My Battle

worldlover · Apr 9, 2010

Today was not another day that i would love to remember as i have sinned again. Evil has attacked me

once again, the temptation that i couldn't resist and it feels like my feet is shackled unabling me

to move forward. I've always prayed to God to help me get out of this zone and bring me into the

Light of Wisdom and it seems like he's letting me learn from my mistakes and test my faithfulness to

him. He teaches me by going through these trials and see what i must realize. All these bad things

that happen to me is what i consider positive because he made me feel that i'm not alone in this

battle and that's what i treasure the most. Althought still a sinner, i believe that God will help

me transform into a better man by revealing to me the raules of this life. At the end of the day,

i've realized that this day should be another day to remember because of what i've learned.

Praise the Lord and God bless to everyone,
Godlover

livingbygrace · Apr 9, 2010

worldlover said:

A refreshingly honest statement. I am sure God is testing your faithfulness. The only way to have any victory in your life is by keeping your eyes firmly fixed on Jesus and trusting Him. To me that is the battle, not our human weaknesses that inevitably bring us at times to fail.

When I became a Christian I was consumed by my faliures. I could not take my eyes off them, then I wanted to give up due to my wretched state. An interpretation of tongues was given at church.

'Do not look at yourself, look to me, and trust me(Jesus)

It was a long time ago I do not remember the words perfectly. I found I never had the victory over anything by concentrating on my faliures. And scripturally I believe no-one will. If you ask God to deal with something and trust Him to do it, no matter how many times you fail personally, He must do it, providing you look to Jesus and trust in him.

That is our law, faith in Christ, and that is our only hope of victory. But oh how we insist on trying to deal ourselves with our weaknesses and the sin that grips us.. We cannot.

Remember God sees you as perfect in His eyes even now while you are being made Holy, as long as you are trusting in His son, that is the only requirement. Do you find that hard to believe?

'Because by one sacrifice he has made perfect for ever those who are being made Holy. Heb10:14

I would suggest your real battle is not yourself against your weaknesses and sin, but the battle of trusting Jesus and looking to him. If you can do that even in your darkeest times and faliures he will bring the victory in your life.

worldlover · Apr 9, 2010

thanks for the words of encouragement!because of this, it gave me another reason not to give up on this life that God has given me.

MaggieMye · Apr 9, 2010

Choose this day whom you will serve. ALL sin is a matter of Choice. Not even Satan, himself, can force you to do something that you really don't want to. When someone chooses to sin by acting on a temptation (BTW..PRAISE is the MOST effective weapon against temptation!), they are, in essence choosing another god; the god of alchol, sex, money, greed, lust..the list is endless....it is idolatry. Idolatry is when second place things become first place things and only God is to have first place in our lives.

You CAN be the overcome that He created you to be!!
If you'd like some off-group advice, email me. I am a deliverance minister, trained in these issues. [email protected]

livingbygrace · Apr 9, 2010

MaggieMye said:

Can I put something to you ?

If while we seek to be justified in Christ it becomes evident that we ourselves are sinners, does this mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! If I rebuild what I destroyed I prove that I am a law breaker. Gal2:17&18

Can I ask you what you thnik Paul is saying in those verses, and especially why he would feel the need to ask the question. 'Does Christ promote sin?'

phil36 · Apr 9, 2010

livingbygrace said:

A refreshingly honest statement. I am sure God is testing your faithfulness. The only way to have any victory in your life is by keeping your eyes firmly fixed on Jesus and trusting Him. To me that is the battle, not our human weaknesses that inevitably bring us at times to fail.

When I became a Christian I was consumed by my faliures. I could not take my eyes off them, then I wanted to give up due to my wretched state. An interpretation of tongues was given at church.

'Do not look at yourself, look to me, and trust me(Jesus)

It was a long time ago I do not remember the words perfectly. I found I never had the victory over anything by concentrating on my faliures. And scripturally I believe no-one will. If you ask God to deal with something and trust Him to do it, no matter how many times you fail personally, He must do it, providing you look to Jesus and trust in him.

That is our law, faith in Christ, and that is our only hope of victory. But oh how we insist on trying to deal ourselves with our weaknesses and the sin that grips us.. We cannot.

Remember God sees you as perfect in His eyes even now while you are being made Holy, as long as you are trusting in His son, that is the only requirement. Do you find that hard to believe?

'Because by one sacrifice he has made perfect for ever those who are being made Holy. Heb10:14

I would suggest your real battle is not yourself against your weaknesses and sin, but the battle of trusting Jesus and looking to him. If you can do that even in your darkeest times and faliures he will bring the victory in your life.

Hi worldlover,

Thanks for your post, and these words from living grace will be a blessing to you.

In LOve

Phil

MaggieMye · Apr 9, 2010

What relevence does Gal 2 17-18 have for this person's situation? We are ALL sinners, but we must Choose to not sin! 1 John 5:18
We know that no one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.
We need to be broken when we come to Christ. It is only HE that can rebuild us. If we rebuild what Christ died to destroy in us (a house of iniquity) we negate what He has done for us.

Is that your point?

livingbygrace · Apr 9, 2010

MaggieMye said:

No it was not my point. I believe that when someone becomes a Christian they carry with them sin, often deep rooted from their past life. Whereas some sin will I am sure immediately be stopped others need more time. We cannot wave a magic wand and all of our sins immediately disappear on conversion. I didn't find that and I douty many others have.

As to Paul's words I believe they are reasonably clear. He is obviously talking about the new Christian

It is evident when we become saved that we are sinners, so that is plain, but as why he would say. 'Does Christ promote sin, I would suggest is because it is our job to trust in Jesus that he will deal with the sin still in our lives that we cannot deal with and rejoice in our salvation. Such an approach would I am sure make Paul feel such a question should be asked It is not for usa to try and rid ourselves of sin such as this. I believe Paul qualifieds that when he says. 'Absolutely not. If I rebuild what I destroyed I prove thast I am a law breaker.'
In other words if he tries to deal with the sin himself and base his Christianity according to his sin, he will fail in his attempts to rid himself of it. simply proving he is a lawbreaker. After all we only know what sin is according to God's good laws.
And Paul continually stressed we are not under law but faith in Christ.
I don't believe the new Christian should be led to believe that they are just sinning by choice. If we could all immediately be rid of all oure sin upon conversion it would be wonderful, but in reality this does not happen. Our job is to trust in Jesus and he will give us victory
Paul himself struggled against sin. He said he dide what he did not want to do, therefore sin still had him in its grasp. But Christ set him free. But it did not happen in a minute otherwise there would have been no struggle.

There is a huge difference between the sin carried over to our Christian life from our past life and the wilfull, deliberate sin of someone once they have been set free of certain sins. But in the case of the initial post, I am sure it is the former case. If we give someone the impression as a young Christian that they can simply choose by dchoice not to commit sin I believe that all too often they give up with God. I believe it is scripturally correct to encourage them to look to Jesus and trust him to deal with the sin

MaggieMye · Apr 9, 2010

No it was not my point. I believe that when someone becomes a Christian they carry with them sin, That type of thinking negates what Christ did on the Cross, which tell us that when we are Born again, Born of God, ALL THINGS BECOME NEW and our sin is washed away. often deep rooted from their past life. Excuse me? "Past lives" are NOT Biblical. Whereas some sin will I am sure immediately be stopped others need more time. We cannot wave a magic wand and all of our sins immediately disappear on conversion.According to scirpture, they DO dissappear. Of course that does not mean that a person won't sin again. But IF they are truly Born of God, they will not CHOOSE to sin. BEcause to CHOOSE to sin is to bow to and OBEY that sin and the demon behind its promotion and that it idolatry. I didn't find that and I douty many others have. What you are referring to is the "working out our salvation with fear and trembling." Choosing to sin is MUCH different than a sin of ignorance. See Leviticus chapters 4,5,6.
I would suggest is because it is our job to trust in Jesus that he will deal with the sin still in our lives that we cannot deal with and rejoice in our salvation. Such an approach would I am sure make Paul feel such a question should be asked It is not for usa to try and rid ourselves of sin such as this.On the contrary! We are told to RESIST the enemy (temptation) and he will flee from us. Christ's work is already FINISHED. It is OUR JOB to APPROPRIATE what He has done to and in our lives.
In other words if he tries to deal with the sin himself and base his Christianity according to his sin, he will fail in his attempts to rid himself of it. WE cannot 'rid' ourselves of it because it is the BLOOD of Christ that does the WASHING to the purity of snow. simply proving he is a lawbreaker. After all we only know what sin is according to God's good laws.
And Paul continually stressed we are not under law but faith in Christ.
I don't believe the new Christian should be led to believe that they are just sinning by choice.Why not? It is the truth! Once we know something is sin and we choose to partake of it, it IS a CHOICE. Teaching a new believer anything else is heresy. If we could all immediately be rid of all oure sin upon conversion it would be wonderful, but in reality this does not happen. What Bible are you reading?? YES, it Does happen. Our slates are CLEAN!! It them becomes our responsibility to KEEP them clean, taking EVERY thought captive to the word of God and taking every committed sin to the cross and leaving it there. Our job is to trust in Jesus and he will give us victory. He has ALREADY given us the victory, by what He did on the Cross. Did He say, "I WILL GIVE you the victory?" NO! He said, "It is FINISHED"....DONE! The WAR is WON. It is the individual battle that each of us must learn to APPLY what Christ has done for us to that battle.
Paul himself struggled against sin. He said he dide what he did not want to do, therefore sin still had him in its grasp. But Christ set him free. But it did not happen in a minute otherwise there would have been no struggle. Show in scripture where Paul became free of his struggles? We are told in Scripture that he had a thorn in his flesh...A MESSENGER FROM SATAN, that came to buffet him for the purpose of keeping him humble. While scripture does not give specifics, isn't a messenger from satan the same as the temptation by a demon? Paul struggled against sin, just like the rest of us, but both he and we are to overcome it.
There is a huge difference between the sin carried over to our Christian life from our past life and the wilfull, deliberate sin of someone once they have been set free of certain sins.Right...because the sins of our past cease to exist when we come to Christ. But in the case of the initial post, I am sure it is the former case. If we give someone the impression as a young Christian that they can simply choose by choice not to commit sin, I believe that all too often they give up with God. If they do, they were never committed to Christ in the first place. God knows the heart. He KNOWS if a person is sinning because they want to DO the deed or if they are simply ignorant that what they are doing is sin. I believe it is scripturally correct to encourage them to look to Jesus and trust him to deal with the sin No, it is not. If that were the case, we could sin and sin and sin and just say "Ok, Jesus, I know you've got me covered." and that isn't the way it works.
Romans 6 1What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase?
2May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?
Maggie

livingbygrace · Apr 9, 2010

MaggieMye said:

No it was not my point. I believe that when someone becomes a Christian they carry with them sin, That type of thinking negates what Christ did on the Cross, which tell us that when we are Born again, Born of God, ALL THINGS BECOME NEW and our sin is washed away. often deep rooted from their past life. Excuse me? "Past lives" are NOT Biblical. Whereas some sin will I am sure immediately be stopped others need more time. We cannot wave a magic wand and all of our sins immediately disappear on conversion.According to scirpture, they DO dissappear. Of course that does not mean that a person won't sin again. But IF they are truly Born of God, they will not CHOOSE to sin. BEcause to CHOOSE to sin is to bow to and OBEY that sin and the demon behind its promotion and that it idolatry. I didn't find that and I douty many others have. What you are referring to is the "working out our salvation with fear and trembling." Choosing to sin is MUCH different than a sin of ignorance. See Leviticus chapters 4,5,6.
I would suggest is because it is our job to trust in Jesus that he will deal with the sin still in our lives that we cannot deal with and rejoice in our salvation. Such an approach would I am sure make Paul feel such a question should be asked It is not for usa to try and rid ourselves of sin such as this.On the contrary! We are told to RESIST the enemy (temptation) and he will flee from us. Christ's work is already FINISHED. It is OUR JOB to APPROPRIATE what He has done to and in our lives.
In other words if he tries to deal with the sin himself and base his Christianity according to his sin, he will fail in his attempts to rid himself of it. WE cannot 'rid' ourselves of it because it is the BLOOD of Christ that does the WASHING to the purity of snow. simply proving he is a lawbreaker. After all we only know what sin is according to God's good laws.
And Paul continually stressed we are not under law but faith in Christ.
I don't believe the new Christian should be led to believe that they are just sinning by choice.Why not? It is the truth! Once we know something is sin and we choose to partake of it, it IS a CHOICE. Teaching a new believer anything else is heresy. If we could all immediately be rid of all oure sin upon conversion it would be wonderful, but in reality this does not happen. What Bible are you reading?? YES, it Does happen. Our slates are CLEAN!! It them becomes our responsibility to KEEP them clean, taking EVERY thought captive to the word of God and taking every committed sin to the cross and leaving it there. Our job is to trust in Jesus and he will give us victory. He has ALREADY given us the victory, by what He did on the Cross. Did He say, "I WILL GIVE you the victory?" NO! He said, "It is FINISHED"....DONE! The WAR is WON. It is the individual battle that each of us must learn to APPLY what Christ has done for us to that battle.
Paul himself struggled against sin. He said he dide what he did not want to do, therefore sin still had him in its grasp. But Christ set him free. But it did not happen in a minute otherwise there would have been no struggle. Show in scripture where Paul became free of his struggles? We are told in Scripture that he had a thorn in his flesh...A MESSENGER FROM SATAN, that came to buffet him for the purpose of keeping him humble. While scripture does not give specifics, isn't a messenger from satan the same as the temptation by a demon? Paul struggled against sin, just like the rest of us, but both he and we are to overcome it.
There is a huge difference between the sin carried over to our Christian life from our past life and the wilfull, deliberate sin of someone once they have been set free of certain sins.Right...because the sins of our past cease to exist when we come to Christ. But in the case of the initial post, I am sure it is the former case. If we give someone the impression as a young Christian that they can simply choose by choice not to commit sin, I believe that all too often they give up with God. If they do, they were never committed to Christ in the first place. God knows the heart. He KNOWS if a person is sinning because they want to DO the deed or if they are simply ignorant that what they are doing is sin. I believe it is scripturally correct to encourage them to look to Jesus and trust him to deal with the sin No, it is not. If that were the case, we could sin and sin and sin and just say "Ok, Jesus, I know you've got me covered." and that isn't the way it works.
Romans 6 1What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase?
2May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?
Maggie

Rather than individually answer all of what you have said, I will simply say I utterly disagree with you.

I read a book of Spurgeons called all of grace. He would totally disagree with what you have said here. He points out Rom5:6

You see at just the right time when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly.

He says(quite rightl) that people without strength are not expected to deal with the sin in their lives that they have brought into their Christianity if it is dep rooted. It is their job to trust in Christ, like clinging as a limpet to a rock and it is Christ's responsibility to free them of such sin. He is of course correct. He also says this does not happen instantly

I hope and pray theat worldlover ignores your post, as I am sure it will not help him. Personally I believe it is part of the literal word without the understanding of what that word means

MaggieMye · Apr 9, 2010

Spurgeon, a Baptist, NOT baptized in the Holy Spirit...for Baptists do not believe in this second baptism (see Acts 2 and 19), while a believer, has written his OPINIONS. I gave you scripture. If you really need all the addresses, I can find them.

Maggie

livingbygrace · Apr 9, 2010

MaggieMye said:

Can I ask? Are you a Pentecostal?

MaggieMye · Apr 9, 2010

Christ did die 'at the right time' while we were sinners. He did that SO we could overcome, die to self, step into the authority that He died to give and purpose to live as He did, sinless. Purposing to live sinless is NOT the same thing as BEING sinless. It is a progressive working out of His righteousness.

Maggie

livingbygrace · Apr 9, 2010

MaggieMye said:

It isd interesting that you continually talk of what we do. I thought scripture said it is what the Holy Spiriit does in us.

For it is we who are the circumcision. We who worship by the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh. Phil3:3

We overcome nothing. It is by faith in Christ and the Holy Spirt's power within us. And I do not lightly dismiss Spurgeon.

MaggieMye · Apr 9, 2010

It isd interesting that you continually talk of what we do. I thought scripture said it is what the Holy Spiriit does in us. James 1:22
But prove yourselves doers of the word, and not merely hearers who delude themselves.

For it is we who are the circumcision. We who worship by the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh. Phil3:3 James 2:17 Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself.
We overcome nothing. It is by faith in Christ and the Holy Spirt's power within us. And I do not lightly dismiss Spurgeon. I beg to differ:
1 John 2:13
I am writing to you, fathers, because you know Him who has been from the beginning I am writing to you, young men, because you have overcome the evil one I have written to you, children, because you know the Father. ...spoken to the church
1 John 2:14
I have written to you, fathers, because you know Him who has been from the beginning I have written to you, young men, because you are strong, and the word of God abides in you, and you have overcome the evil one.
1 John 4:4 You are from God, little children, and have overcome them; because greater is He who is in you than he who is in the world.
1 John 5:4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world--our faith.
1 John 5:3-5 (in Context) 1 John 5 (Whole Chapter)
1 John 5:5 Who is the one who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?
Revelation 2:7 ' He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches To him who overcomes, I will grant to eat of the tree of life which is in the Paradise of God.'
Revelation 2:11 ' He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches He who overcomes will not be hurt by the second death.'
Revelation 2:17
' He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches To him who overcomes, to him I will give some of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone, and a new name written on the stone which no one knows but he who receives it.'

If we do not overcome, we do not attain heaven because we are not saved. IF you truly believe, you will have the faith to do His word, you will overcome all the evil and attacks that the kingdom of darkness throws out at you. We are to be walking manifestations of the Living Christ, exuding His love, representing Him on the earth, all to His glory.
Maggie

livingbygrace · Apr 9, 2010

MaggieMye said:

But is this overcoming by the power of the Holy Spirit, or your own strength?

So that the Gentiles might be made an offering acceptable to God, sanctified by the Holy Spirit. Rom15:16

May I ask you your interpretation of Pauls words I quoted.

If while we seek to be justified in Christ it becomes evident that we ourselves are sinners, does this mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! if I rebuild what I destroyed I prove that I am a lawbreaker.

Can I also ask you what you consider is our righteousness as Christians?

And what is your interpretation of Rom6:14

For sin shall not be your master for you are not under law but under grace.

Also what is your interpretation of

Do we then nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather we uphold the law Rom3:31

I would also be interested in your interpretation of Rom7:5&6

For when we were controlled by the sinful nature, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in our bodies so that we bore fruit for death. But now, by dying to what once bound us we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the lod way of the written code,

Also as you said we sin soley by choice. Are you sinless and perfect? Or do you choose to willfully, deliberately sin and go against the Bible verses you quoted. If you do sin. Would you consider that God may take a dimmer view of it than He would of a new Chrtistians sin?

livingbygrace · Apr 9, 2010

MaggieMye said:

No it was not my point. I believe that when someone becomes a Christian they carry with them sin, That type of thinking negates what Christ did on the Cross, which tell us that when we are Born again, Born of God, ALL THINGS BECOME NEW and our sin is washed away. often deep rooted from their past life. Excuse me? "Past lives" are NOT Biblical. Whereas some sin will I am sure immediately be stopped others need more time. We cannot wave a magic wand and all of our sins immediately disappear on conversion.According to scirpture, they DO dissappear. Of course that does not mean that a person won't sin again. But IF they are truly Born of God, they will not CHOOSE to sin. BEcause to CHOOSE to sin is to bow to and OBEY that sin and the demon behind its promotion and that it idolatry.

I should have added that if you do choose to sin, would that mean that you have bowed to and obeyed that sin and the demon behind it? And if you sin does that make you an idolator?

Also if all our sins are washed away and gone without a trace, left at conversion would we not then be Holy?

So why does it say in Heb10:14

Because by one sacrifice he has made perfect those who are being made Holy.

Surely if you are right we are already Holy, how can we be being made Holy?

HumbleSaint · Apr 9, 2010

I am certainly not perfect, in fact if I were to say that I have not sinned since I became a Christian, I would be lying. The Bible says that temptation must come(but woe unto whom it cometh) ; but if you do fail the test, you can be sure that it will come right back around, and the more you resist, the stronger you will get.

The Bible says that God will not send us temptation beyond what we can bear, and will with that temptation, make a way of escape.1 Corinthians 10:13
Sometimes we cause ourselves to be tempted when we are carried away by our own lust and enticed. James 1:14. I believe a person dosen't get victroy in certain areas partialy because he may be expossing himself to things that may be causing him to sin, I believe that is why Jesus said,"If thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. Matthew 5:29

If thy TV, or music, or etc. offend thee, get rid of it(that would be easier). Since I became a Christian I have been delivered from some unbelievalbly powerful strongholds and as soon as I became a Christian I knew that I would have to get rid of a lot of things that I knew would destroy me. I still battle the flesh, but thanks to the Lord, he has helped me to continue on.

MaggieMye · Apr 10, 2010

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]But is this overcoming by the power of the Holy Spirit, or your own strength? By the Power of the Holy Spirit at work in and through us.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]So that the Gentiles might be made an offering acceptable to God, sanctified by the Holy Spirit. Rom15:16

May I ask you your interpretation of Pauls words I quoted. I answered that in my 2nd (?) post.

If while we seek to be justified in Christ it becomes evident that we ourselves are sinners, does this mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! if I rebuild what I destroyed I prove that I am a lawbreaker. I already address this in my 2nd post.

Can I also ask you what you consider is our righteousness as Christians? Christ Jesus is our rightesouness[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]And what is your interpretation of Rom6:14 "14For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace." taken in context with verse 13, we are told that sin will NOT rule us and that it is His grace that makes this possible...(that and the shed blood)

Also what is your interpretation of

Do we then nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather we uphold the law Rom3:31 the law is not made obsolete by Christ, but rather it is fulfilled in and through Christ. He completes the perfect law of God, which is found in the first two commandments of the reknown 10.

I would also be interested in your interpretation of Rom7:5&6 simply means that if....IF we are walking according to the Spirit...walking IN the Spirit we are free, or are supposed to be and can be, free from the law that pertains to the flesh.

Also as you said we sin soley by choice. Are you sinless and perfect? I never said that I was. I sin, when I act without thinking and sometimes in ignorance. But I don't purposely sin. Or do you choose to willfully, deliberately sin and go against the Bible verses you quoted. If you do sin. Would you consider that God may take a dimmer view of it than He would of a new Chrtistians sin? I don't know. Sin is sin and He is not a respecter of person. The word 'failure' is not found in the KJV or the NASB. God does not use that word in reference to His children. Our inability to do or to not do something is an indicator...a meter of sorts as to how much more training we need from the Holy Spirit....should we be teachable.[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Why do you have such a problem with holding ALL believers accountable??[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]I should have added that if you do choose to sin, would that mean that you have bowed to and obeyed that sin and the demon behind it? Yes And if you sin does that make you an idolator? If you are choosing to do an ungodly act or dwell on an ungodly thought, yes.

Also if all our sins are washed away and gone without a trace, left at conversion would we not then be Holy? Yes, until we speak or judge or act in a way that does not exude Christ, which makes the working out of one's salvation in fear and trembling a constant state of 'being saved'.

So why does it say in Heb10:14

Because by one sacrifice he has made perfect those who are being made Holy. "being made" is a present tense terminology. When we sin, we go to the Cross and are in the process of 'being made' holy once again.
Surely if you are right we are already Holy, how can we be being made Holy? see above[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]I believe a person dosen't get victroy in certain areas partialy because he may be expossing himself to things that may be causing him to sin, I believe that is why Jesus said,"If thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. Matthew 5:29 This verse speaks about a rebellious member of the church being cast out so they don't become a stumbling block for other believers...it's better for one member to perish or be lost, rather than the whole church.[/FONT]

HumbleSaint · Apr 10, 2010

Maggie you made some interesting statements but I noticed that your bible says that you are being sanctified. Salvation is not a process, Christian growth is a process. That is why I use the KJB. Here is what Hebrews 10:14 realy says. For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. If we are truly sanctifed the Bible says the God writes His law on are hearts, so we will have a desire to obey His Word. We are either saved or we are not....there is no halfway.

And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 1 John 2:3

For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 1 John 5:3

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