Book of Enoch, chapter 6

[AuntieAnt]

To talk about angels as if they had any power outside of God’s will is not only ludicrous, but it’s in extreme error. You would be suggesting that the Lord is not Sovereign God or that His own angels can do anything outside of His control.

I advise you to read the first chapter of the book of Jude, which warns us against those who subtly pervert the grace of God by suggesting angels have power over His perfect will.

Jude chapter 1 tells us that the angels who abandoned their positions God has kept bound in chains to this day. Anyone who speaks otherwise is rejecting God's own authority and accusing celestial beings, which are God's dignitaries. The Word tells us even Michael the Archangel himself did not contend with the devil but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"

Did you hear that? Even Michael the Archangel knows the Lord is Sovereign and that everything is under His dominion.

Jude 1:10
"Yet these people slander whatever they do not understand, and the very things they do understand by instinct—as irrational animals do—will destroy them."

Jude goes on to tell us that people who do such things are committing the same error as Balaam. They are only drawing attention to themselves and want people to admire them for their “great knowledge,” and in the process they are casting doubt on the Lord’s supreme control. As Jude says of them, “They boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage.” They flatter those who agree with them.

Brothers and sisters, make no mistake ~ it is totally unholy thinking to believe God doesn’t have dominion over everything and everyone, including angels. He is Lord of ALL!

 

[tanakh]

Slavery is not condoned by God. Slavery like all carnal minded man's invention is from evil.

A lot of things in the bible shouldn't be condoned by God otherwise it means that some of us have a higher sense of morality than he does. It still remains that they are in the Bible and it follows that if one believes everything should be taken as literal and inerrant then that includes all the ''nasty bits'' as well as the nice ones. The alternative would be to do what Marcion did and chuck the OT, and edit the NT leaving a ''readers Digest'' version of Luke and Pauls letters.

 

[NayborBear]

First off, I applaud Disciple Mike, in presenting this book of Enoch! I tried, although in not "such" a fashion, in doing this some 8 er 9 months ago. And? Per usual, there were then, and here now, those who would refute ANY, and ALL "inclusions" of the Book of Enoch, as well as the Book of Jasher, into what the "Traditions of MEN" Accepted "version" of the "canonanized" Holy Bible, and who hold SO DEARLY TO, "that" which is the ONLY inspired WORD of God, on the planet, of that there EVER WAS written! Tsk!Tsk!!

And for "those"? who's "hope" is in embracing this "Canon of Men", AND, their being saved? REJOICE!!, But?, Like Jesus said to Peter: "Not ALL of YOU!" (meaning each one individually. not corporately). For YOU have "secured" for yourselfs, a "place" in the earth and heaven age to come! Meaning, this should be about as far as you may wish to read my post.

Having said that.......It is with little wonder, and MUCH frustration, not to mention "friction", that we endure, YET, press ON, TO the High(er) CALLING of GOD! In Christ Jesus? THIS question, is a "no brainer", for us, who seek the "government" which is ON Christ's shoulders! And, not just the "parameters" (if you will), of the "offices" of "God's government" that apply to THIS earth age, but, yea, to THAT which is (and,also) ETERNAL! There IS just a "hint" of this "Eternal Priesthood" (AND a "higher level" of government), in Melchizedek's arrival on the scene, in the book of Genesis.

This "taking" of women mentioned in Enoch, as well as the canonized Bible, would be more accurately described as a "locust" army, whose "workings" are described as well. The "simple" inplantation of a "thought", or, an idea, which carries with it, many many tangents (if pursued), and does in fact cause many to lose their way, and "seek" for way(s) OUT of temptation. There ARE, however, and it seems clearer, and clearer to me, as time goes on, That God's WORD is true, in that there are those of us, who, in these eyes, are (for lack of a better, or more descriptive term) DESTINED to go THROUGH these "temptations" IRREGARDLESS! Why?, you may ask? Because, we "hear" the "different" higher calling, which causes us to not merely walk in these ways, but yea, to overcome, and WAR AGAINST these ways! The Essenes referred to a "Manual of Discipline", in these warrings, against sons of darkness, which includes power and princapalities of darkness, as well as spiritual wickedness in high places (think higher "reasoning/s" of one's mind here). Waging this warfare, DOES make us look MOST "peculiar", in the eyes of most "Christians", but, also "marks" us, in the eyes of wicked men! I am becoming more and more convinced, that this can ONLY be attributable to the fact, that there are those of us who are "God's Remnant"! We CANNOT escape this, and in discovering this, do not even WISH to try!

 

[RBA238]

To talk about angels as if they had any power outside of God’s will is not only ludicrous, but it’s in extreme error. You would be suggesting that the Lord is not Sovereign God or that His own angels can do anything outside of His control.

I advise you to read the first chapter of the book of Jude, which warns us against those who subtly pervert the grace of God by suggesting angels have power over His perfect will.

Jude chapter 1 tells us that the angels who abandoned their positions God has kept bound in chains to this day. Anyone who speaks otherwise is rejecting God's own authority and accusing celestial beings, which are God's dignitaries. The Word tells us even Michael the Archangel himself did not contend with the devil but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"

Did you hear that? Even Michael the Archangel knows the Lord is Sovereign and that everything is under His dominion.

Jude 1:10
"Yet these people slander whatever they do not understand, and the very things they do understand by instinct—as irrational animals do—will destroy them."

Jude goes on to tell us that people who do such things are committing the same error as Balaam. They are only drawing attention to themselves and want people to admire them for their “great knowledge,” and in the process they are casting doubt on the Lord’s supreme control. As Jude says of them, “They boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage.” They flatter those who agree with them.

Brothers and sisters, make no mistake ~ it is totally unholy thinking to believe God doesn’t have dominion over everything and everyone, including angels. He is Lord of ALL!

Totally agree with this post...God gave Humans as well as his Angels...Free Will. No robots. Satan, once Archangel Lucifer, was given special recognition to overseer God's Throne he also was considered the most Beautiful of all God's Angels...He let it turn into pride, and got other angels to rebel against God. God cast him out of heaven for his disobedience, and Pride.
Read: Isaiah 14 verses 12-16 and Eziekiel 28 verse 13-19.

 

[Ariel82]

A lot of things in the bible shouldn't be condoned by God otherwise it means that some of us have a higher sense of morality than he does. It still remains that they are in the Bible and it follows that if one believes everything should be taken as literal and inerrant then that includes all the ''nasty bits'' as well as the nice ones. The alternative would be to do what Marcion did and chuck the OT, and edit the NT leaving a ''readers Digest'' version of Luke and Pauls letters.

God condemned alot of things the Israelites did and slavery found in the Old testament called for humane treatment of slaves, Sabbath rest for them, etc. Jesus said Moses allowed divorce because of sin. I believe slavery is the same...it was allowed but in the NEW testament all believers are equal be they male, female, slave, free, New or gentile.

Jesus came to set the captives free.

 

[RBA238]

Excellent..agree!

 

[disciplemike]

Enoch, Chapter 14...

The book of the words of righteousness,
and of the reprimand of the eternal Watchers
in accordance with the command of the Holy Great One in that vision.
Enoch 14.1

 

[lettucepray]

And the angels, the children of heaven, saw and lusted after them [daughters of men],
and said one to another:
Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men
and beget us children.
Enoch 6:2

(your thoughts?)

How Jewish do you want to dig into this? Lol. I NEED to study Judaism, there has got to be so much more information written for them by YHWH before creation than what is just available in Genesis

 

[Hungry]

I may get some argument here but just about everybody is a slave. We just choose not to call it slavery. If you are going to a job to earn some money (just paper because there is nothing to back it up) so you pay your bills and debt, then you are a slave. Depending on the country there are just different laws protecting slaves "workers". Many people used to sell themselves and their families into "slavery" for a period to get out of debt. Forced slavery is evil but what they used to call slavery was a form of employment.

I'm not going to defend the Book of Enoch entirely but I think we need to look at some things in the Bible objectively in order to understand it better. First of all God appears to be the Creator but it is clear the ruler of this world isn't Him. He may have complete knowledge of everything and can influence the outcome of situations through His people but if He had complete control His will "would be done on earth as it is in Heaven". We wouldn't have to pray for it. The Bible doesn't say that angels do not have physical bodies. It just says that they don't get married. Angel does not mean spiritual being, it means messenger. Just because our eyes are incapable of seeing them doesn't mean they are not physical. Could it be that what we are calling spiritual is just not explainable or technologically beyond our comprehension. What if their is some sort of universal intellectual property rights that what you create you own. Could that be why Satan tried to change the DNA of man to steal the created? Could that explain why the Creator destroyed the creation because what he created was so deviated due to genetic tampering? Maybe while in the desert after escaping Egypt Moses didn't want to have to educate everyone on genetics and DNA splicing to give a more intellectually sound explanation. Maybe allegory is just a more effective way to get the main points across in a way that everybody can comprehend. Perhaps everything isn't all that mysterious. Here's the main points that are backed by Scripture, you can paint the picture anyway you want. The Creator created Earth and man and everything. Man disobeyed and was fired. God kicked him out of Paradise where the tree of life was and that is why they died eventually. Sons of God genetically tampered with creation and it was destroyed except for selected species and a man "perfect" in his generations, genetically pure. However, not his son's wives so that may explain the giants after. His Son came to reconcile us, but we have to choose who we serve, the prince of this world, or our Heavenly Father. The Creator is coming back to destroy, or let the Earth be destroyed and He will recreate it.

 

[disciplemike]

and on to Chapter 15...

And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack,
do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble:
they take no food, but nevertheless hunger and thirst, and cause offences.
And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women,
because they have proceeded from them.
Enoch 15.11

 

[Ariel82]

. First of all God appears to be the Creator but it is clear the ruler of this world isn't Him.

Sorry that's a lie that many have been deceived into believing.

Jesus has dominion over heaven and earth.

Matthew 28:18 ►
Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

 

[Ariel82]

Enoch, Chapter 14...

The book of the words of righteousness,
and of the reprimand of the eternal Watchers
in accordance with the command of the Holy Great One in that vision.
Enoch 14.1

Jude 1:9 ►
But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"

 

[disciplemike]

Next Chapter please...

You have been in heaven,
but all the mysteries had not yet been revealed to you,
and you knew worthless ones,
and these in the hardness of your hearts you have made known to women,
and through these mysteries women and men work much evil on the earth.
Enoch 16.3

 

[Hungry]

Sorry that's a lie that many have been deceived into believing.

Jesus has dominion over heaven and earth.

Matthew 28:18 ►
Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

He might have been given authority but He has yet to claim His rightful throne here on earth at least. How else can you explain Ephesians 6:12. "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

 

[RBA238]

He might have been given authority but He has yet to claim His rightful throne here on earth at least. How else can you explain Ephesians 6:12. "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

I can explain Epheaians 6 verse 12. There are Two Spiritual Forces after our souls.
(1) Jesus Christ who died for our sins, and wants all of us to come to him, and he wi forgive us of all our sins. And he will take us to heaven to live with him (2) Satan and his demons who roam the earth and deveive people 24/7. Only the few will listen and do what God wants us to do, and won't be saved.
This explains Epheaians 6 verse 12

 

[Ariel82]

He might have been given authority but He has yet to claim His rightful throne here on earth at least. How else can you explain Ephesians 6:12. "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

It's a spiritual war and people would rather listen to lies than God's truth.

Jesus reigns but there are still rebel forces seeking to form terrorist cells.

People poisoning the waters, launching gas bombs, etc.

 

[Hungry]

I can explain Epheaians 6 verse 12. There are Two Spiritual Forces after our souls.
(1) Jesus Christ who died for our sins, and wants all of us to come to him, and he wi forgive us of all our sins. And he will take us to heaven to live with him (2) Satan and his demons who roam the earth and deveive people 24/7. Only the few will listen and do what God wants us to do, and won't be saved.
This explains Epheaians 6 verse 12

Just to clear up a few things; Thanks for that but I didn't need it explained to me. The point of all of this was to try to discern whether The Book of Enoch has any Biblical foundation. We all have preconceptions on which we base our theology and then try to interpret the Bible to match our beliefs. Some people believe angels to be some mystical creatures who have no physical bodies and therefore can't father children so Genesis 6 must not mean what is clearly written. What I was trying to get across is that instead of debunking what the Bible says and spinning it into what seems acceptable, we should read the whole book and then base our conclusions on what is actually written collectively.

 

[Hungry]

It's a spiritual war and people would rather listen to lies than God's truth.

Jesus reigns but there are still rebel forces seeking to form terrorist cells.

People poisoning the waters, launching gas bombs, etc.

That's exactly my point! If He had complete control then there wouldn't be rebels. The followers of Christ are a minority here on earth. One day the enemy will be destroyed but for now he rules this dark world.

 

[Ariel82]

That's exactly my point! If He had complete control then there wouldn't be rebels. The followers of Christ are a minority here on earth. One day the enemy will be destroyed but for now he rules this dark world.

There is a difference between rebellions and being in control. Satan is NOT ruler of this world, he is a fugitive. He is a mob boss with minions that beat up folks and spread lies.

 

[RBA238]

Just to clear up a few things; Thanks for that but I didn't need it explained to me. The point of all of this was to try to discern whether The Book of Enoch has any Biblical foundation. We all have preconceptions on which we base our theology and then try to interpret the Bible to match our beliefs. Some people believe angels to be some mystical creatures who have no physical bodies and therefore can't father children so Genesis 6 must not mean what is clearly written. What I was trying to get across is that instead of debunking what the Bible says and spinning it into what seems acceptable, we should read the whole book and then base our conclusions on what is actually written collectively.

No where in the KJV do we Read about any Book of Enoch..We can read all about Enoch and his Ancestry in Genesis starting in Genesis 4 verse 17...This Enoch was the Son of Cain, after he killed Abel...then we read about in Genesis 4 verse 18 where Enoch had I son Irad, etc. Then in Genesis 5 verses 22 -24. Enoch lived 365 years and had sons and daughters, then God loved him so much he Raptured him to heaven, Enoch never died..

In Jude 14-15: It tells he was a man of God. That is why God decided to Take him to heaven...Never see however, where his Words were written except in Jude..2 verses.