Do animals have eternal life?

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I got your point, but is not the erasement of memory only an illusion of happiness instead of a true happiness?

Sure you will be happy if you dont know about problems, but... I dont think its a proper way to be happy. Similar to alcoholic who drinks to forget his problems.
I agree! I believe Gods complete plan and reasons for all the "whys" we have will be known and will BOWL US OVER!
 

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I agree! I believe Gods complete plan and reasons for all the "whys" we have will be known and will BOWL US OVER!
I think "past will not be remembered" does not mean our minds will be deleted, but that the past will be solved so there will be no reason to think about it anymore.
 

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In Genesis we are told that man became a living soul... when? When the breath of life was instilled into the inert elements that comprised the physical aspects of man. That same breath animates animals. Who holds the keys to life? We should all know the answer to that rhetorical question. :)

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
 

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In Genesis we are told that man became a living soul... when? When the breath of life was instilled into the inert elements that comprised the physical aspects of man. That same breath animates animals. Who holds the keys to life? We should all know the answer to that rhetorical question. :)

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
lol lol .....................
 

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#45
I got your point, but is not the erasement of memory only an illusion of happiness instead of a true happiness?

Sure you will be happy if you dont know about problems, but... I dont think its a proper way to be happy. Similar to alcoholic who drinks to forget his problems.
I agree with your assessment that erasing of memory only provides an illusion of happiness. Seems to me that is taking the easy way out for God. I believe that our memories of life on earth will be intact. God said that He would wipe all of our tears away. He did not say that He would simply blot away our tears.
 

trofimus

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My experience is, that no church has ever declared in an official document that our animals will be in heaven, but most of Christians across all various churches and denominations believe so.

Which is an interesting paradox, indeed.
 
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I have found myth busters to be incorrect! They did an experiment on if you shave whether hair will grow back darker and thicker. Problem is, on some people it does, and for some people it doesn't. For me it did! My friend once convinced me to shave my eyebrows instead of plucking them. Ever since then, they have grown where they never used to be- more towards my eyelid and more towards my forehead. Aside from that, all the hairs grew back thicker and darker.

And I know a lady who waxed above her lip and now has a mustache! She has to keep waxing it and shaving it, and when shaven it looks like stumbles just like a man has.

So I know for a fact myth busters are not accurate.
Yeah, but Mythbusters was always about the
"It blowed up! It blowed up good!"

And that's the most important fact for Mythbusters.
 

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Jesus is the lover of my soul. He claim to reclaim that which is His.

Do animals have eternal life?

It can only be surmised one way or another, since it is not explicitly stated one way
or the other. My view is that there is no reason to take a stance against such.

There is this, though:


The word soul in Hebrew is nephesh, meaning “an animated, breathing, conscious,
and living being.” Are animals animated? Do they breathe? Are they conscious? Alive?


Isaiah 11 (NIV)

1 A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse;
from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.
2 The Spirit of the Lord will rest on him—
the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding,
the Spirit of counsel and of might,
the Spirit of the knowledge and fear of the Lord—
3 and he will delight in the fear of the Lord.

He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes,
or decide by what he hears with his ears;
4 but with righteousness he will judge the needy,
with justice he will give decisions for the poor of the earth.
He will strike the earth with the rod of his mouth;
with the breath of his lips he will slay the wicked.
5 Righteousness will be his belt
and faithfulness the sash around his waist.


6 The wolf will live with the lamb,
the leopard will lie down with the goat,
the calf and the lion and the yearling
together;
and a little child will lead them.
7 The cow will feed with the bear,
their young will lie down together,
and the lion will eat straw like the ox.
8 The infant will play near the cobra’s den,
and the young child will put its hand into the viper’s nest.
9 They will neither harm nor destroy
on all my holy mountain,
for the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the Lord
as the waters cover the sea.
 
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I have eave known bugs to be soul-ish. I squirted one with bleach once and I heard it cry as it shriveled up and died. I zapped a fly with a bug zapper, and it started attacking my hand that held the bug zapper instead of the bug zapper itself- how did it know that? I was screaming as it kept crashing into my hand, even as I tried to move away. A mosquito once knew where to bite me where I couldn't see or reach- like it knew.

If the personality of the cat was in the mosquito, of course it couldn't cuddle, etc.
Mosquitoes go after moist, aromatic places (where we sweat.) Most of the places we sweat we can't see. (Behind my knee, under my ankles, and behind my shoulders close to the armpits.)

I also know why they bite some, but not others. Our variety of microbes give off unique odors, as different as fingerprints. Some of them, skits like. Some they don't.
 
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God did not create animals just to subject them to the futility and pain of death. In other words, God didn't create ANYTHING to die. He always says, Live! Live! They were subjected to this futility because of what happened.

I guess no one can decisively say that our dead pets will be resurrected but we can decisively say that in the future, animals will not die. And I know He didn't create them to die originally. No verse says that but doesn't everyone know it?

I've had dogs that were so faithful, they would throw themselves in harms way to protect me. I cannot comprehend that God would reward that faithfulness with death.
If nothing was created to die,, then what about crabgrass? How about anthrax? Dust mites? Ringworms? Cockroaches? Please tell me no roaches in heaven! Centipede? Silverfish? How big is the sequoia gonna get? Lip-biting spiders? Copperheads? Poison ivy? Black widows? Tasmanian devils? Wolverines? Yeesh! How many gnus will there be in heaven? And, how do trees survive if all the beavers that ever live continue to live? Yikes! The American bison! Whoa! Mammoth. Wow! T Rex makes a comeback. Brontosaurus?

(Sorry, got caught up picturing that one. lol)
 
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The scriptures are not openly clear on animals and heaven and animals having souls, a lot of people think only cats and dogs birds and common pets will go to heaven but to say that is to ignore the fact that he created every living creature with great care and feeds and gives them homes. I think animals will go to heaven for several reasons firstly because I believe they do indeed have souls true they were not made in God's images as humans but you consider how we humans make such deep bonds with animals build such deep relationships and weep upon losing them and tell me that animals will not go to heaven.

God would not make them just to be soulless and empty creatures the fact we make such bonds with them tells me they have souls they have their own traits their own personalities they are willing to protect their loved owner and sometimes even give their lives for them if need be. I can't imagine a soulless creature having knowing and showing such love as that, bugs however I am not sure I don't know either way
I'm sure God has his reasons, and if I didn't go squeamish on six legged (or more) critters, I'd get the guts to fnd out those reasons, but I wouldn't complain if God had made the cockroach with a lot less care. They are the most resilient, yet disgusting, critters around.
 
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Will animals live after death?

What are your opinions and/or biblical verses you want to share about this topic?

No, an animal doesn't have a soul. There will be animals in heaven but not our pets.
 
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But the difference is they don't know any better they (sin) in ignorance they are like small children who have yet to understand right from wrong
How do you know they don't know any better? I saw the look on my other cat's face when his housemate "used" him. Cat's have this look of utter disgust often, but that look seemed more so than usual. And then the claws-out paw slap said what he seemed to be showing on his face.
 

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IMO, the problem comes from exalting the creature above that which is intended. People get attached to them and then cannot believe that their animal does not go to heaven upon dying.

Can anyone show us Scripture where God has ordained man to have pets?
 
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I dont like complicated explanations, so I can offer my simplified view of soul, only.

I think soul represents that the creature is a personality, has its emotions, can experience love, sadness, fear, such a creature can have dreams and can have relationship with other "soulish" animals. So that dog can have relationship with dogs, with man, with cat, with some kind of birds etc.
No, honest. I've studied up on it plenty to try to understand. I just don't get dividing parts of a whole well. (I also don't get why people like to divide God into parts, like love, mercy, just, etc.) And I really go nuts over trying to get the difference between soul and spirit (and body gets thrown in occasionally), so you can't simplify or over complex it enough for me. Like I said, much like .html. I just won't get it no matter how hard I try.
 

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IMO, the problem comes from exalting the creature above that which is intended. People get attached to them and then cannot believe that their animal does not go to heaven upon dying.

Can anyone show us Scripture where God has ordained man to have pets?
All of Earth was put under man's stewardship.

Genesis 1:26- And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Genesis 1:28 - And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

 
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In Genesis we are told that man became a living soul... when? When the breath of life was instilled into the inert elements that comprised the physical aspects of man. That same breath animates animals. Who holds the keys to life? We should all know the answer to that rhetorical question. :)

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Here's my problem. This is ESV's version of the same verse:
then the Lord God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature.

So, is that word soul or creature?

And the let's go Holman -
Then the Lord God formed the man out of the dust from the ground and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living being.

Soul, creature, or being? I can do this all day with different verses that some translate into soul. It often gets into soul or spirit too.