Pros and Cons Speaking in Tongues

[Grace777x70]

Praying with the spirit and with the mind are two different things as is singing with the spirit and singing with the mind.

When one is praying in devotional tongues and speaking mysteries to the Lord - our minds do not know what is being prayed - and in a lot of cases, it's a good thing!

1 Corinthians 14:14-15 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.

[SUP]15 [/SUP] What is the outcome then? I will pray with the spirit and I will pray with the mind also; I will sing with the spirit and I will sing with the mind also.

 

[BenFTW]

Actually, I can... get past those verses, because the word "unknown" is NOT... in the Greek manuscripts. The King James translators ADDED that word "unknown" in 1 Corinthians. The actual Greek word for "tongue" in 1 Cor. is glossa, which means 'languages'.

So in reality, there is NO such thing as an 'unknown'... tongue in God's Word. It is always pointing to a known... language of the world, which is HOW... the TRUE cloven tongue on Pentecost manifested!

1 Corinthians 14:2 I don't need unknown to be in the sentence to make my biblical point. "No one understands them."

 

[DP]

The thing is that the people speaking a tongue - it is "unknown" to them as it when the Gallieans spoke in tongues on Pentecost. It is "inferred" that the one speaking in tongues that the language is unknown to them.

1 Cor 13:1 says that "Though I speak in tongues of men and of angels..." This infers that there are tongues of men ( which we are all familiar with ) and of angels. ( Who here with their human reasoning knows how many tongues of angels are there?...or what they even sound like? )

How many different dialects have been in man's history since the dawn of Adam? ...thousands....and who are we with our "human reasoning" to say that tongues we hear some speak is not real?

It is presumption and utter foolishness on our part to think we can know whether some one's tongue is real or not because of our own human reasoning.

Once again, the word "unknown" in the KJV is NOT... in the Greek manuscripts. The King James translators ADDED it.

So everywhere in 1 Cor.12-14 where the word "unknown" appears in the KJV Bible, strike it out, it was ADDED.

The Greek word for "tongues" is Greek glossa which means 'languages', which is what the disciples spoke on Pentecost and everyone present understood.

 

[trofimus]

That isn't what happened at Pentecost. They (those present) HEARD the tongues in their own language. It is not said that those speaking in tongues got a download of each language and spoke each of those particular languages present so all would understand. It says the people heard the tongues, each one of them, in their own language.

I do not dismiss that people can receive a download of a language by God for a language they have never studied, but that isn't what took place at Pentecost.

What happened at Pentecost is quite hard to "investigate" now, after 2000 years, but what we know about that event from Bible, is, that it was no "uknown mysterious language".

I do not know exactly how the process of that gift works, because I have never saw it in action. I meet only "uknown sounds self-edified morse code charismatics"

 

[BenFTW]

Once again, the word "unknown" in the KJV is NOT... in the Greek manuscripts. The King James translators ADDED it.

So everywhere in 1 Cor.12-14 where the word "unknown" appears in the KJV Bible, strike it out, it was ADDED.

The Greek word for "tongues" is Greek glossa which means 'languages', which is what the disciples spoke on Pentecost and everyone present understood.

Take the word unknown out and you still have "no one understands them." How will you circumvent this verse? Or for the fact it says, "mysteries in the spirit." How is it a mystery if everyone understands it?

 

[BenFTW]

What happened at Pentecost is quite hard to "investigate" now, after 2000 years, but what we know about that event from Bible, is, that it was no "uknown mysterious language".

I do not know exactly how the process of that gift works, because I have never saw it in action. I meet only "uknown sounds self-edified morse code charismatics"

Are you a Cessationist, by any chance?

 

[DP]

1 Corinthians 14:2 I don't need unknown to be in the sentence to make my biblical point. "No one understands them."

That's just your opinion, and it doesn't align with the true cloven tongue spoken on Pentecost...

Acts 2:8
8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
KJV

Acts 2:11
11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
KJV

Instead of allying with man's ideas about it why not believe that Scripture as written?

 

[BenFTW]

That's just your opinion, and it doesn't align with the true cloven tongue spoken on Pentecost...

Acts 2:8
8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
KJV

Acts 2:11
11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
KJV

Instead of allying with man's ideas about it why not believe that Scripture as written?

You have limited tongues to one particular instance that doesn't show all the uses of a particular gift. You even have verses that show the gift of tongues being used in a different manner than at Pentecost but you don't budge.

 

[Grace777x70]

Once again, the word "unknown" in the KJV is NOT... in the Greek manuscripts. The King James translators ADDED it.

So everywhere in 1 Cor.12-14 where the word "unknown" appears in the KJV Bible, strike it out, it was ADDED.

The Greek word for "tongues" is Greek glossa which means 'languages', which is what the disciples spoke on Pentecost and everyone present understood.

You are missing the whole point...

"unknown" is "inferred" because the tongue is unknown to the one doing the speaking. Whether the actual word "unknown" is in the text or not is irrelevant. Those Gallieans speaking in tongues did not "know" the tongues they were speaking in so they were "unknown" to them. Common sense.

There have been thousands of different languages through out man-kind's history and who knows anything about angels tongues? So, for someone with our limited understanding to say when we hear someone speaking in a tongue - that is not a real tongue...is just sheer nonsense and is based on human reasoning which in effect knows nothing.

 

[trofimus]

Are you a Cessationist, by any chance?

Generally, yes.

I dont say this gift can never happen again, if needed. But it has ceased in the second century, its a historical fact you can find it in the writings of the old church.

The "extatic" uknown sounds from the 20th century are not this biblical gift, in my opinion.

 

[ATH1]

speaking in tongues!!!

Art Linkletter was so right...people are funny.

Speaking in tongues? What does God say about it. The new testament talks about this. We all know what man says it is, but what does God say????

Things were different in the "old"days. You could go 2 blocks in a city then and hear people speaking a different language.

During passover, people came from ALL over the country to take part in the feastible. which meant there was probable 10 different languages spoken.

Speaking in tongues at the 1st passover was a one time gift from God where the Holy Spirit came over the crowd and EACH person, IN THEIR OWN EARS heard the speaker IN THEIR OWN LANGUAGE! NO one needed a translator to understand the speech.

Today, the gift of tongues is the ability of a person to know a different language if he/she goes to a different country to preach, or having a translator to enable the crowd to understand.

In some churches today, people start speaking "babel" that no one understands and just confuses the congregation.GOD does not use confusion to entertain his people.

God does use parables in the bible so that each generation can understand what the bible is relating at cetain times. and speaking in tongues is not to be confused with parables. They are not the same.

humbly...allan




It is a fine gift for the pastor, or translator

 

[notuptome]

Take the word unknown out and you still have "no one understands them." How will you circumvent this verse? Or for the fact it says, "mysteries in the spirit." How is it a mystery if everyone understands it?

Every time Israel was taken into captivity it was by people whose tongues they did not understand. Tongues are a sign of judgment. The tower of Babel is a sign of Gods judgment on mankind for rebellion.

Wow when you exchange the revelation of God for one of mans making you get some really upside down results. Christians getting gleeful over a sign of impending judgment.

Paul told the Corinthians that he wished they all spoke in tongues so they would be reminded of Gods judgment to the Jew first and then to the Gentile.

Romans 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,


For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[DP]

Take the word unknown out and you still have "no one understands them." How will you circumvent this verse? Or for the fact it says, "mysteries in the spirit." How is it a mystery if everyone understands it?

Your attitude of denial is amazing, especially since only a couple of posts ago you were hanging your proof of a gibberish tongue on that sole word "unknown", which is actually not in the NT Manuscripts. There, I even put it in bold like you did.

 

[DP]

You are missing the whole point...

"unknown" is "inferred" because the tongue is unknown to the one doing the speaking. Whether the actual word "unknown" is in the text or not is irrelevant. Those Gallieans speaking in tongues did not "know" the tongues they were speaking in so they were "unknown" to them. Common sense.

There have been thousands of different languages through out man-kind's history and who knows anything about angels tongues? So, for someone with our limited understanding to say when we hear someone speaking in a tongue - that is not a real tongue...is just sheer nonsense and is based on human reasoning which in effect knows nothing.

Very... weak argument, because the people at Pentecost did not... hear anything such as an unknown... tongue; they heard their OWN LANGUAGES.

Nothing was unknown... on that day. What the Apostles most likely heard was their OWN language of speech talking normally (i.e., Hebrew). The difference was when they did speak in their own language... it went out cloven (parted into each persons own dialect of their home born language).

Amazing the lengths those on the tongue on confusion will go to in trying to establish a Biblical basis for the gibberish tongue they speak!

When the time comes during the great tribulation, I HOPE the gibberish you guys speak does... manifest like the true cloven tongue did on Pentecost. That's the only... consolation I have for that gibberish tongue only a couple present can understand.

 

[Grace777x70]

Very... weak argument, because the people at Pentecost did not... hear anything such as an unknown... tongue; they heard their OWN LANGUAGES.

Nothing was unknown... on that day. What the Apostles most likely heard was their OWN language of speech talking normally (i.e., Hebrew). The difference was when they did speak in their own language... it went out cloven (parted into each persons own dialect of their home born language).

Amazing the lengths those on the tongue on confusion will go to in trying to establish a Biblical basis for the gibberish tongue they speak!

When the time comes during the great tribulation, I HOPE the gibberish you guys speak does... manifest like the true cloven tongue did on Pentecost. That's the only... consolation I have for that gibberish tongue only a couple present can understand.

okie dokie....

The language was unknown to the one doing the speaking not the one that was listening as they know their own language when it was spoken by the uneducated Gallieans.

So how many angel tongues can you identify?....how many languages of the thousands that have been in man-kind since Adam - do you know personally?

 

[trofimus]

okie dokie....

The language was unknown to the one doing the speaking not the one that was listening as they know their own language when it was spoken by the uneducated Gallieans.

So how many angel tongues can you identify?....how many languages of the thousands that have been in man-kind since Adam - do you know personally?

I think every language must have some syntax and logic.

If you hear some "ga ga ga ga!" sounds (yeah, I have heard many of such "tongues") you can be sure it is not any language.

 

[ladylynn]

Why is it everybody thinks the Gift of Tongues is the greatest gift from the Holy Spirit?

The Gift of Tongues is the LEAST of the Gifts.

But, the problem is everybody who desires this Gift, desires the limelight that goes with this Gift. Its all about them being the focus, not God. They are in the limelight when they speak, not God.

This is why i desired and receive the gift of Discernment of Spirits.

"Everybody" does not think the gift of tongues is the greatest gift from the Holy Spirit. I don't. It is however; one of the gifts. A problem is made when we (assume) things about one another.

"everybody who desires this gift, desires the limelight that goes with this gift. Its all about them being the focus, not God.,They are in the limelight when they speak, not God."

We should not make wide sweeping statements about the motives of each other. Only God knows what people's heart motives are.

Negative thoughts about each other feed on themselves. Is it a good strategy to seek to know God's will about the gifts by how we judge others to be using them?

 

[reneweddaybyday]

1 Corinthians 12:

7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;

9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;

10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.


The manifestation of the Spirit (of which kinds of tongues is shown to be), is given to profit (or to benefit).

According to 1 Cor 12:11, the one and the selfsame Spirit [God] energizes the manifestation as He determines He will energize.

As far as kinds of tongues being "the least", I would consider whatever God determines to work in my life to be THE BEST … THE ABSOLUTE BEST for me.

 

[Grace777x70]

I think every language must have some syntax and logic.

If you hear some "ga ga ga ga!" sounds (yeah, I have heard many of such "tongues") you can be sure it is not any language.

I have heard about a thousand at least people speaking in tongues and I have never heard "ga ga ga ga" before. Sometimes people speaking in tongues are young in their development of speaking fluently but that is a different subject.

Listen to this weird language. If one didn't know this existed - we would say that can't be a language.

[video=youtube;KZlp-croVYw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZlp-croVYw[/video]

 

[trofimus]

I have heard about a thousand at least people speaking in tongues and I have never heard "ga ga ga ga" before. Sometimes people speaking in tongues are young in their development of speaking fluently but that is a different subject.

Listen to this weird language. If one didn't know this existed - we would say that can't be a language.

[video=youtube;KZlp-croVYw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZlp-croVYw[/video]

Was any of the "tongues" among charismatics identified as any living or dead language?

Why would God give US or EU citizens only some nonexisting languages and not anything useful like Chinese/Greek.