed that He was fulfilling all the law and the Prophets, He waqs also confessing to be God. You would know this if you knew the Prophets.

Also, the first chapter of John tells it plainly that He is God...........


Jesus never claims to be God or asks to be worshipped. Also the Bible doesn't say you have to believe the trinity to be saved
 
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Jesus never claims to be God or asks to be worshipped. Also the Bible doesn't say you have to believe the trinity to be saved
Not so

"I am"
"I am the alpha and omega,the beginning and the end"

"if you have seen me you have seen the Father"

"I and the father are one"

ALL SAYING "I AM GOD"

THE JEWS sought his death because he claimed to be GOD"
 
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popeye

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Ok,everyone with awesome input and answers.

But we need THE REASON.

IT is threefold (or more)

Yes,the Adam thingy,so we needed the "second Adam" ...totally man/God

Then the perfect spotless deal (had to have the perfect BLOOD,to be shed)

Now the one that eludes us. He had to resurrect.


Ben,we are the only group that have a resurrected savior.

He raised himself from the dead. (God can't stay in a grave)

So you park and center on 2 truths

1, he is creator....that decapitates all opposition

2,he raised himself from the dead....now you are holding that decapitated false doctrines head high in the air.

They have no recourse but to relent,or attack you personally,LOL

IOW,now you made em go against the word of GOD.

Gotta love it
 
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popeye

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With out the resurrection,the whole deal is a failure.

Why?

Galations

"...but there was no law given that could impart life"

IOW,the doom of death is cancelled by the resurrection of a man,a God man"

By the sin of one Adam....man died

By the resurrection of the second Adam...all live
 
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I thought BenFTW was being sincere about the keyboard was broken:eek: :eek: :)
He was. He used to copy paste a 'W' from websites and paste it into his comment which was creating Reply problems because of formatting codes carried forward into his comments from the website. He's doing the 'VV' thing to avoid that problem.
 
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JesusIsAll

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The most important aspect of the deity of Jesus Christ, in my life, beyond His salvation, is that He, being from above, the image of God and very Creator: He can be completely trusted in all He said or did. I can hang upon His every word, from His lips, as well as all His Spirit inspired in His book, the Bible, and not only the New Testament, but the Old Testament. He is the one Man I can believe and trust, because He is God.
 
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He was. He used to copy paste a 'W' from websites and paste it into his comment which was creating Reply problems because of formatting codes carried forward into his comments from the website. He's doing the 'VV' thing to avoid that problem.
Okay.That would make sense.Thank you :)
 
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Today I've been chatting vvith an individual that doesn't believe in the Trinity (in the Trinitarian sense). He believes in Father God, Jesus the Son of God, and the Holy Spirit. He doesn't believe in Jesus' divinity. He does believe in Jesus' sacrifice and that His sacrifice is sufficient for salvation, for those that vvould believe and repent of their sins.

The question is, vvhat is the significance of Jesus being divine? VVhat is the significance of Jesus being God, instead of not being God? If Jesus isn't God, and He isn't divine, does that change anything? If He is, then vvhat repercussions are there for those that don't believe He is, but proclaim belief in Him as Savior (believing He died for them and resurrected, lived a sinless life by the povver of the Holy Spirit, etc)?

I suppose the question that arises is, is belief in Jesus as God a necessity for salvation? Can one be a born-again Christian vvithout the belief that Jesus is God?
God was in Christ not God was Christ. all the fulness of the divinity dwells in Jesus bodily, not all the fulness of the divinity is Jesus.
Jesus is the last adam, the new creation of God. god created a new thing (new human male seed) that he used to begat Jesus with and with which he fertilized Mary's egg, thus making Jesus the literal son of God and Mary.
But frequently people who know that Jesus is the son of God and not God, denigrate Jesus to a lower level than he deserves. If you see Jesus you see God, when Jesus speaks he speaks the words of God, Jesus will is the will of God his father, if you pray to Jesus you are praying to God because he is one with the father, who is the one and only true or real God. You can't see Jesus without seeing God, so in my estimation, it's ok to call him God even though literally he isn't.
 
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God was in Christ not God was Christ. all the fulness of the divinity dwells in Jesus bodily, not all the fulness of the divinity is Jesus.
Jesus is the last adam, the new creation of God. god created a new thing (new human male seed) that he used to begat Jesus with and with which he fertilized Mary's egg, thus making Jesus the literal son of God and Mary.
But frequently people who know that Jesus is the son of God and not God, denigrate Jesus to a lower level than he deserves. If you see Jesus you see God, when Jesus speaks he speaks the words of God, Jesus will is the will of God his father, if you pray to Jesus you are praying to God because he is one with the father, who is the one and only true or real God. You can't see Jesus without seeing God, so in my estimation, it's ok to call him God even though literally he isn't.
Ummmmm.....nope.
 
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jaybird88

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to the OP - can you give some clarification.

divine nature of Jesus
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Jesus the Son and the Lord Most High are one and the same person.

and from my understanding your asking what is the significance of believing in this, am i correct? all i see so far is people chiming in defending the trinity doctrine.
 
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popeye

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God was in Christ not God was Christ. all the fulness of the divinity dwells in Jesus bodily, not all the fulness of the divinity is Jesus.
Jesus is the last adam, the new creation of God. god created a new thing (new human male seed) that he used to begat Jesus with and with which he fertilized Mary's egg, thus making Jesus the literal son of God and Mary.
But frequently people who know that Jesus is the son of God and not God, denigrate Jesus to a lower level than he deserves. If you see Jesus you see God, when Jesus speaks he speaks the words of God, Jesus will is the will of God his father, if you pray to Jesus you are praying to God because he is one with the father, who is the one and only true or real God. You can't see Jesus without seeing God, so in my estimation, it's ok to call him God even though literally he isn't.
Error big time
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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jesus' divinity means he is infallible...and that we can trust him with anything and everything...

jesus' divinity also means our advocate has the ability to carry out what he has promised and intends for us...

and lastly jesus' divinity...specifically as the only begotten son of God...makes him superior to the red heifer of the old testament and makes him unique and precious enough that his blood could perform the cleansing of all sin for all time that even the red heifer's blood could not accomplish...
 

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What is the Significance of Jesus' Divinity?
Just to broaden the subject title of the thread:

What is the significance of the diety (not the same as "divinity") and humanity of the Lord Jesus?
 
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Just to broaden the subject title of the thread:

What is the significance of the diety (not the same as "divinity") and humanity of the Lord Jesus?
By the word diety,do you mean,who GOD Is?
And when you say divinity,do you mean,the attributes of GOD?

The significance of diety Is that only a perfect sacrifice would be acceptable to GOD the Father,and the sacrifice would have to be a man and the man In order to be perfect would have to be born of Incorruptible seed.
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John 1:1
King James Version(KJV)

1.)In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
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John 1:14
King James Version(KJV)

14.)And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
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JESUS was the word of GOD made flesh.GOD on the Inside and manifested to man In the flesh and being found In the flesh,HE became obediant even to death,death on a cross.Only HE could do the work that GOD the father would accept.