Is Apocrypha Inspired of God?

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lifeconnects

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What do you think? Please let us know.
 
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TonyJay

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no...............
 

Utah

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People are inspired everyday by God and many put their inspirations down in writing, but that doesn't mean we should be adding it to Scripture. What do you want to add?
 
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What do you think? Please let us know.
Its an evil work, The god of this world ,yes

This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.Jam 3:15
 
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Yahweh_is_gracious

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Not sure if it's inspired by God, but I enjoy reading the Apocrypha and find that it has helped deepen my understanding of accepted Scriptural texts.
 
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The Apocrypha books were never Inspired by God. These are books written between the Old Testament and the New Testament time.

Never did Jesus ever quote from the Apocrypha books. Not even once.

Its also these books that the Catholic Church uses to justify their false Doctrines like Purgatory.

There is nothing wrong with reading them. But there is a LOT wrong with including then in the Bible. This is why during the Reformation they removed all the Apocrypha books from the Bible.
 

hornetguy

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No, I do not believe they are inspired by God, in the same sense that the canon of scripture is.

Reading them is interesting, much like reading "The Shack" or CS Lewis, but they are not the inspired word of God, IMO.
 

notuptome

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Any value found in the Apocrypha is historic in nature not divine.

There are too many contradictions with other scriptures contained in the Apocrypha to have been written by divine inspiration. the Holy Spirit does not attest to their validity as scripture and therefor they are not profitable for doctrine at least sound doctrine.

For the cause of Christ
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trofimus

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By "apocrypha" you mean deuterocanonical books like in LXX and used with canonical books till the 19th century?

Or do you mean real apocrypha that were never used by church like the gospel of Thomas?


I would say the first ones are not inspired but are useful to read.

The second one are not inspired and are not useful to read, because there are many errors and lies in them.
 
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All truth comes from God.

Sometimes in words what is true is mixed with what is false including writings of history and sayings.

Sometimes stories are told to teach people things, to help them learn more of what is true and what is false.

Sometimes a person may show another person a story and not tell them if it really happened or not because they want to test them to see what level of ability they have in judging and to stop them from lying about the level of ability they have in judging and if there is a need, to be a part of helping them improve their ability to judge.

You may agree that when a man serves God by speaking a truth in words it is divine.

You may look below and think of how the Apocrypha should be judged by a Christian and compare what you may read below to all you may have read in this post so far.

1 Thessalonians 5:

19 Do not put out the Spirit's fire;
20 do not treat prophecies with contempt.
21 Test everything. Hold on to the good.

Compared to:

Jeremiah 24:2

One basket had very good figs, like those that ripen early; the other basket had very bad figs, so bad they could not be eaten.

If there is a need to say, from that above it may be thought that when reading writings of history or sayings a person should separate the parts that are true from the parts that are false in the writings of history or sayings and "Hold on to the good." and that there should be no biased judgement.

You may agree that there are times when something false in words is good for showing something to be true.

Part of 1 Peter 4:11

If anyone speaks, they should do so as one who speaks the very words of God.

Thinking about that part of a Bible and all I have said in this post, do you think anything you may say is adding words to the Bible and therefore not the truth and not divine ?

 

Vdp

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Everything in the Scriptures is from God and is the Truth!

Man in his limited I.Q, cannot understand what God says. This is why sometimes there is doubt about passages in the Scriptures.

All History in the Scriptures is true History, not false History.
 
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Everything in the Scriptures is from God and is the Truth!

Man in his limited I.Q, cannot understand what God says. This is why sometimes there is doubt about passages in the Scriptures.

All History in the Scriptures is true History, not false History.
If there is a need to say, I didn't say that writings of history that have been inspired by God are false.

I said "All truth comes from God." and "Sometimes in words what is true is mixed with what is false including writings of history"
 

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Are you saying only parts of the Scriptures are Inspired from God? That some parts of the Scriptures are false?

If you are then you do not understand that all the Scriptures are Inspired by God and are from God. There are no false writing of History in the Scriptures.
 
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Are you saying only parts of the Scriptures are Inspired from God? That some parts of the Scriptures are false?
The words of God are truth. All truth comes from God. Sometimes in words what is true is mixed with what is false including writings of history.

If you are then you do not understand that all the Scriptures are Inspired by God and are from God. There are no false writing of History in the Scriptures.
God doesn't lie.
 

Magenta

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21 reasons why the Apocrypha is not inspired:

The Roman Catholic Church did not officially canonize the Apocrypha until the Council of Trent (1546 AD). This was in part because the Apocrypha contained material which supported certain Catholic doctrines, such as purgatory, praying for the dead, and the treasury of merit.

Not one of them is in the Hebrew language, which was alone used by the inspired historians and poets of the Old Testament

Not one of the writers lays any claim to inspiration.

These books were never acknowledged as sacred Scriptures by the Jewish Church, and therefore were never sanctioned by our Lord.

They were not allowed a place among the sacred books, during the first four centuries of the Christian Church.

They contain fabulous statements, and statements which contradict not only the canonical Scriptures, but themselves; as when, in the two Books of Maccabees, Antiochus Epiphanes is made to die three different deaths in as many different places.

The Apocrypha inculcates doctrines at variance with the Bible, such as prayers for the dead and sinless perfection.

The apocrypha contains offensive materials unbecoming of God's authorship.

-Ecclesiasticus 25:19 Any iniquity is insignificant compared to a wife's iniquity.

-Ecclesiasticus 25:24 From a woman sin had its beginning. Because of her we all die.

-Ecclesiasticus 22:3 It is a disgrace to be the father of an undisciplined, and the birth of a daughter is a loss.

It teaches immoral practices, such as lying, suicide, assassination and magical incantation

The apocryphal books themselves make reference to what we call the Silent 400 years, where there was no prophets of God to write inspired materials.

-And they laid up the stones in the mountain of the temple in a convenient place, till there should come a prophet, and give answer concerning them. (1 Maccabees 4:46)

-And there was a great tribulation in Israel, such as was not since the day, that there was no prophet seen in Israel. (1 Maccabees 9:27)

-And that the Jews, and their priests, had consented that he should be their prince, and high priest for ever, till there should arise a faithful prophet. (1 Maccabees 14:4)

Josephus rejected the apocryphal books as inspired and this reflected Jewish thought at the time of Jesu"From Artexerxes to our own time the complete history has been written but has not been deemed worthy of equal credit with the earlier records because of the failure of the exact succession of the prophets." ... "We have not an innumerable multitude of books among us, disagreeing from and contradicting one another, but only twenty-two books, which contain the records of all the past times; which are justly believed to be divine..."(Flavius Josephus, Against Apion 1:8)

The Manual of Discipline in the Dead Sea Scrolls rejected the apocrypha as inspired.

The Council of Jamnia held the same view rejected the apocrypha as inspired.

They debated the canonicity of a few books (e.g., Ecclesiastes), but they changed nothing and never proclaimed themselves to be authoritative determiners of the Old Testament canon. "The books which they decided to acknowledge as canonical were already generally accepted, although questions had been raised about them. Those which they refused to admit had never been included. They did not expel from the canon any book which had previously been admitted. 'The Council of Jamnia was the confirming of public opinion, not the forming of it.'" (F. F. Bruce, The Books and Parchments [Old Tappan, NJ.: Fleming H. Revell, 1963], p. 98])

Although it was occasionally quoted in early church writings, it was nowhere accepted in a canon. Melito (AD 170) and Origen rejected the Apocrypha, (Eccl. Hist. VI. 25, Eusebius) as does the Muratorian Canon.

Jerome vigorously resisted including the Apocrypha in his Latin Vulgate Version (400 AD), but was overruled. As a result, the standard Roman Catholic Bible throughout the medieval period contained it. Thus, it gradually came to be revered by the average clergyman. Still, many medieval Catholic scholars realized that it was not inspired.

The terms "protocanonical" and "deuterocanonical" are used by Catholics to signify respectively those books of Scripture that were received by the entire Church from the beginning as inspired, and those whose inspiration came to be recognized later, after the matter had been disputed by certain Fathers and local churches.

Pope Damasus (366-384) authorized Jerome to translate the Latin Vulgate. The Council of Carthage declared this translation as "the infallible and authentic Bible." Jerome was the first to describe the extra 7 Old Testament books as the "Apocrypha" (doubtful authenticity). Needless to say, Jerome's Latin Vulgate did not include the Apocrypha.

Cyril (born about A.D. 315) - "Read the divine Scriptures - namely, the 22 books of the Old Testament which the 72 interpreters translated" (the Septuagint).

The apocrypha wasn't included at first in the Septuagint, but was appended by the Alexandrian Jews, and was not listed in any of the catalogues of the inspired books till the 4th century.

Hilary (bishop of Poictiers, 350 A.D.) rejected the apocrypha (Prologue to the Psalms, Sec. 15).

Epiphanius (the great opposer of heresy, 360 A.D.) rejected them all. Referring to Wisdom of Solomon & book of Jesus Sirach, he said "These indeed are useful books & profitable, but they are not placed in the number of the canonical."
http://www.bible.ca/catholic-apocrypha.htm
 
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21 reasons why the Apocrypha is not inspired:

The Roman Catholic Church did not officially canonize the Apocrypha until the Council of Trent (1546 AD). This was in part because the Apocrypha contained material which supported certain Catholic doctrines, such as purgatory, praying for the dead, and the treasury of merit.

Not one of them is in the Hebrew language, which was alone used by the inspired historians and poets of the Old Testament

Not one of the writers lays any claim to inspiration.

These books were never acknowledged as sacred Scriptures by the Jewish Church, and therefore were never sanctioned by our Lord.

They were not allowed a place among the sacred books, during the first four centuries of the Christian Church.

They contain fabulous statements, and statements which contradict not only the canonical Scriptures, but themselves; as when, in the two Books of Maccabees, Antiochus Epiphanes is made to die three different deaths in as many different places.

The Apocrypha inculcates doctrines at variance with the Bible, such as prayers for the dead and sinless perfection.

The apocrypha contains offensive materials unbecoming of God's authorship.

-Ecclesiasticus 25:19 Any iniquity is insignificant compared to a wife's iniquity.

-Ecclesiasticus 25:24 From a woman sin had its beginning. Because of her we all die.

-Ecclesiasticus 22:3 It is a disgrace to be the father of an undisciplined, and the birth of a daughter is a loss.

It teaches immoral practices, such as lying, suicide, assassination and magical incantation

The apocryphal books themselves make reference to what we call the Silent 400 years, where there was no prophets of God to write inspired materials.

-And they laid up the stones in the mountain of the temple in a convenient place, till there should come a prophet, and give answer concerning them. (1 Maccabees 4:46)

-And there was a great tribulation in Israel, such as was not since the day, that there was no prophet seen in Israel. (1 Maccabees 9:27)

-And that the Jews, and their priests, had consented that he should be their prince, and high priest for ever, till there should arise a faithful prophet. (1 Maccabees 14:4)

Josephus rejected the apocryphal books as inspired and this reflected Jewish thought at the time of Jesu"From Artexerxes to our own time the complete history has been written but has not been deemed worthy of equal credit with the earlier records because of the failure of the exact succession of the prophets." ... "We have not an innumerable multitude of books among us, disagreeing from and contradicting one another, but only twenty-two books, which contain the records of all the past times; which are justly believed to be divine..."(Flavius Josephus, Against Apion 1:8)

The Manual of Discipline in the Dead Sea Scrolls rejected the apocrypha as inspired.

The Council of Jamnia held the same view rejected the apocrypha as inspired.

They debated the canonicity of a few books (e.g., Ecclesiastes), but they changed nothing and never proclaimed themselves to be authoritative determiners of the Old Testament canon. "The books which they decided to acknowledge as canonical were already generally accepted, although questions had been raised about them. Those which they refused to admit had never been included. They did not expel from the canon any book which had previously been admitted. 'The Council of Jamnia was the confirming of public opinion, not the forming of it.'" (F. F. Bruce, The Books and Parchments [Old Tappan, NJ.: Fleming H. Revell, 1963], p. 98])

Although it was occasionally quoted in early church writings, it was nowhere accepted in a canon. Melito (AD 170) and Origen rejected the Apocrypha, (Eccl. Hist. VI. 25, Eusebius) as does the Muratorian Canon.

Jerome vigorously resisted including the Apocrypha in his Latin Vulgate Version (400 AD), but was overruled. As a result, the standard Roman Catholic Bible throughout the medieval period contained it. Thus, it gradually came to be revered by the average clergyman. Still, many medieval Catholic scholars realized that it was not inspired.

The terms "protocanonical" and "deuterocanonical" are used by Catholics to signify respectively those books of Scripture that were received by the entire Church from the beginning as inspired, and those whose inspiration came to be recognized later, after the matter had been disputed by certain Fathers and local churches.

Pope Damasus (366-384) authorized Jerome to translate the Latin Vulgate. The Council of Carthage declared this translation as "the infallible and authentic Bible." Jerome was the first to describe the extra 7 Old Testament books as the "Apocrypha" (doubtful authenticity). Needless to say, Jerome's Latin Vulgate did not include the Apocrypha.

Cyril (born about A.D. 315) - "Read the divine Scriptures - namely, the 22 books of the Old Testament which the 72 interpreters translated" (the Septuagint).

The apocrypha wasn't included at first in the Septuagint, but was appended by the Alexandrian Jews, and was not listed in any of the catalogues of the inspired books till the 4th century.

Hilary (bishop of Poictiers, 350 A.D.) rejected the apocrypha (Prologue to the Psalms, Sec. 15).

Epiphanius (the great opposer of heresy, 360 A.D.) rejected them all. Referring to Wisdom of Solomon & book of Jesus Sirach, he said "These indeed are useful books & profitable, but they are not placed in the number of the canonical."
http://www.bible.ca/catholic-apocrypha.htm
All truth comes from God.

Sometimes in words what is true is mixed with what is false including writings of history and sayings.