Pros and Cons Speaking in Tongues

[DP]

people need to remember, that Paul corrected the use of tongues and also said do not forbid speaking in tongues

most experts in this thread, have never spoken in tongues

I know that because it's always the same cast of characters slamming tongues in every and any thread on the subject

tongues and the casting out of demons are also BOTH signs

I believe tongues are for everyone. period

the other gifts are not for everyone

the Bible indicates that it is God who decides who gets what gift

the problem is, there are myriads of junior wanna be whatevers running around...from teacher, to prophet to 'healers' who have proclaimed their 'gift(s)' and they have never been given their particular self-proclaimed gift from God

the church is full of 'em

the internet is full of 'em

and they come and go on this forum like night and day

since it seems far too many people are far too willing to just accept what someone says because they think they are a Christian, the mess is not likely to get any better until judgement day

Per God's Word, there's a major purpose for the cloven tongue in the last days during the great tribulation. Do you know it?

 

[LaurenTM]

Tell me, if the Holy Spirit is guiding your tongues through your spirit to the Father, how is it these tongues are in vain? You are praying the perfect will of God in perfect faith. You don't have any understanding and thats a good thing because your head isn't in the way and there is no doubt to the prayer. So, its in perfect faith.

How can you possibly think that there is no edification when the Holy Spirit of the Lord is guiding your prayers? Even if you don't understand it, something is taking place. Your spirit is speaking to the Father, regardless of your ability to interpret or understand what is being said. There are times at which you do get a glimpse of what is being said though, but not always.

People have a lot to say about tongues of which they have not partaken. So they are speaking out of ignorance and bias, even diminishing its importance in fellowship with the Lord. They are speaking of what they do not know, and are impartial to it because they do not understand. This is sad, because they offend believers who operate in this gift that the Holy Spirit gave them for their edification and the edification of others.

Your statement is true in reference to you and tongues. "You cannot be edified by something you don't understand." If you'd listen to what people are saying about tongues and the blessings it has had on their life, then you will be edified. Lifted up and understand that God is working through believers speaking mysteries in the spirit to cause things to come to pass. VVhether is be present blessings, future protection, or sanctification the Lord is orchestrating it.

PS: This is only one aspect of tongues, tongues are not one dimensional.

so very often the case

 

[trofimus]

If its an unknown tongue

What would be the reason to give somebody the gift of "unknown language"? The gift of tongues was useful because people could hear the message in their own languages.

 

[trofimus]

No, You are a spirit, you have a soul...

Can you prove it?

 

[BenFTW]

What would be the reason to give somebody the gift of "unknown language"? The gift of tongues was useful because people could hear the message in their own languages.

Because we have an enemy that would like to interfere in the plans of God and put up barriers to His will. Think of it like Morse code.

 

[DP]

Because we have an enemy that would like to interfere in the plans of God and put up barriers to His will. Think of it like Morse code.

Ah come on Ben, you guys aren't going around speaking gibberish to each other and claiming you understood each other.

 

[BenFTW]

Ah come on Ben, you guys aren't going around speaking gibberish to each other and claiming you understood each other.

I was speaking about private prayer, not public. Again, multidimensional. Though I will say, if you are speaking in tongues and an interpreter is present he/she does receive the interpretation (sometimes, depending upon whether the Lord permits it). Sometimes it is shielded and the interpreter gets nothing.

 

[trofimus]

Because we have an enemy that would like to interfere in the plans of God and put up barriers to His will. Think of it like Morse code.

This is a very wild idea... and certainly not the purpose of biblical tongues, so thats why I must still say that today´s practice of tongues is not biblical.

 

[BenFTW]

This is a very wild idea... and certainly not the purpose of biblical tongues, so thats why I must still say that today´s practice of tongues is not biblical.

You still cannot get past the fact that it says tongues that are unknown. If even one person understood it, it wouldn't be unknown.

[h=1]1 Corinthians 14:4 King James Version (KJV)[/h][FONT=&quot]4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.


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[DP]

I was speaking about private prayer, not public. Again, multidimensional. Though I will say, if you are speaking in tongues and an interpreter is present he/she does receive the interpretation (sometimes, depending upon whether the Lord permits it). Sometimes it is shielded and the interpreter gets nothing.

I don't believe the gibberish I hear spoken by some to be evidence of the true cloven tongue. Even they cannot understand what they're speaking.

But I definitely do... believe what manifested on Pentecost through the disciples when they spoke to the multitudes and all present understood, and then Peter quoted from Joel 2 about it.

Peter was pointing to how the cloven tongue was an example of the Joel 2 event that is set for the very end of this world during the tribulation. So how is it, that so many who claim to speak the same cloven tongue of Pentecost want to fly away instead of allowing God to speak through them during the trib like our Lord Jesus showed in Mark 13?

 

[DP]

You still cannot get past the fact that it says tongues that are unknown. If even one person understood it, it wouldn't be unknown.

1 Corinthians 14:4 King James Version (KJV)

4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

You need to look that word "unknown" up in the Greek. It's NOT... in the Greek manuscripts. It was added by the King James translators. The only words there are Greek glossa (language) or dialektos (dialect).

 

[notuptome]

I honestly have no idea where you're getting this from. Let's review my statements....
1) They still exist today.
2) Although I've never been exposed to them.
3) If there's isn't a Biblical order to speaking in tongues, it isn't legitimate.
4) My relationship with God is not lacking because I've never spoken in tongues.
5) Each Believer is given the spiritual gifts they need.

Which ones disturb you?

How would you determine if they exist today? You just said they did but you also say you've never been exposed to them. You further add that if they are not done biblically they are not legitimate.

All bases covered. Numbers 4 & 5 are so general in nature that they do not pin you down to any specific position.

Re 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[BenFTW]

I don't believe the gibberish I hear spoken by some to be evidence of the true cloven tongue. Even they cannot understand what they're speaking.

But I definitely do... believe what manifested on Pentecost through the disciples when they spoke to the multitudes and all present understood, and then Peter quoted from Joel 2 about it.

Peter was pointing to how the cloven tongue was an example of the Joel 2 event that is set for the very end of this world during the tribulation. So how is it, that so many who claim to speak the same cloven tongue of Pentecost want to fly away instead of allowing God to speak through them during the trib like our Lord Jesus showed in Mark 13?

You cannot get past the verses that refer to tongues as unknown and use Pentecost as an example of this unknown tongue. At Pentecost the tongues were known, people understood it in their language. If the apostle Paul says tongues need an interpretation in a public setting that means this is a case scenario of the gift of tongues that wasn't at Pentecost, or a different aspect to the gift that didn't take place at Pentecost.

You must realize that Pentecost isn't the only example we have of tongues, and we have explanations of tongues that differ with how tongues are used in comparison to their use at Pentecost. For example, did you know we can sing in tongues (sing in the spirit)? Surely that would astound you.

 

[Grace777x70]

Because we have an enemy that would like to interfere in the plans of God and put up barriers to His will. Think of it like Morse code.

The other aspect of our minds not understanding what we are praying with our spirit - is that we are praying God's will in our lives and in the lives of others. If we knew with our minds what we are praying - we would not believe it or even might rebel against it because we are not ready spiritually for things to happen as God sees us in His timeless future as we truly are in Christ.

 

[trofimus]

You still cannot get past the fact that it says tongues that are unknown. If even one person understood it, it wouldn't be unknown.

[h=1]1 Corinthians 14:4 King James Version (KJV)[/h][FONT="]4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.


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I dont have the word "unknown".

"Anyone who speaks in a tongue edifies themselves, but the one who prophesies edifies the church."

NIV

 

[BenFTW]

I dont have the word "unknown".

"Anyone who speaks in a tongue edifies themselves, but the one who prophesies edifies the church."

NIV

I don't need the word unknown to make my point. Heres another for you.

[h=1]1 Corinthians 14:2 New International Version (NIV)[/h][FONT=&quot]2 For anyone who speaks in a tongue[a] does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit.

You have that verse, do you not? How is the tongue not unknown and yet not understood by anyone present? [/FONT]

 

[Grace777x70]

You cannot get past the verses that refer to tongues as unknown and use Pentecost as an example of this unknown tongue. At Pentecost the tongues were known, people understood it in their language. If the apostle Paul says tongues need an interpretation in a public setting that means this is a case scenario of the gift of tongues that wasn't at Pentecost, or a different aspect to the gift that didn't take place at Pentecost.

You must realize that Pentecost isn't the only example we have of tongues, and we have explanations of tongues that differ with how tongues are used in comparison to their use at Pentecost. For example, did you know we can sing in tongues (sing in the spirit)? Surely that would astound you.

The thing is that the people speaking a tongue - it is "unknown" to them as it when the Gallieans spoke in tongues on Pentecost. It is "inferred" that the one speaking in tongues that the language is unknown to them.

1 Cor 13:1 says that "Though I speak in tongues of men and of angels..." This infers that there are tongues of men ( which we are all familiar with ) and of angels. ( Who here with their human reasoning knows how many tongues of angels are there?...or what they even sound like? )

How many different dialects have been in man's history since the dawn of Adam? ...thousands....and who are we with our "human reasoning" to say that tongues we hear some speak is not real?

It is presumption and utter foolishness on our part to think we can know whether some one's tongue is real or not because of our own human reasoning.

 

[trofimus]

I don't need the word unknown to make my point. Heres another for you.

[h=1]1 Corinthians 14:2 New International Version (NIV)[/h][FONT="][SIZE=2][FONT=Arial][B]2 [/B][/FONT]For anyone who speaks in a tongue[[URL="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+14%3A2&version=NIV#fen-NIV-28681a"]a[/URL]] does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit.

You have that verse, do you not? Ho[/SIZE]w is the tongue not unknown and yet not understood by anyone present? [/FONT]

Except the one who is talking. He understands what he is saying, because he has the gift of that tongue.

If you got the gift of Chinese, for me it would be a mystery, but you would understand what you are saying.

 

[DP]

You cannot get past the verses that refer to tongues as unknown....

Actually, I can... get past those verses, because the word "unknown" is NOT... in the Greek manuscripts. The King James translators ADDED that word "unknown" in 1 Corinthians. The actual Greek word for "tongue" in 1 Cor. is glossa, which means 'languages'.

So in reality, there is NO such thing as an 'unknown'... tongue in God's Word. It is always pointing to a known... language of the world, which is HOW... the TRUE cloven tongue on Pentecost manifested!

 

[BenFTW]

Except the one who is talking. He understands what he is saying, because he has the gift of that tongue.

If you got the gift of Chinese, for me it would be a mystery, but you would understand what you are saying.

That isn't what happened at Pentecost. They (those present) HEARD the tongues in their own language. It is not said that those speaking in tongues got a download of each language and spoke each of those particular languages present so all would understand. It says the people heard the tongues, each one of them, in their own language.

I do not dismiss that people can receive a download of a language by God for a language they have never studied, but that isn't what took place at Pentecost.