Jesus and mary magdalene

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jaybird88

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The main problem is that this whole issue is an unwanted distraction from what really does matter.
There is so much misinformation about who Jesus Christ really was, not to mention some unbelievably malicious stuff about Jesus Christ abroad in the world already.
The Word of God is completely silent on this issue - simple as that.
It did not happen.
If it had do you really believe Scripture would have been silent on the issue?

If it had happened there would have been nothing to hide and so it would have had prominence in Scripture.
But it didn't happen!

So, lets get back to the important issues at hand - the magnitude of what Christ Jesus achieved for us on the cross!
so in other words you dont know?
 

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i never said Jesus showed erotic inclination towards a woman. marriage is more than just "yippee i finally get to go have sex!!!" some believe its about having a family. if a man and women being together is so bad then wjy is it when they come together they make children. Jesus teaches many times on how beautiful and special children are, i know of no times He teaches such things are an attack on Him or His divinity.
The general purpose of marriage is salvation (at least in my church): Christ did not need that since he brings salvation.

The more specific purpose of marriage is : procreation, mutual help, remedy for lust.

So, it makes absolutely no logic to imply Jesus Christ was married, unless you don't believe He was God. Or maybe your version of God allows you to think such blashpemy. Clearly you don't see the blasphemy in it, so, why not?

He doesn't teach He is the second person of the trinity either. He doesn't ask people to write books about him either. So? What's your point? That the Church is wrong?
 

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where does Jesus teach this?
If you are referring to marriage and that kind of stuff in heaven we can read Matthew 5

Matthew 22:
23 ¶The same day came to him the Sadducees, which say that there is no resurrection, and asked him,
24 Saying, Master, Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.
25 Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left his wife unto his brother:
26 Likewise the second also, and the third, unto the seventh.
27 And last of all the woman died also.
28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.



All Praise The Ancient of Days

 

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You have just contradicted a plain reading of Scripture. Heb. 4:15

For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are--yet he did not sin.
He did not sin because the temptation did not work... Jesus made it clear that even thinking about lusting over a woman was sin.. Sin does not start when someone does something.. Sin is done when someone merely thinks about that sin...

Matthew 5:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Jesus knew no sin.. Because He was God manifested in the Flesh..
 

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i never said Jesus showed erotic inclination towards a woman. marriage is more than just "yippee i finally get to go have sex!!!" some believe its about having a family. if a man and women being together is so bad then wjy is it when they come together they make children.
One more thing: children come from the libido of people. It's elementary logic and there's nothing bad and dirty in it. Things change, howerver, when you subject Jesus Christ to sexual desires.
 
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The general purpose of marriage is salvation (at least in my church): Christ did not need that since he brings salvation.

The more specific purpose of marriage is : procreation, mutual help, remedy for lust.

So, it makes absolutely no logic to imply Jesus Christ was married, unless you don't believe He was God. Or maybe your version of God allows you to think such blashpemy. Clearly you don't see the blasphemy in it, so, why not?

He doesn't teach He is the second person of the trinity either. He doesn't ask people to write books about him either. So? What's your point? That the Church is wrong?
my point is why do people think if Jesus was married He could not do what He did, teach what He taught, be who He was, and have the relationship with the Father like He did. i dont see how being married would change all that.

Moses, Elijah, Abraham and many other great patriarchs were married and it didnt change anything. of those great leaders i dont remember once it being suggested that had they not been married, not been with women, they could have been so much more.
 

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if you ever mention Jesus being married it will really get people upset. why is it such a taboo question? if Jesus was married, what difference does it make? how does it change anything?
I think that root is still kinda through the catholic impact of how much sex is supposed to be a sin. I doubt that he was married as I dont think it would be a nice marriage ( with or without kids) as after a few years you can watch your hubby get crucified. It would have not changed anything because marriage is not a sin with all that comes with it.
 
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Moses, Elijah, Abraham and many other great patriarchs were married and it didnt change anything. of those great leaders i dont remember once it being suggested that had they not been married, not been with women, they could have been so much more.
Friend, Jesus Christ was more than a prophet. Do you believe He is fully man and fully God, yes or no? Because if you don't believe he is God than it is possible that He got married.
 
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Jaybird, I will use myself as an example. I got married to my beautiful wife because I was head over heels in love with her and she gave my a warm fuzzy feeling. The thing is I was in love brother, I needed that companionship of my best friend and I also had a desire to have a future family with her.

The reality is that Jesus did not need a wife because he created everything. He was 100% man but also 100% God and that is where the spiritual are in conflict with the physical. We have physical desires and look at the world as physical human beings. Jesus was also here 100% in the physical realm but He was also here 100% with His spiritual awareness triggered. You can see that His goal and destiny was not to show us the example of how to be a good father but for our Salvation (Yeshua)brother.

The Creator does not long for the creation, it should be other way around... :)
 
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my point is why do people think if Jesus was married He could not do what He did, teach what He taught, be who He was, and have the relationship with the Father like He did. i dont see how being married would change all that.

Moses, Elijah, Abraham and many other great patriarchs were married and it didnt change anything. of those great leaders i dont remember once it being suggested that had they not been married, not been with women, they could have been so much more.
"Moses, Elijah, Abraham and many other great patriarchs" were born from the sinful seed of their fathers while Jesus was born from the sinless seed of His Father.

What would have happened if He had children? The seed or bloodline was sinless (uncorrupted) and it would gave Satan another chance to challenge salvation from sinless seed (like he did with Adam and Eve). There are only two people in the Bible called the sons of God - Adam and Jesus.
 
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If you are referring to marriage and that kind of stuff in heaven we can read Matthew 5

Matthew 22:
23 ¶The same day came to him the Sadducees, which say that there is no resurrection, and asked him,
24 Saying, Master, Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.
25 Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left his wife unto his brother:
26 Likewise the second also, and the third, unto the seventh.
27 And last of all the woman died also.
28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.



All Praise The Ancient of Days

Jesus and the pharisees were speaking of the next world, "whos wife will she be in the next world?". we are talking about this world right here right now. Jesus once taught in this world right here right now. and that time is what the focus is on.
 
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:8) the truth my brethren brother
is that the mind of all people were set since the teachings of those people from the past which begin in the time of the emperor who choice to accept christianity in order to used it for his empire to reighn again in this world
where not saying that his bad or evil for doing that kind of thing
for what matters most unto him during that time is his kingdom
although the history tells something about this
as it is written
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Early persecutions
At the conclusion of the Peace of Nisibis, Diocletian and Galerius returned to Syrian Antioch.[160] At some time in 299, the emperors took part in a ceremony of sacrifice and divination in an attempt to predict the future. The haruspices were unable to read the entrails of the sacrificed animals and blamed Christians in the Imperial household. The emperors ordered all members of the court to perform a sacrifice to purify the palace. The emperors sent letters to the military command, demanding the entire army perform the required sacrifices or face discharge.[161] Diocletian was conservative in matters of religion, a man faithful to the traditional Roman pantheon and understanding of demands for religious purification,[162] but Eusebius, Lactantius and Constantine state that it was Galerius, not Diocletian, who was the prime supporter of the purge, and its greatest beneficiary.[163] Galerius, even more devoted and passionate than Diocletian, saw political advantage in the politics of persecution. He was willing to break with a government policy of inaction on the issue.[164]

Antioch was Diocletian's primary residence from 299 to 302, while Galerius swapped places with his Augustus on the Middle and Lower Danube.[165] Diocletian visited Egypt once, over the winter of 301–2, and issued a grain dole in Alexandria.[164] Following some public disputes with Manicheans, Diocletian ordered that the leading followers of Mani be burnt alive along with their scriptures. In a 31 March 302 rescript from Alexandria, he declared that low-status Manicheans must be executed by the blade, and high-status Manicheans must be sent to work in the quarries of Proconnesus (Marmara Island, Turkey) or the mines of Phaeno in southern Palestine. All Manichean property was to be seized and deposited in the imperial treasury.[166] Diocletian found much to be offended by in Manichean religion: its novelty, its alien origins, the way it corrupted the morals of the Roman race, and its inherent opposition to long-standing religious traditions.[167] Manichaeanism was also supported by Persia at the time, compounding religious dissent with international politics.[168] Excepting Persian support, the reasons he disliked Manichaenism were equally applicable, if not more so, to Christianity, his next target.[169]


Catacomb of Saints Marcellinus and Peter on the Via Labicana. Christ between Peter and Paul. To the sides are the martyrs Gorgonius, Peter, Marcellinus, Tiburtius

Great Persecution
Diocletian returned to Antioch in the autumn of 302. He ordered that the deacon Romanus of Caesarea have his tongue removed for defying the order of the courts and interrupting official sacrifices. Romanus was then sent to prison, where he was executed on 17 November 303. Diocletian believed that Romanus of Caesarea was arrogant, and he left the city for Nicomedia in the winter, accompanied by Galerius.[170] According to Lactantius, Diocletian and Galerius entered into an argument over imperial policy towards Christians while wintering at Nicomedia in 302. Diocletian argued that forbidding Christians from the bureaucracy and military would be sufficient to appease the gods, but Galerius pushed for extermination. The two men sought the advice of the oracle of Apollo at Didyma.[171] The oracle responded that the impious on Earth hindered Apollo's ability to provide advice. Rhetorically Eusebius records the Oracle as saying "The just on Earth..."[172] These impious, Diocletian was informed by members of the court, could only refer to the Christians of the empire. At the behest of his court, Diocletian acceded to demands for universal persecution.[173]

On 23 February 303, Diocletian ordered that the newly built church at Nicomedia be razed. He demanded that its scriptures be burned, and seized its precious stores for the treasury.[174] The next day, Diocletian's first "Edict against the Christians" was published.[175] The edict ordered the destruction of Christian scriptures and places of worship across the empire, and prohibited Christians from assembling for worship.[176] Before the end of February, a fire destroyed part of the Imperial palace.[177] Galerius convinced Diocletian that the culprits were Christians, conspirators who had plotted with the eunuchs of the palace. An investigation was commissioned, but no responsible party was found. Executions followed anyway, and the palace eunuchs Dorotheus and Gorgonius were executed. One individual, Peter Cubicularius, was stripped, raised high, and scourged. Salt and vinegar were poured in his wounds, and he was slowly boiled over an open flame. The executions continued until at least 24 April 303, when six individuals, including the bishop Anthimus, were decapitated.[178] A second fire occurred sixteen days after the first. Galerius left the city for Rome, declaring Nicomedia unsafe.[177] Diocletian would soon follow.[178]

Although further persecutionary edicts followed, compelling the arrest of the Christian clergy and universal acts of sacrifice,[179] the persecutionary edicts were ultimately unsuccessful; most Christians escaped punishment, and pagans too were generally unsympathetic to the persecution. The martyrs' sufferings strengthened the resolve of their fellow Christians.[180] Constantius and Maximian did not apply the later persecutionary edicts, and left the Christians of the West unharmed.[181] Galerius rescinded the edict in 311, announcing that the persecution had failed to bring Christians back to traditional religion.[182] The temporary apostasy of some Christians, and the surrendering of scriptures, during the persecution played a major role in the subsequent Donatist controversy.[183] Within twenty-five years of the persecution's inauguration, the Christian Emperor Constantine would rule the empire alone. He would reverse the consequences of the edicts, and return all confiscated property to Christians.[184] Under Constantine's rule, Christianity would become the empire's preferred religion.[185] Diocletian was demonized by his Christian successors: Lactantius intimated that Diocletian's ascendancy heralded the apocalypse,[186] and in Serbian mythology, Diocletian is remembered as Dukljan, the adversary of God.[187]

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godbless us all always
 
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jaybird88

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Friend, Jesus Christ was more than a prophet. Do you believe He is fully man and fully God, yes or no? Because if you don't believe he is God than it is possible that He got married.
i agree, Jesus was a great deal more than a prophet. He was the Son of the All High. Elijah was a prophet, many think he was the greatest of all prophets, aside from being a speaker of the Lord, he did great miracles, healed, his bones even brought people back from the dead. all that and he was married as well.
Elijah could do all this with a wife but not Jesus? i dont think so.
Jesus teaches on vows of chastity but would Jesus need to take such a vow to accomplish everything He intended to do?
 
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:haha: so what if jesus is married when he was in human form
he was god made flesh our lord and saviour the only begotten son of god
thats why the lord god the father almighty who is good and cannot lie
is greater than him
as it is written
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Juan: 14. 28. Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

29. And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.
30. Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

31. But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.

~;> WILL YOU LOST YOUR FAITH IN HIM IF HE IS MARRIED
HOW COME SOME HUMANS WERE LIKE THAT
WHEN IN HEAVEN IF THE TIME COMES
YOU AND YOUR WIFE WILL BECOME THE BEST COMPANION EVER
(BUT ONLY ONE WIFE NO MORE NO LESS AND NO MORE MISTRESS TOO)
ALONG WITH ALL ALL YOUR LOVED ONES
BUT HAVING NO MALICE AND DECEPTION FOR EACH OTHER
THAT WHY
OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR THE CHRIST JESUST THE ONLY BEGOTTEN OF GOD
SAID THIS THINGS BEFORE
as it is written
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Mateo: 22. 29. Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30. For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

31. But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
32. I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
33. And when the multitude heard this, they were astonished at his doctrine.

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godbless us all always
 
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:rofl: thats why humans were able to have a happy marriage life here
in this reality whithin this plane of existence
because when the time comes
the law of marriage according to man shall be denied
by the law of the spirits
thats why
our lord jesus christ our saviour the only begotten son of god
said this things before unto those people during that time
as it is written
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Mateo: 19. 3. The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?

4. And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

5. And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
6. Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

7. They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
8. He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

9. And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
10. His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry.

11. But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.

12. For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

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i agree, Jesus was a great deal more than a prophet. He was the Son of the All High. Elijah was a prophet, many think he was the greatest of all prophets, aside from being a speaker of the Lord, he did great miracles, healed, his bones even brought people back from the dead. all that and he was married as well.
Elijah could do all this with a wife but not Jesus? i dont think so.
Jesus teaches on vows of chastity but would Jesus need to take such a vow to accomplish everything He intended to do?
I already responded to you in posts 42 and 45.

This conversation is getting nowhere because you don't understand who Jesus Christ is.

All of you jumped over my head when I said that Jesus Christ did not show erotic inclination towards women. And your reaction shows that erotism is something bad and dirty. Someone even said that my mind was dirty. Why this hypocrite reaction when this thread proposes to us the hypothesis that Jesus Christ was married.

So how is it? Is erotism bad or not? Is sexual instinct a genuine human need or not?

Why would God need a wife?
 

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Not to mention that in the eyes of God marriage is an eternal union.
 

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Interesting how people wish to limit God and then pretend it is us who does not know
Who Jesus Christ is, and while agreeing that marriage is a remedy for sin, disparaging
those who claim it is more than that. Thinking about marriage or having a life partner
is not a sin and yet that has also been claimed and agreed with. You people are funny :p

 

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The Word of God is completely silent on this issue - simple as that.
It did not happen.
If it had do you really believe Scripture would have been silent on the issue?

If it had happened there would have been nothing to hide and so it would have had prominence in Scripture.
But it didn't happen!
Interesting how you completely contradict yourself here and then rationalize it.
You were ahead to simply say that Scripture is silent on the issue.
 

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Jesus and the pharisees were speaking of the next world, "whos wife will she be in the next world?". we are talking about this world right here right now. Jesus once taught in this world right here right now. and that time is what the focus is on.
The biblical verse "For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven" means so much more than you understood.

Jesus Christ is announcing (and bringing) the kingdom of God on earth (with His resurrection). Jesus Christ is God incarnated. But what is the purpose of His incarnation? Have you ever wondered that? Why didn't he save the world without incarnating? What? What is not possible? Of course it was. Everything is possible with God. Yet, he prefered to incarnate. Why?