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W
You must keep all of the law not parts of it James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. That's New Testament now Old Testament Deuteronomy 27:26 [SUP]6 [/SUP]Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen. jcha teaches heresy! You have to do it all Moses said so himself.
W
The Jews went under the curse of the law because of sin it shows clearly in Nehemiah Chapter 10 especially verse 29 They clave to their brethren, their nobles, and entered into a curse, and into an oath, to walk in God's law, which was given by Moses the servant of God, and to observe and do all the commandments of the Lord our Lord, and his judgments and his statutes. They where to do all of them. If you live the law you have to do it all.
You must keep all of it perfectly if you want to be saved. And no one is capable of doing that.
But even in the Old Testament, there was atonement for those who sinned and broke the law; Through the blood of a sacrifice. It is the same in the New Testament; Through the blood of the sacrifice of Jesus.
But even in the Old Testament, there was atonement for those who sinned and broke the law; Through the blood of a sacrifice. It is the same in the New Testament; Through the blood of the sacrifice of Jesus.
F
Thats a very convenient belief system, but that's just not the way it works. Grace doesn't exist as a get out of jail free card so that you can continue to try and live by the Law, and then claim Gods grace when you fail. It's strictly an either/or proposition. You can have Law or you can have grace, but you cannot have both. And if you fail at the Law at any point you are guilty of it all. And Gods grace will be of no help to you as you will have already rejected it in favor of the Law.
Especially when Peter himselfsays, why burden them with the law which WE nor Our Fathers could keep. Then Paul withstood Peter in Galatians for living like a gentile in real life, but like a jew when the was around Jews.
We'r really playing with fire dabbling with the law. It will stifle our fruitfulness.
We'r really playing with fire dabbling with the law. It will stifle our fruitfulness.
while looking through the Torah to see if I would come up with a different list of what's keepable today, I found this
13 Now concerning everything which I have said to you, be on your guard; and do not mention the name of other gods, nor let them be heard [l]from your mouth.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+23&version=NASB
can anyone here name the planets from memory?
Mercury...
I've just broken the entire law.
J
You must eat all the Apple, even the seeds and stem or else you haven't eaten the whole Apple. Does this not sound ludicrous?
I desire to keep what is applicable both spiritually and physically. The benefits are awesome.
Did Jesus keep the whole law? No, he couldn't keep laws that pertained only to the Levites. He couldn't keep agricultural laws. He couldn't keep laws that only pertain to women. He couldn't keep laws for leprosy. Jesus is our example. He called out the Pharisees and Saducees for ADDING to Torah, for elevating their man-made laws above God's laws.
The Law is very specific about not adding or diminishing from them.
Before coming to this truth, I participated in Christmas, nativity scenes, Christmas trees, and other Christmas activities like lying to my children when Jesus was born, Santa Claus and elves. I enjoyed the church fall festivals on Halloween. I observed sunrise service in the park, celebrated Easter and bunnies and boiled and dyed eggs and Easter egg hunts. I never rested on any day of the week. I ate out at restaurants on Sunday, having assisted in making someone serve me while they worked. My husband was tired by Sunday after doing yard work on Saturday and working 10 hour week day. He often contributed to making Sunday mornings miserable for our children and for me.
Is there anything that remedies these curses? Yes, obeying commandments like the forever ones. But, you call me a heretic for taking God at His word and not elevating the doctrine of "believe only in Jesus" and Jesus nailed it all to the cross.
What about Jesus's gospel? He preached and told parables about the coming restored kingdom. You call Him LORD, but He said keep the commandments. I won't post scripture now, because it is heresy to you, or do you only pick and choose from the modern day traditions that are man-made?
I desire to keep what is applicable both spiritually and physically. The benefits are awesome.
Did Jesus keep the whole law? No, he couldn't keep laws that pertained only to the Levites. He couldn't keep agricultural laws. He couldn't keep laws that only pertain to women. He couldn't keep laws for leprosy. Jesus is our example. He called out the Pharisees and Saducees for ADDING to Torah, for elevating their man-made laws above God's laws.
The Law is very specific about not adding or diminishing from them.
Before coming to this truth, I participated in Christmas, nativity scenes, Christmas trees, and other Christmas activities like lying to my children when Jesus was born, Santa Claus and elves. I enjoyed the church fall festivals on Halloween. I observed sunrise service in the park, celebrated Easter and bunnies and boiled and dyed eggs and Easter egg hunts. I never rested on any day of the week. I ate out at restaurants on Sunday, having assisted in making someone serve me while they worked. My husband was tired by Sunday after doing yard work on Saturday and working 10 hour week day. He often contributed to making Sunday mornings miserable for our children and for me.
Is there anything that remedies these curses? Yes, obeying commandments like the forever ones. But, you call me a heretic for taking God at His word and not elevating the doctrine of "believe only in Jesus" and Jesus nailed it all to the cross.
What about Jesus's gospel? He preached and told parables about the coming restored kingdom. You call Him LORD, but He said keep the commandments. I won't post scripture now, because it is heresy to you, or do you only pick and choose from the modern day traditions that are man-made?
W
Well the bible will show you a liar again jcha Paul affirms what Moses said in the old testament Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. That was Paul going back to the law in what Moses said in Deuteronomy 27:26 [SUP]26 [/SUP]Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen. Two men of God showing you have to live it all and if not you are cursed. The bible defends it self as in Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged. No one can please God in the flesh Romans 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But only in spirit John 4:2 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. How do we do that we come to Jesus knowing we can do nothing apart from Him be baptized with the Holy Ghost which only Jesus gives and the Comforter shall guide us. I will get to the rest later. Oh and I didn't add nothing to the law or taken away whatever your role is you must do it perfectly like Jesus did or you are cursed until you come to Him on His terms.
J
Again, what you are interpreting Deuteronomy 26:27 to mean that only individuals are to actually do every law, when even Christ did not.
The true meaning is we are to affirm the whole law as a set for an entire single government. That is God's government, with rules to accommodate the entire nation.
Deuteronomy 27:26‘Cursed is anyone who does not affirm and obey the terms of these instructions.’And all the people will reply, ‘Amen.’
Simply put, as a citizen of the United States, there are thousands of laws and not ALL OF THEM apply to me personally, however, they are for the whole country.
God's nation of Israel has many instructions. Some are for Levites, priests, high priest of the earthly temple. I am not a Levite and there is presently no temple. I cannot keep laws that do not apply to me, and neither could Jesus. There has not been a Sanhedrin for many years. That is the judges that can carry out capital punishments.
When a Supreme Justice passes away, a replacement must be made before any new judgements can be made. Their status and role is temporarily suspended until the vacancy is filled.
And many more comparisons in the natural can be made.
People are forever comparing God the Father with earthly parents.
God the Father has rules for His Son's and daughters.
His Rules and instructions are always for our good. He didn't make His commandments to be too difficult or burdensome.
You, well all of us, need to assist one another to grow up and mature and live the lifestyle that reflects which God we honor and obey.
Jesus came to Herald the gospel of the kingdom. Jesus came to put a face on God. Jesus came to show us the WRITTEN TORAH IS ALL WE NEED. Jesus came and taught that man-made traditions ARE NOT NEEDED AND IS SINNING.
Jesus, after His resurrection taught Paul for three years the MYSTERY OF THE GOSPEL.
JESUS taught in parables and everyone of them applies to God's Kingdom on earth, as it is in heaven.
Jesus will return and He will perfectly fulfill God's Fall Feasts. If you don't understand the Fall Feasts, then you will be unaware of the season of Jesus's return.
The true meaning is we are to affirm the whole law as a set for an entire single government. That is God's government, with rules to accommodate the entire nation.
Deuteronomy 27:26‘Cursed is anyone who does not affirm and obey the terms of these instructions.’And all the people will reply, ‘Amen.’
Simply put, as a citizen of the United States, there are thousands of laws and not ALL OF THEM apply to me personally, however, they are for the whole country.
God's nation of Israel has many instructions. Some are for Levites, priests, high priest of the earthly temple. I am not a Levite and there is presently no temple. I cannot keep laws that do not apply to me, and neither could Jesus. There has not been a Sanhedrin for many years. That is the judges that can carry out capital punishments.
When a Supreme Justice passes away, a replacement must be made before any new judgements can be made. Their status and role is temporarily suspended until the vacancy is filled.
And many more comparisons in the natural can be made.
People are forever comparing God the Father with earthly parents.
God the Father has rules for His Son's and daughters.
His Rules and instructions are always for our good. He didn't make His commandments to be too difficult or burdensome.
You, well all of us, need to assist one another to grow up and mature and live the lifestyle that reflects which God we honor and obey.
Jesus came to Herald the gospel of the kingdom. Jesus came to put a face on God. Jesus came to show us the WRITTEN TORAH IS ALL WE NEED. Jesus came and taught that man-made traditions ARE NOT NEEDED AND IS SINNING.
Jesus, after His resurrection taught Paul for three years the MYSTERY OF THE GOSPEL.
JESUS taught in parables and everyone of them applies to God's Kingdom on earth, as it is in heaven.
Jesus will return and He will perfectly fulfill God's Fall Feasts. If you don't understand the Fall Feasts, then you will be unaware of the season of Jesus's return.
L
[FONT="]Torah-observant groups justify their position on the basis of selected verses, while ignoring others.
I have certainly found that to be an accurate description of the responses...or rather lack of responses...to scripture offered that directly contradicts things that the law keepers here offer as a more complete 'gospel' that is really no gospel at all.
Much is made of the term "forever" used in regard to some Old Testament laws, while verses such as Hebrews 8:13 that speak of the first covenant as being "obsolete," are not dealt with.
Further, they ignore what theologians commonly call the "history of redemption," the progress of God's dealings with humankind throughout history. Jesus has indeed brought something new, but the Torah-observant groups minimize the newness that the coming of the Messiah has meant. In addition, they minimize the way much Old Testament law functioned to distinguish Israel from the nations
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I have certainly found that to be an accurate description of the responses...or rather lack of responses...to scripture offered that directly contradicts things that the law keepers here offer as a more complete 'gospel' that is really no gospel at all.
Much is made of the term "forever" used in regard to some Old Testament laws, while verses such as Hebrews 8:13 that speak of the first covenant as being "obsolete," are not dealt with.
Further, they ignore what theologians commonly call the "history of redemption," the progress of God's dealings with humankind throughout history. Jesus has indeed brought something new, but the Torah-observant groups minimize the newness that the coming of the Messiah has meant. In addition, they minimize the way much Old Testament law functioned to distinguish Israel from the nations
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You can keep whatever part you like, so long as you don't place that burden on another as a prerequisite to salvation. VVant to keep a feast? By all means. Don't want to eat pork? Then don't, but don't make it a law that a Christian must obey or else, in terms of salvation. There is nothing wrong with you making these conscious decisions, there are benefits to them. Just keep in mind that it is God sanctifying you and working on you. You started in faith, continue in it. Let the Lord transform you, and have no confidence in your flesh.