What parts of Torah can we still keep today?

[FreeNChrist]

Right. You are above the law and the law is dead for you.

Right. Because Christians are under a higher law. If you jump off a high cliff the effects of law of gravity will cause you to fall. But if you jump off that same high cliff in a hang glider, the effects of the law of aerodynamics will supersede the law of gravity and cause you to fly. That is what the law of Christ has done to the Law, it has superseded it. Even when Christians stumble we do not fall, because Christ is always there to lift us up.

 

[p_rehbein]

If I were you, I would focus on what parts of the Gospel of Christ you are walking in........Torah keeping ain't gonna get you to join with the "wheat." But it MIGHT get ya included with the "tares." Sooooooo


SIDEBAR:

Wasn't Torah, Torah, Torah a Japanese battle cry during WWII? Ever wonder why?

 

[Grandpa]

Hebrews 7:18-19
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

Romans 9:31-33

[SUP]31 [/SUP]But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.

[SUP]32 [/SUP]Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

[SUP]33 [/SUP]As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.


The Lord Jesus Christ didn't have the authority to take the curse of the law away from us?

I wonder how long it would be tolerated to go onto a Jewish site and proclaim Jesus? I'm not sure why this judaism nonsense is tolerated here.

They already tried to blend Judaism and Christianity 2000 yrs ago. It didn't blend. See Acts 15. And pretty much the rest of the New Testament.

 

[jcha]

We are under NONE of the Law of Moses. We are under the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ. We are in the New Covenant - NOT the Old Covenant.

We Gentiles are NOT Jewish no matter what we try to do to make ourselves into one and the Law was not made for us but for the Israelites.


Romans 3:19-20 (NASB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God
;
[SUP]20 [/SUP] because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.


Romans 6:14-15 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

[SUP]15 [/SUP] What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be!

We have the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus now - NOT the Law for life and living. We don't need to "obey" Lev. 18:23 to stop having sex with animals - the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus will stop that. We can trust the Holy spirit in this New Covenant. The Old Covenant is now obsolete.

Jesus has fulfilled the Law and now we live in Him. He is enough.

Right. You are above the law and the law is dead for you.

 

[p_rehbein]

What happened between "age 6, in a Southern Baptist Church" and NOW?

 

[jcha]

Hebrews 7:18-19
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

Romans 9:31-33

[SUP]31 [/SUP]But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.

[SUP]32 [/SUP]Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

[SUP]33 [/SUP]As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.


The Lord Jesus Christ didn't have the authority to take the curse of the law away from us?

I wonder how long it would be tolerated to go onto a Jewish site and proclaim Jesus? I'm not sure why this judaism nonsense is tolerated here.

They already tried to blend Judaism and Christianity 2000 yrs ago. It didn't blend. See Acts 15. And pretty much the rest of the New Testament.

You do know that Jesus was a Jew, right? How many apostles were also Jews?

 

[hornetguy]

You do know that Jesus was a Jew, right? How many apostles were also Jews?

How is that germane to this discussion?

 

[jcha]

What happened between "age 6, in a Southern Baptist Church" and NOW?

At age six I invited Jesus into my heart and was baptized. I went to church and learned through Sunday School many Bible Stories, but never achieved that personal relationship with God AND with Jesus. Bad things and bad people seemed to be a constant surrounding me. God taught me little by little to cry out to Him. I am very thankful for Sunday school bible stories, but life in Christ is way more than abiding in pagan stuff overlayed with Christian ideas and man-made traditions.

The truth does set you free.

Psalm 119:…141I am small and despised, Yet I do not forget Your precepts. 142Your righteousness is an everlastingrighteousness, And Your law is truth. 143Trouble and anguish have come upon me, Yet Your commandments are my delight.…

 

[LaurenTM]

Right. You are above the law and the law is dead for you.

that's a duplicate of your post #18

you remind me of pilgrimpassingthrough

alot

 

[LaurenTM]

If I were you, I would focus on what parts of the Gospel of Christ you are walking in........Torah keeping ain't gonna get you to join with the "wheat." But it MIGHT get ya included with the "tares." Sooooooo


SIDEBAR:

Wasn't Torah, Torah, Torah a Japanese battle cry during WWII? Ever wonder why?

seems to be a battle cry round these here parts as well

to the law and the prophets!!!!

 

[Grace777x70]

Right. You are above the law and the law is dead for you.

No, the Law is still there....the law is NOT dead to me....it's the fact that " I am dead" to the Law because I am in Christ now. I died with Christ on the cross and rose with Him to newness of life in the Spirit. I am joined to Christ as one spirit. The same as every other true Christian that is in Christ.

I now live by His life in me - His love, His obedience. The true Christian life is all about Christ and we are in Him. The law is a goner for the true Christian and we live in the New Covenant.

 

[jcha]

How is that germane to this discussion?

Just pointing to a fact many hate Judaism, and Jesus was a Jew and He lived like a Jew and He walked and taught Torah.

 

[KohenMatt]

I've always said that all ALL of the Law is applicable physically and/or spiritually.

There is a common misconception that the majority of the Law is inapplicable today. However, when you actually take the time to read through all of the ~613 laws, you see how many of them are do-able and applicable. (Thus the Law thread I created.)

Obviously, there are many that aren't physically applicable. There are some that aren't physically applicable for some people (Agricultural, military, etc.) There are the ones that involve the temple, which are not able to be kept physically. But I believe there are spiritual lessons we can learn from them and that can affect our daily lives.

And most importantly, there are the sacrifices, primarily Leviticus 1-6, that aren't physically applicable due to Jesus' sacrifice. But each of those sacrifices represent a certain aspect that Jesus' sacrifice accomplished. Again, being aware of what His sacrifice actually did is a crucial part of our lives and should affect the way we daily live.

So again, I believe ALL of the Law is applicable physically and/or spiritually, as long as we put it into it's proper perspective and context given Jesus' sacrifice.

 

[Grandpa]

You do know that Jesus was a Jew, right? How many apostles were also Jews?

Does that mean that Hebrews 7:18-19 and Romans 9:31-33 don't apply??

 

[Grandpa]

I've always said that all ALL of the Law is applicable physically and/or spiritually.

There is a common misconception that the majority of the Law is inapplicable today. However, when you actually take the time to read through all of the ~613 laws, you see how many of them are do-able and applicable. (Thus the Law thread I created.)

Obviously, there are many that aren't physically applicable. There are some that aren't physically applicable for some people (Agricultural, military, etc.) There are the ones that involve the temple, which are not able to be kept physically. But I believe there are spiritual lessons we can learn from them and that can affect our daily lives.

And most importantly, there are the sacrifices, primarily Leviticus 1-6, that aren't physically applicable due to Jesus' sacrifice. But each of those sacrifices represent a certain aspect that Jesus' sacrifice accomplished. Again, being aware of what His sacrifice actually did is a crucial part of our lives and should affect the way we daily live.

So again, I believe ALL of the Law is applicable physically and/or spiritually, as long as we put it into it's proper perspective and context given Jesus' sacrifice.

Galatians 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

 

[TrailofTruth]

Would love to hear your thoughts about the Gospel written in the passage of 1 Tim 2:12, provided of course you are not married, then you might want to listen to why all men are created equal as written in Genesis 5:1-2.

I guess I don't know where you're getting at. I'm not married. I agree all mankind are equal. There is no male or female in Christ. Gender is just for our roles on the earth. Both male and female were punished for sin. I agree that a woman should remain silent in the worship service- not because she is not capable of preaching, but because that is her punishment. Personally, I think man's punishment is worse- hard labor his whole life. I'd rather get it over with in the pain of childbirth than to have it everyday.

 

[eph610]

Scribes and Lawyers please tell how you view this scripture:

1 Cor 15.56-57
[SUP]56 [/SUP]The sting of death is sin; and sin draws its power from the Torah; [SUP]57 [/SUP]but thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Yeshua the Messiah!

 

[KohenMatt]

Galatians 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Grandpa, did I mention ANYWHERE in my post about trying to be made perfect by the flesh? Of course I can't be made perfect by the Law. I've never advocated ONCE, ANYWHERE in ANY of my posts ANYTHING other close to that.

Pay attention and stop making arguments against a stance I've never taken.

 

[Grandpa]

Scribes and Lawyers please tell how you view this scripture:

1 Cor 15.56-57
[SUP]56 [/SUP]The sting of death is sin; and sin draws its power from the Torah; [SUP]57 [/SUP]but thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Yeshua the Messiah!

And after you are done with that one how about this one;

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

 

[Grandpa]

Grandpa, did I mention ANYWHERE in my post about trying to be made perfect by the flesh? Of course I can't be made perfect by the Law. I've never advocated ONCE, ANYWHERE in ANY of my posts ANYTHING other close to that.

Pay attention and stop making arguments against a stance I've never taken.

I didn't make any arguments. Its a simple question.

If it isn't perfecting you why are you wasting your time doing it? Why not do something more advantageous? Life is short you know.