IN essence there's no difference between libertine antinomianism (what you described) and Sandemanian antinomianism (not teaching license to sin, but teaching that sinning doesn't matter).
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IN essence there's no difference between libertine antinomianism (what you described) and Sandemanian antinomianism (not teaching license to sin, but teaching that sinning doesn't matter).
Originally Posted by valiantRom 7:3-4
So then if, while the husband liveth, she be joined to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if the husband die, she is free from the law, so that she is no adulteress, though she be joined to another man.
Wherefore, my brethren, ye also were made dead to the law through the body of Christ; that ye should be joined to another, even to him who was raised from the dead, that we might bring forth fruit unto God.
so you want us to break free from the Law through Christ's death and marry Him and then divorce Him and come under the Law again?
Free Grace tells me I am married to Christ for ever, but being married to Him I am responsible to be obedient to Him, as a wife is to her husband
that is what free grace teaches, It might not be what you try to make it teach so you can knock it down.
incidentally I consider your claim to the title Lordship salvation is erroneous. All who teach the Lord Jesus Christ believe in Lordship salvation, the difference is that grace teachers believe He is sufficiently LORD to guarantee their salvation (1 Cor 1.7-9; Romans 5 & 8; Phil 2.6; John 6.39) that HE is in charge, and not they. They are not struggling to save themselves like you are
Originally Posted by valiant
so there is no difference between Paul and Sandeman? Your false case is proven,
You're just being obstinate.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Grace_theology
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lordship_salvation_controversy
Ephesians 2:8,9
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; [SUP]9 [/SUP]not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
We receive Salvation by the Grace of God. We do not work to keep our Salvation because it was by God's Grace that we have received it.
If we did not work for our Salvation then how can we lose our Salvation by not working?
Since we have received Salvation by the Grace of God we can never lose our Salvation.
Tell me, did we receive Salvation by not sinning?
Did we receive Salvation by our own works?
Did we receive Salvation by being obedient to God?
Therefore there is NOTHING we can do to lose our Salvation.
All those who teach we receive Salvation by doing something, in other words working for Salvation, do not understand God and have no clue about how we really receive Salvation.
We must remember there are many Catholics on this chat site teaching their false doctrine of working for one's Salvation.
Its these who are we are to look out for. Beware their teachings.
Matthew 7:15
[SUP]15 [/SUP]“Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; [SUP]9 [/SUP]not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
We receive Salvation by the Grace of God. We do not work to keep our Salvation because it was by God's Grace that we have received it.
If we did not work for our Salvation then how can we lose our Salvation by not working?
Since we have received Salvation by the Grace of God we can never lose our Salvation.
Tell me, did we receive Salvation by not sinning?
Did we receive Salvation by our own works?
Did we receive Salvation by being obedient to God?
Therefore there is NOTHING we can do to lose our Salvation.
All those who teach we receive Salvation by doing something, in other words working for Salvation, do not understand God and have no clue about how we really receive Salvation.
We must remember there are many Catholics on this chat site teaching their false doctrine of working for one's Salvation.
Its these who are we are to look out for. Beware their teachings.
Matthew 7:15
[SUP]15 [/SUP]“Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
Originally Posted by valiant
incidentally I consider your claim to the title Lordship salvation is erroneous. All who teach the Lord Jesus Christ believe in Lordship salvation, the difference is that grace teachers believe He is sufficiently LORD to guarantee their salvation (1 Cor 1.7-9; Romans 5 & 8; Phil 2.6; John 6.39) that HE is in charge, and not they. They are not struggling to save themselves like you are
at least I don't get my theology from Wikipedia.LOL
I would say obstinate describes you to a T
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UnderGrace
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I don't see anything In that post#374 about doing GOD's will,so then wouldn't you say that,that Is grace?
I think you may be talking about salvation and If you are,then we have access to this grace through faith,(talking about the faith of JESUS)comes by hearing and hearing by the WORD of GOD.
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Ariel82
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If you included a sentence about "those who believe that you can lose your salvation by not doing works." the arrow might hit truer.
The debate seems more about OSAS than Lordship salvation.
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Ariel82
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