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LilianAdams

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Hi,

The Bible mentions that witchcraft, black magic and voodoo exists and that innocent people can suffer or even die as a result (Ezekiel 13:17-23).

My mother was a godly woman who never harmed anyone. We always prayed to God and studied the Bible, every single day. We repented and were baptized. We lived a holy life, and were not engaged in any habitual sins. We never engaged in occult practices. We served God and went to Church. We kept the Sabbath day holy. She was the perfect mother, who took care of the house. My mother instructed me, as her daughter, to live a holy life as well. She sent me to a private school to learn more about God. I also attended Bible College. I live a life of abstinence. Yet, I don't understand why God did not protect my mother from witchcraft and demonic attacks? Why did He allow my mother to be attacked for such a very long time, suffer ill health and die as a result?

My mother had dreams and visions of people performing black magic spells and rituals on her. She suffered many different demonic attacks, including: 1) Sexual. 2) A heavy crushing feeling on her back, with difficulty breathing, as though all the air was being squeezed right out of her. 3) An out of the blue, sudden spear-like effect in her leg, which caused excruciating pain as she was walking up the staircase, holding onto the rails while dragging the other leg.

Through black magic, my mother suffered ill health and died as a result. I recorded in my diary, that my mother vomited for six months, every third night, and it always happened between the hours of 12pm and 2am when witches have covens. My mother's cancer was a spiritual, NOT medical related issue because of the way the symptoms manifested, and the fact that she suffered many health problems and was affected by many other symptoms in such a short space of time. I, myself prayed to God for my mother's protection from all this evil that was happening to her. The more I prayed, the more she suffered. The more I fasted, the worse her health became. I also called for priests to bless the apartment to no avail. If God promises long life and protection (Ps 91; 121:7), then why didn't God save my mother? We both had put so much faith and trust in God, and yet I feel that God has really let us down. Why wouldn't God want to demonstrate His awesome power of healing (Ps 103:3), protection (Ps 56:1) and deliverance (Ps 34:17; 50:15), if His word states that He is Almighty God? Wouldn't God want to be glorified? Wouldn't God want to demonstrate that He is more powerful than Satan or witches?

I would really appreciate your reply as soon as possible.

Thank you,
Lilian
 

mystdancer50

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You're giving the occult way too much power, much like Hollywood does. We live on a cursed planet and there is illness and pain and suffering due to the sin that is on this earth. If one belongs to God, they are under the covering a Christ's blood. Does healing always come? No. Does that mean that there is demonic forces involved? No. Don't give the devil more power than he truly has. The Lord is always in control. When a believer passes away, they are immediately in the presence of the Lord. No more suffering. No more pain. The devil wants you to blame God and be angry at Him because the devil's ultimate goal is to keep us away from God by whatever means possible. Trust in God and stop looking into the occult. There is darkness at work, but the Light is far stronger than any darkness can ever be. Consider David, who prayed and prayed and prayed for God to spare his son. When His son died, He stopped mourning and returned to his life. Many wondered at this, but David explained that while the son lived, there was a reason to wear the sackcloth and ashes and plead with God for the hopes of healing, but once the child has left this world, the need to pray for him was gone. Remember that David was a man after God's own heart. Don't be the devil's "why me" victim. Praise the Lord through the storms and trust Him always. If you are still struggle, consider the disciples and the suffering they faced. Many were killed violently because they served Christ.

[FONT=&quot]And the Lord struck the child that Uriah’s widow bore to David, and he was very sick. 16 David therefore appealed to God for the child [to be healed]; and David fasted and went in and lay all night on the ground.17 The elders of his household stood by him [in the night] to lift him up from the ground, but he was unwilling [to get up] and would not eat food with them. 18 Then it happened on the seventh day that the child died. David’s servants were afraid to tell him that the child was dead, for they said, “While the child was still alive, we spoke to him and he would not listen to our voices. How then can we tell him the child is dead, since he might harm himself [or us]?” 19 But when David saw that his servants were whispering to one another, he realized that the child was dead. So David said to them, “Is the child dead?” And they said, “He is dead.”20 Then David got up from the ground, washed, anointed himself [with olive oil], changed his clothes, and went into the house of the Lord and worshiped. Then he came [back] to his own house, and when he asked, they set food before him and he ate.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]21 Then his servants said to him, “What is this thing that you have done? While the child was alive you fasted and wept, but when the child died, you got up and ate food.” 22 David said, “While the child was still alive, I fasted and wept; for I thought, ‘Who knows, the Lord may be gracious to me and the child may live.’ 23 But now he is dead; why should I [continue to] fast? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him [when I die], but he will not return to me.” 2 Samuel 12[/FONT]
 
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Ugly

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Sounds more like a Hollywood version of the occult to me.

Why would anyone want to do this to her? Who does she know that engages in such practices?

Did you ever take your mother to a hospital or doctor? If yes, what did they say? If no, then that's the problem.

God can give dreams, but that does not mean all dreams are from God. Why would God show this to your mother in a dream and then do nothing? What would be the point?

The scripture you reference is OT. OT is still valid, but keep in mind this was before Christ's death and resurrection. So we are not affected the same way.

You mention going to priests, which suggests Catholocism. The site is not Catholic based. Yes, some Catholic and Catholic supporters are members, over all the majority of members here will likely see going to priests as part of the reason nothing happened.

Not meaning to be rude, but this sounds more like trying to tie occult activity to someone being sick, more closely related to superstition, and less like someone having a valid story about the issues you're claiming.

So that is my take on it. I'm sure you'll disagree, but since you came here asking, there's my answers.
 
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LilianAdams

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Giving the occult power IS NOT the issue here. The issue IS that my mother and I had put our faith and trust in God. My mother didn't believe in the occult and yet she suffered all kinds of witchcraft and demonic attacks. We never engaged in occult practices. I know that my mother's cancer was a spiritual issue. I can tell the difference between a spiritual related issue and medical related issue, the difference between natural sickness and demonic sickness. These were deliberate attacks and God didn't stop them. No one can convince me otherwise. That passage you quoted has nothing to do with the occult. The Bible includes many scriptures about the occult. For example, Ezekiel 13; Micah 5:12; Acts 19:19, etc. Read carefully Ezekiel 13, and you will know what I mean and have a better understanding about the issue. I want the truth to be out there. I can only speak the truth and what my mother and I experienced.
 

mystdancer50

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I daresay that you need to not be fixated on a single portion of Scripture. Read the New Testament. See the amazing hand of God working through Jesus. See what the disciples and others faced. Consider, as I said, David. You are insistent to empower satan and to blame God. If that is the mentality you want, rest assured that you will have it. The devil wants to destroy your relationship with God and the first place is blame, anger, and distrust. You have received two godly answers and you still want to insist that the occult killed your mother. If that is what you want to believe, no amount of truth will change your mind, but I sincerely hope you fix your eyes on Christ and stop focusing on darkness.
 
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LilianAdams

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You are just demonstrating your ignorance about the issue. Are you trying to cover the occultists? We are not Catholic. We didn't go to priests. Not all priests are Catholic. There are priests of different denominations. There is nothing wrong with a priest blessing the apartment. This was our last resort. If you read the Bible, it does mention the word 'priests.' For example, in Leviticus 21. These were demonic attacks. I can tell the difference between a spiritual and medical related issue. I will pursue it further. No one will ever convince me otherwise!
 
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Hi, Lilian.
The first thing you want to do is make sure you do not allow a root of bitterness against The Lord Jesus Christ to spring up within you.
Make absolutely certain that you are saved...a blood-bought, born-again child of God who's sins are covered and you have eternal life and security in Jesus.

Knowing that, know then, that He is not the one who either wanted or caused things to happen to your mother that can only be credited to God's enemy.
Yes, God is sovereign, and nothing can happen ultimately outside His will, but His permissive will is not the same as His causal will.

Why He allows certain things to happen is often hard or even impossible to explain. Sickness, disease, tragedy, sudden things that seem random and unfair, when a loving God has the power to stop or alter them.

So it's important first of all to know Jesus as Lord and Saviour first,
knowing that He is 100% trustworthy, even when we don't understand
what is happening or why.

The second thing is not to approach Him Demanding answers, that is, not to take the attitude of stomping our foot and expecting Him to meet our demands.
Believe me, that's not the way to approach the throne of grace.

However, if you are surely saved, God is not going to kick you out if you express your heartache, disappointment or even anger, at your situation.

He knows...He loves you...and He cares about what you're going through.
He can take your words of frustration, but after that, He wants to use the situation for your and others good.

And I'm guessing He may have plans for you in a mighty way before all is said and done. Remember, He is the Author AND the Finisher of our faith, meaning He will complete what He has begun in you, bringing you to an anticipated end with such joy, such reunion, such rejoicing, it can't even be imagined yet.

Take hope in the fact that your Mom is not suffering or struggling in pain anymore, but as a believer, she's rejoicing with the Lord, and you will with her too someday, probably sooner than we all think.

I of course haven't experienced anything to the level like you've described,
so I won't pretend and say, 'I know what you're going thru', or give you empty lines like, 'we've all got our cross to bear', etc., no, it stinks sometimes...it just stinks! But that is evidence and the result of living in a fallen, sin-soaked world.

But Jesus is coming again, and when His kingdom is established, righteousness will reign, you will reign with Him, receiving a crown of righteousness, the devil will get his due, and you will be filled with joy unspeakable. As a good friend and brother sings...Wait for the Lord, be strong, and let your heart take courage, Christ is coming again.

I can't talk more now, but feel free to contact me if you'd like.
Keep the faith, put on the full armor of God, but remember,
Jesus has already won, so we fight from the position of victory.

Read some things like the beginning of Ephesians, Colossians 3:1-4, as a reminder of your stand in Christ, ... 1Thess. 4:14-18, for renewed hope.
God bless you. Hold fast to that which is good. Peace. :)
 
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Ariel82

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These were demonic attacks. I can tell the difference between a spiritual and medical related issue. I will pursue it further. No one will ever convince me otherwise!
How can you tell the difference?

Are you experience the same issues as your mom?
 

Demi777

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Well I must say that when you come out of witchcraft that the devil will attack you stronger and harder than just a normal christian because you know his statagies. I still battle against nightmares and attacks but it sounds to me that your mother forgot to give something up where they may still have a stonghold.
Let me give you some tips
Did she give up being used as a vessel of satan? did she give up going to a vessel of satan (fortune telling and things like that), did she give up everything one by one with a witness (another person)
I hope this helped a bit.
Plus another thing she should try is pray ever night before you go to sleep for the blood of jesus to cover her and protect her from the demoic attacks and nightmares, and pray for God to send angels to her protection.
Also a good thing is praying and fasting
Mark 9:29
And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting.
 
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Church2u2

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This sounds serious. I would like to offer you my prayers..but only with your permission. I do firmly believe that Jesus has All power and Authority in His hands.. if you don't mind I suggest that you read Psalm 35 and Psalm 23..in this manner :pray first then read one at sunrise and the other right before bed. And please try not to dwell on witchcraft.Remember..all things are possible with God.He has more power than those practising the occult.Peace 2 U.
 
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Church2u2

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I meant..pray first.
 
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This sounds serious. I would like to offer you my prayers..but only with your permission. I do firmly believe that Jesus has All power and Authority in His hands.. if you don't mind I suggest that you read Psalm 35 and Psalm 23..in this manner :pray first then read one at sunrise and the other right before bed. And please try not to dwell on witchcraft.Remember..all things are possible with God.He has more power than those practising the occult.Peace 2 U.
Good passages, very powerful psalms, and good advice, and the Lord wants us to rejoice in His victory over all enemies, and all the more because He has written our names in heaven.
What a wonderful Saviour. Thank you, Jesus.
 

blue_ladybug

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This forum is ONLY for introducing yourself. This thread belongs in the bible forum. I'll ask a mod to move it there. :)
 

CS1

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Hi,

The Bible mentions that witchcraft, black magic and voodoo exists and that innocent people can suffer or even die as a result (Ezekiel 13:17-23).

My mother was a godly woman who never harmed anyone. We always prayed to God and studied the Bible, every single day. We repented and were baptized. We lived a holy life, and were not engaged in any habitual sins. We never engaged in occult practices. We served God and went to Church. We kept the Sabbath day holy. She was the perfect mother, who took care of the house. My mother instructed me, as her daughter, to live a holy life as well. She sent me to a private school to learn more about God. I also attended Bible College. I live a life of abstinence. Yet, I don't understand why God did not protect my mother from witchcraft and demonic attacks? Why did He allow my mother to be attacked for such a very long time, suffer ill health and die as a result?

My mother had dreams and visions of people performing black magic spells and rituals on her. She suffered many different demonic attacks, including: 1) Sexual. 2) A heavy crushing feeling on her back, with difficulty breathing, as though all the air was being squeezed right out of her. 3) An out of the blue, sudden spear-like effect in her leg, which caused excruciating pain as she was walking up the staircase, holding onto the rails while dragging the other leg.

Through black magic, my mother suffered ill health and died as a result. I recorded in my diary, that my mother vomited for six months, every third night, and it always happened between the hours of 12pm and 2am when witches have covens. My mother's cancer was a spiritual, NOT medical related issue because of the way the symptoms manifested, and the fact that she suffered many health problems and was affected by many other symptoms in such a short space of time. I, myself prayed to God for my mother's protection from all this evil that was happening to her. The more I prayed, the more she suffered. The more I fasted, the worse her health became. I also called for priests to bless the apartment to no avail. If God promises long life and protection (Ps 91; 121:7), then why didn't God save my mother? We both had put so much faith and trust in God, and yet I feel that God has really let us down. Why wouldn't God want to demonstrate His awesome power of healing (Ps 103:3), protection (Ps 56:1) and deliverance (Ps 34:17; 50:15), if His word states that He is Almighty God? Wouldn't God want to be glorified? Wouldn't God want to demonstrate that He is more powerful than Satan or witches?

I would really appreciate your reply as soon as possible.

Thank you,
Lilian

I think for your post it is very interesting the situation. I do not think you are giving to much power to the Occult as i think there is more of an issue with not knowing the Word of God. The Bible tells us that it is Jesus Christ who sets us free. having a form of Godliness by denying the power of Christ is the issue sometimes. I am sorry for your loss however, God did not have anything to do with allowing this attack as you have stated happen. As I read the post I see more of " I" then Him which means there maybe an issue with relationship with Jesus . There is nothing in The bible that says those who put their trust in The Lord Jesus Christ suffer demonic attack . I only say this because the idea is not even biblical . I am not saying your experience was not true but it is not the situation of those who are saved. I would ask only who is Jesus to you respectfully, and what is your understanding of salvation?
 

Vdp

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Why are you giving so much power to Satan? Do you not know that He who is in you is stronger the he who is in the World?

In other words, the Holy Spirit who is in you and in your mother is stronger than Satan and his minions!

Just because a person is sick does not mean they are being attacked by Satan. Many of the symptoms you described can be caused by cancer. I have had over 5 family members die of cancer and i have seen these symptoms you have described.
 
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Hi,

The Bible mentions that witchcraft, black magic and voodoo exists and that innocent people can suffer or even die as a result (Ezekiel 13:17-23).

My mother was a godly woman who never harmed anyone. We always prayed to God and studied the Bible, every single day. We repented and were baptized. We lived a holy life, and were not engaged in any habitual sins. We never engaged in occult practices. We served God and went to Church. We kept the Sabbath day holy. She was the perfect mother, who took care of the house. My mother instructed me, as her daughter, to live a holy life as well. She sent me to a private school to learn more about God. I also attended Bible College. I live a life of abstinence. Yet, I don't understand why God did not protect my mother from witchcraft and demonic attacks? Why did He allow my mother to be attacked for such a very long time, suffer ill health and die as a result?

My mother had dreams and visions of people performing black magic spells and rituals on her. She suffered many different demonic attacks, including: 1) Sexual. 2) A heavy crushing feeling on her back, with difficulty breathing, as though all the air was being squeezed right out of her. 3) An out of the blue, sudden spear-like effect in her leg, which caused excruciating pain as she was walking up the staircase, holding onto the rails while dragging the other leg.

Through black magic, my mother suffered ill health and died as a result. I recorded in my diary, that my mother vomited for six months, every third night, and it always happened between the hours of 12pm and 2am when witches have covens. My mother's cancer was a spiritual, NOT medical related issue because of the way the symptoms manifested, and the fact that she suffered many health problems and was affected by many other symptoms in such a short space of time. I, myself prayed to God for my mother's protection from all this evil that was happening to her. The more I prayed, the more she suffered. The more I fasted, the worse her health became. I also called for priests to bless the apartment to no avail. If God promises long life and protection (Ps 91; 121:7), then why didn't God save my mother? We both had put so much faith and trust in God, and yet I feel that God has really let us down. Why wouldn't God want to demonstrate His awesome power of healing (Ps 103:3), protection (Ps 56:1) and deliverance (Ps 34:17; 50:15), if His word states that He is Almighty God? Wouldn't God want to be glorified? Wouldn't God want to demonstrate that He is more powerful than Satan or witches?

I would really appreciate your reply as soon as possible.

Thank you,
Lilian
First of all let me offer my condolences to your mother and wish you peace as you grieve through your loss, may God be with you in your time of need and know there are people that care about your situation! Don't put yourself in isolation during your grieving process, allow your family and friends to offer support during this critical time in you life. I certainly know how hard it is to lose a parent, I have lost both of mine many years ago but what gives me comfort is that I have faith that God is not only looking after them, but me as well as I struggle in this difficult life we have to live.

I sincerely hope that I do not upset you, but I am a full practicing Witch and I have concerns about the post you placed believing that Witchcraft was responsible for your mother's death. 99% of the witches I know follow a Pagan or Wicca Path and it is expressly forbidden for them to Harm another person so there is no reason for them to harm her, even if she caused harm to them. Another important thing to remember about Witchcraft is that it is not a religion of itself but the supernatural/spiritual gifts a person chooses to develop that makes them a witch and not demonic forces. The Pagan and Wicca religion that witches follow are an Earth based, Nature based reverence (worship) and the 8 Sabbaths and monthly Moon Esbat practices are honoring Life through the seasons changes and the menstrual cycle of a woman. There is no secret demonic rituals that any Pagan or Wicca witch would engage in to harm another person that I know of and I had many years of contacts with different covens in my region. Also please understand the witches that incorporate religion in their practice is very benign and peaceful meant to honor life and not destroy it.

Life is extremely hard and no tomorrow is ever guaranteed this is what I have seen through my parents dying of natural causes from their age and young friends of mine dying as well, through accidents, or bad choices made in their life. In any case I never blamed God for taking them away from me, I have the utmost faith and confidence that He needed them in Heaven more than what we needed them here and I have ever bit of hope and expectations to see them on the other side when it is my turn to cross over upon my death.

Please don't blame God, keep you mothers memories alive in your heart and be thankful she doesn't have to suffer in this world anymore. It was hard to let my mother and father go, but my mothers cancer and my fathers heart condition made them suffer and as hard as it was to see them in that condition I am glad they no longer have to suffer anymore.

I hope what I have said helps you and I'm sorry you have such negative views on Witches, but I completely understand. In ancient times Witches were blamed for all types of evil and bad luck from our elders. Crops that would fail, livestock deaths, people that would become ill, still born babies that mid wives assisted in, were all thought to have been caused by witches and I can assure you they were not. People were also accused of practicing witchcraft that had no association with witchcraft what so ever and that is truly sad to see and one that is hard for me to accept that in this day and time there are people who stereotype witches as people who are trying to harm or kill people with their craft. I myself was a victim of Christians on this website because I said that I was a Witch that loved God and then got a life time ban for that statement. I think that is really sad and I asked to have this account deleted as well after I had the chance to say goodbye to the few Christian friends I made in my short time here. in any event though:

I hope you can heal soon and be comforted by the fact that you and your mother has a close bond. Honor her by living the best life you can, be kind to people who are different than you and make her proud that you are a caring and loving person for all to see. Finally remember that Christ and God did not desert you, We were not promised eternal life here, but in Heaven when it is our turn to cross over. This earth as beautiful as it is pales in comparison to the Awe Inspiring God, Heaven, home and family that is waiting for us on the other side when our time has been called to return to Him. Stay strong my friend and know you are not alone in your grieving and if there is anything I can do for you, by all means private message me if you need to talk. Blessings to you my friend I will pray for you tonight to heal soon!
 
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Well I must say that when you come out of witchcraft that the devil will attack you stronger and harder than just a normal christian because you know his statagies. I still battle against nightmares and attacks but it sounds to me that your mother forgot to give something up where they may still have a stonghold.
Let me give you some tips
Did she give up being used as a vessel of satan? did she give up going to a vessel of satan (fortune telling and things like that), did she give up everything one by one with a witness (another person)
I hope this helped a bit.
Also a good this ***Plus another thing she should try is pray ever night before you go to sleep for the blood of jesus to cover her and protect her from the demoic attacks and nightmares, and pray for God to send angels to her protection*** is praying and fasting
Mark 9:29
And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting.
I'm sorry Demi777, her mother already passed away according to her post. Blessings sis!
 

miknik5

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Giving the occult power IS NOT the issue here. The issue IS that my mother and I had put our faith and trust in God. My mother didn't believe in the occult and yet she suffered all kinds of witchcraft and demonic attacks. We never engaged in occult practices. I know that my mother's cancer was a spiritual issue. I can tell the difference between a spiritual related issue and medical related issue, the difference between natural sickness and demonic sickness. These were deliberate attacks and God didn't stop them. No one can convince me otherwise. That passage you quoted has nothing to do with the occult. The Bible includes many scriptures about the occult. For example, Ezekiel 13; Micah 5:12; Acts 19:19, etc. Read carefully Ezekiel 13, and you will know what I mean and have a better understanding about the issue. I want the truth to be out there. I can only speak the truth and what my mother and I experienced.
In this world?
You put your faith and trust in GOD for HIM to validate and make manifest HIS FAITHFULNESS and PROMISES by healing your mother physically? You needed a sign in this world for GOD to prove HIMSELF?

Was she 'healed" spiritually?
You say she was.
Therefore HE is FAITHFUL...

Further, satan has no power over those who belong to GOD in CHRIST JESUS.
This was NOT a spiritual attack at all...
Other than the emotions involved in watching this...but satan can't cast out GOD'S HOLY SPIRIT...
 
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:smoke: her statement were true and has nothing to do with intruducing someone
as she only wants all the help she could get to this bible forum as she believe in spirits she also believe to those people who were manifested by the holy spirit
and to those people who were enslave by the unholy spirits which she intruduced unto this thread that she made
as we also intruduced our selves in unexpected manner ... .

:8) did anyone remembered our brethren who was a former antichrist :rofl:
he has a lot story to tell which could open our heart and soul
from such situation like this involving evil things that leads a human body
to experienced those unexplainable pains and agony on their lives
even in the holy scriptures it is written
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Job: 2. 1. Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD. 2. And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. 3. And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause. 4. And Satan answered the LORD, and said, Skin for skin, yea, all that a man hath will he give for his life. 5. But put forth thine hand now, and touch his bone and his flesh, and he will curse thee to thy face. 6. And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thine hand; but save his life. 7. So went Satan forth from the presence of the LORD, and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot unto his crown. 8. And he took him a potsherd to scrape himself withal; and he sat down among the ashes. 9. Then said his wife unto him, Dost thou still retain thine integrity? curse God, and die. 10. But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.
~:> AS WE CAN SEE HERE EVEN THE WIFE OF JOB ACCUSED HIM OF NOT BEING FAITHFUL TO GOD BUT BECAUSE JOB IS A HONEST PERSON HE EVEN TOLD WHAT IS REALLY GOIN ON TO HIM FOR HE IS BEEN PUNISHED BY THE EVIL THINGS AND NOT BY THE GOD HE TRULLY WORSHIPPED

:happy: also let us listen to this verse
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1 Samuel: 16. 13. Then Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed him in the midst of his brethren: and the Spirit of the LORD came upon David from that day forward. So Samuel rose up, and went to Ramah. 14. But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him. 15. And Saul's servants said unto him, Behold now, an evil spirit from God troubleth thee. 16. Let our lord now command thy servants, which are before thee, to seek out a man, who is a cunning player on an harp: and it shall come to pass, when the evil spirit from God is upon thee, that he shall play with his hand, and thou shalt be well. 17. And Saul said unto his servants, Provide me now a man that can play well, and bring him to me. 18. Then answered one of the servants, and said, Behold, I have seen a son of Jesse the Bethlehemite, that is cunning in playing, and a mighty valiant man, and a man of war, and prudent in matters, and a comely person, and the LORD is with him. 19. Wherefore Saul sent messengers unto Jesse, and said, Send me David thy son, which is with the sheep. 20. And Jesse took an ass laden with bread, and a bottle of wine, and a kid, and sent them by David his son unto Saul. 21. And David came to Saul, and stood before him: and he loved him greatly; and he became his armourbearer. 22. And Saul sent to Jesse, saying, Let David, I pray thee, stand before me; for he hath found favour in my sight. 23. And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him.
~:> SEE HOW GOD TESTED HIS PEOPLE FOR THIS IS WHAT THEY CALL
THE TRIAL OF WHICH IS TO COME .. . .

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godbless bless us all always
 
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Well I must say that when you come out of witchcraft that the devil will attack you stronger and harder than just a normal christian because you know his statagies. I still battle against nightmares and attacks but it sounds to me that your mother forgot to give something up where they may still have a stonghold.
Let me give you some tips
Did she give up being used as a vessel of satan? did she give up going to a vessel of satan (fortune telling and things like that), did she give up everything one by one with a witness (another person)
I hope this helped a bit.
Plus another thing she should try is pray ever night before you go to sleep for the blood of jesus to cover her and protect her from the demoic attacks and nightmares, and pray for God to send angels to her protection.
Also a good thing is praying and fasting
Mark 9:29
And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting.
She stated on more than one occasion that there was Never any involvement in the occult. It's in the first paragraph even.