Is Apocrypha Inspired of God?

[NarrowRoadDisciple]

if the Apocrypha books were never accepted by Jews and Christians or "anyone" then why were they included in the septuagint which was 200 years before Jesus was teaching. if many of the Apostles were teaching in Greece, speaking in Greek and writing in Greek, which collection of books you think they would have used when doing their assembly readings?

The Septuagint has its own issues, some being historical in nature as well as the inclusion of the apocryphal books.

 

[jaybird88]

The Apocryphal books were included in the Septuagint for historical and religious purposes, but are not recognized by Protestant Christians or Orthodox Jews as canonical (inspired by God). Most reformed teachers will point out that the New Testament writers never quoted from the Apocryphal books, and that the Apocrypha was never considered part of the canonical Jewish scripture. However, the Roman Catholic Church and the Orthodox churches include the Apocrypha in their Bible (except for the books of Esdras and the Prayer of Manasseh). Septuagint

i cant claim they are inspired, i dont know as i wasnt there. but lets say they are not, does this mean they teach things that are rebellious to our Lord? why is it when you mention apocrypha so many Christians get all huffy and puffy? what exactly is in these books that are so bad and if such bad teachings are in them why in the world would they have included them in the septuagint in the first place?

and why is apocrypha and septuagint so hard to spell?

 

[NarrowRoadDisciple]

i cant claim they are inspired, i dont know as i wasnt there. but lets say they are not, does this mean they teach things that are rebellious to our Lord? why is it when you mention apocrypha so many Christians get all huffy and puffy? what exactly is in these books that are so bad and if such bad teachings are in them why in the world would they have included them in the septuagint in the first place?

and why is apocrypha and septuagint so hard to spell?

There are some doctrinal issues in the apocrypha, hence why they were not included as canon in the Tanakh and even throughout the first few centuries of "church" history.

 

[jaybird88]

The Septuagint has its own issues, some being historical in nature as well as the inclusion of the apocryphal books.

so why is it the DSS line up better with the septuagint than the masoretic?

 

[jaybird88]

There are some doctrinal issues in the apocrypha, hence why they were not included as canon in the Tanakh and even throughout the first few centuries of "church" history.

this i agree. so the bible should be bent to conform to church doctrines?

 

[emjcares]

i cant claim they are inspired, i dont know as i wasnt there. but lets say they are not, does this mean they teach things that are rebellious to our Lord? why is it when you mention apocrypha so many Christians get all huffy and puffy? what exactly is in these books that are so bad and if such bad teachings are in them why in the world would they have included them in the septuagint in the first place?

and why is apocrypha and septuagint so hard to spell?

It's a conspiracie

 

[srhennig]

no, any questions?

 

[emjcares]

no, any questions?

yes, you can't bend a great big bible.

(But some people try to twist it)

 

[fredoheaven]

What do you think? Please let us know.

Hi Lifeconnects,

The question is about Appcrypha if inspired. Certain Canonical terms are used to classify books of the Bible.

1. Homologoumena. This means "canonical books accepted by all". This simply refers to the 66 books are authunthic, genuine and inspired Books which form the Holy Bible.

2.Antilogemena. This means "canonical books disputed by some" These refers to the Jewish council, the School of Shammai" convened at Jabneh in 90AD where at least 5 Books of the Bible has been disputed. The books like the "Song of Solomon". It was disputed of its so called sensual language, however, the blessed book promotes sanctity and purity of marriage. The others are the Books of Ecclesisates because of skeptical language, The book of Esther where the word "God" or the name of God is absent al throughout the chapters.This included Ezekiel and the Proverbs as well.

3. Apocrypha. This means "spurious books accepted by some". Why it is not inspired? While it may have some historic value but all are spurious. of unknown authorship and without claim of inspiration or authority. Some are legendary and fantasy. " parang komiks"

4. Pseudepigrapha. This means spurious books rejected by all". "Likhang isip" lan po mga ito examples. Enoch, Secrets of Enoch Testament of Job, Testament of Solomon, Story of Ahikar etc.

Apocrypha are not both accepted by the Jews and the protestant. So who are pushing these books into having inspiration? The RCC on April 8,1546 at the Council of Trent canonized it.

God bless you

 

[Th0mas]

I never said you did.

I never said you did say that.

But you have claimed that others are not when you know no such thing.

I'm led by The Holy Spirit and God knows who are not really Christians. Who may you think in particular I have claimed is not a Christian ? I haven't been saying anything wrong to you or anyone else.

You deceive yourself and attempt to deceive others.

What may you think proves that precisely ? I'm led by The Holy Spirit and I haven't been working to deceive anyone.

Good luck trying to prove that others are not led by the Holy Spirit of God.

I have been only working to prove what God has wanted me to prove. I'm led by The Holy Spirit. If God wants me to show in a thread that someone has not been obeying God then I will do it.

If God wants me to make it appear in a thread that someone hasn't been led by The Holy Spirit then I will do it .

Are you always such a hypocrite?

I have been serving Jesus Christ.

So far it seems so, falsely accusing and assuming all manner of things.

I haven't been falsely accusing and assuming all manner of things. What may you think proves precisely that I have been doing that ?

What you say is not helpful to me at all.

What may you think proves that precisely ? I have been saying what God has wanted me to say.

You misjudge, wrongly assume, pretend I have said things I have not, completely misunderstand, falsely accuse, then do the very things you falsely accuse me of, and put on airs pretending you are more this or that than I am, and now you deny it?

I haven't said anything wrong to you. What may you think proves all that precisely ?

How quickly you forget.

I'm led by The Holy spirit, God makes sure I remember all I need to remember.

Like I said, you deceive yourself.

I'm not mocking you, like I've said more than once to you, I haven't said anything wrong to you, I'm led by The Holy Spirit, God knows you will never prove that I am not led by The Holy Spirit. What may you think proves precisely that I deceive myself ?

Good bye.

I don't have a grudge against you. I haven't said anything wrong to you. Some people may judge you have run away because you haven't been able to gain victory. I'm not playing games.

 

[garee]

i cant claim they are inspired, i dont know as i wasnt there. but lets say they are not, does this mean they teach things that are rebellious to our Lord? why is it when you mention apocrypha so many Christians get all huffy and puffy? what exactly is in these books that are so bad and if such bad teachings are in them why in the world would they have included them in the septuagint in the first place?

and why is apocrypha and septuagint so hard to spell?

Those four hundred years of silence reflect the last 2000 years of silence .Seeing God has not broken the warning to not add or subtract from the bible we are not to look to more new revelations, we have the whole perfect law.

One thing sects like that of Catholics use them to support the necromancy doctrine as to seeking to commune with disembodied workers with familiar spirits that they are required to call patron saints. They hold its authority above that of scripture making room for other Catholic doctrines such as purgatory, praying for the dead, and the treasury of merit.The apocrypha contains offensive materials unbecoming of God's authorship.

Ecclesiasticus 25:19 Any iniquity is insignificant compared to a wife's iniquity.

Ecclesiasticus 25:24 From a woman sin had its beginning. Because of her we all die.

Ecclesiasticus 22:3 It is a disgrace to be the father of an undisciplined, and the birth of a daughter is a loss

 

[jaybird88]

Those four hundred years of silence reflect the last 2000 years of silence .Seeing God has not broken the warning to not add or subtract from the bible we are not to look to more new revelations, we have the whole perfect law.

One thing sects like that of Catholics use them to support the necromancy doctrine as to seeking to commune with disembodied workers with familiar spirits that they are required to call patron saints. They hold its authority above that of scripture making room for other Catholic doctrines such as purgatory, praying for the dead, and the treasury of merit.The apocrypha contains offensive materials unbecoming of God's authorship.

Ecclesiasticus 25:19 Any iniquity is insignificant compared to a wife's iniquity.

Ecclesiasticus 25:24 From a woman sin had its beginning. Because of her we all die.

Ecclesiasticus 22:3 It is a disgrace to be the father of an undisciplined, and the birth of a daughter is a loss

no ones adding, they were always there. what you call the whole complete law was approved and made official by the same ones that burned so many ancient text and thanks to them we have nothing to compare with our books today.

 

[tanakh]

Your screen name betrays you as there are 24 books in the canonical tanakh (the same as the 39 old testament books but in different organization / order). Just sayin' ...

I'm not sure what you mean by my screen name betraying me. I am well aware how the Jewish cannon is organised and that the Apocrypha is not part of it. I am noy Jewish or part of the Messianic movement but am interested in the Jewish roots of our faith.

 

[tanakh]

Your screen name betrays you as there are 24 books in the canonical tanakh (the same as the 39 old testament books but in different organization / order). Just sayin' ...

I'm not sure what you mean by my screen name betraying me. I am well aware how the Jewish cannon is organised and that the Apocrypha is not part of it. I am not Jewish or part of the Messianic movement but am interested in the Jewish roots of our faith.

 

[tanakh]

Truth can be found in all sorts of places including the Apocrypha. We use the Bible as a standard to measure truth from falsehood.

 

[garee]

no ones adding, they were always there. what you call the whole complete law was approved and made official by the same ones that burned so many ancient text and thanks to them we have nothing to compare with our books today.

The Catholics canonized them. I don't think Christ used them or quoted from them. Yes they destroyed all evidence that was against them.

 

[garee]

Truth can be found in all sorts of places including the Apocrypha. We use the Bible as a standard to measure truth from falsehood.

Amen

The bible is God’s one source of faith. Some religions use beads called a rosary as their own created source of faith, adding to the scriptures .. Other book can be helpful like with Josephus or the Apocrypha but not infallible as inspired by God.
Why would we need more than the Bible .I s there a laws missing by which we could know God more adequate?

Look at the Koran. If we try the spirits to see if they are of God knowing he is no longer bringing any new prophecy , immediately we know Mohamed was a false prophet.

 

[jaybird88]

The Catholics canonized them. I don't think Christ used them or quoted from them. Yes they destroyed all evidence that was against them.

the essenes used them. that was one library the romans missed. and yet after the books were found they were kept hidden for 30 years, by the vatican.

 

[fredoheaven]

The Decree of the Canonical Scriptures in the Council of Trent declared the acceptability of the Apocrypha and anyone wishes "knowingly and deliberately contemn the traditions aforesaid; let him be anathema..." - The Council of Trent, The Fourth Session (The canons and decrees of the sacred and oecumenical Council of Trent, Trans. J. Waterworth (London: Dolman, 1848), 17

This excommunication "anathema" is pronounced means [FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]not only dislike but may lead to execution.

Creepy thing...[/FONT]

 

[Demi777]

Matthew 7:16-20
[SUP]16 [/SUP]By their fruit you will recognize them.[SUP](A)[/SUP] Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?[SUP](B)[/SUP] [SUP]17 [/SUP]Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. [SUP]18 [/SUP]A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.[SUP](C)[/SUP] [SUP]19 [/SUP]Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.[SUP](D)[/SUP] [SUP]20 [/SUP]Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

Sirach 27:6-7 (Apocrypha)
[SUP]6 [/SUP][SUP](A)[/SUP]You can tell how well a tree has been cared for by the fruit it bears, and you can tell a person's feelings by the way he expresses himself. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Never praise anyone before you hear him talk; that is the real test.

I find it so hillarious when people say stuff and have no idea what theyre sayin but they wanna boast and then they get an answer like yours..haha Good Mornin brother