This is a shocker - but you need to read it.

[bikerchaz]

Well I was going to say something but now I will change my subject matter. I am sad at what I have read on this thread. If you, anyone had a word of knowledge from God through the Spirit and you knew you had to put it on here for only one person, would you?

Knowing that only one person would understand what you meant, would you? Would you expect a barrage of accusation, or that the message would be able to permeate through into someone's Spirit the thing they are having trouble with.

I really do not understand why the majority of answers are so hostile to the op. Wealth is a problem within the Church, or Jesus would not give guidelines of conscience for us to follow. No where has deciplemike said we should give away all we have, but reading the answers one would think he did.

What the Lord gives us to be steward of is for us and the Lord to sort out when He returns. Will the conversation be like that of the beggar Lazarus or the rich man? When we say on that day "Lord when did we see you hungry or naked?" What will the answer be from Jesus? This was the question for both the chosen and the cast out, only the reply from Jesus was different.

It does none of us any harm for our conscience to be pricked every so often, it keeps us on our toes. We as individuals as we live can take the Spirit for granted, The Holy Spirit will never force himself into our lives, we may have asked Him in and "fanning the flames" of the Spirit is a life long process, it is part of our race and the daily picking up of the cross.

No one dose ask me how to use wealth properly, no one will, because I live in social housing and am a carer for my wife with serious health issues, but to my shame when I see a need it does not always click with my brain that I could do anything about it until the opportunity has passed me by.

The one thing that does disappoint me about those who I know as I listen to them in my day to day life, is they say "OH don't give money", or "Don't encourage them they will be back". Scripture talks about fasting, true fasting. It talks about justice and mercy. These are Jesus words after all. It is something I feel we should all do well to keep close to our hearts.

Thank you disciplemike for reminding me of my duty to my God.

Lord Jesus keep in me your love, with the will, to touch those I can, with what ever you have given me to touch them with, in Jesus name, Amen.

 

[MikeHenderson]

YES Paulmack, we can do anything we want on the Sabbath day because the Sabbath was made for man to enjoy himself!

 

[disciplemike]

YES Paulmack, we can do anything we want on the Sabbath day because the Sabbath was made for man to enjoy himself!

that's right. you will show God who is boss.
When God says rest and keep it holy, you will show Him.

 

[MikeHenderson]

So are you saying disciplemike that no one can enjoy the Sabbath? That they cannot do anything that brings them joy?

That instead they are to sit staring at a blank wall all day???

 

[LaurenTM]

Well I was going to say something but now I will change my subject matter. I am sad at what I have read on this thread. If you, anyone had a word of knowledge from God through the Spirit and you knew you had to put it on here for only one person, would you?

Knowing that only one person would understand what you meant, would you? Would you expect a barrage of accusation, or that the message would be able to permeate through into someone's Spirit the thing they are having trouble with.

I really do not understand why the majority of answers are so hostile to the op. Wealth is a problem within the Church, or Jesus would not give guidelines of conscience for us to follow. No where has deciplemike said we should give away all we have, but reading the answers one would think he did.

What the Lord gives us to be steward of is for us and the Lord to sort out when He returns. Will the conversation be like that of the beggar Lazarus or the rich man? When we say on that day "Lord when did we see you hungry or naked?" What will the answer be from Jesus? This was the question for both the chosen and the cast out, only the reply from Jesus was different.

It does none of us any harm for our conscience to be pricked every so often, it keeps us on our toes. We as individuals as we live can take the Spirit for granted, The Holy Spirit will never force himself into our lives, we may have asked Him in and "fanning the flames" of the Spirit is a life long process, it is part of our race and the daily picking up of the cross.

No one dose ask me how to use wealth properly, no one will, because I live in social housing and am a carer for my wife with serious health issues, but to my shame when I see a need it does not always click with my brain that I could do anything about it until the opportunity has passed me by.

The one thing that does disappoint me about those who I know as I listen to them in my day to day life, is they say "OH don't give money", or "Don't encourage them they will be back". Scripture talks about fasting, true fasting. It talks about justice and mercy. These are Jesus words after all. It is something I feel we should all do well to keep close to our hearts.

Thank you disciplemike for reminding me of my duty to my God.

Lord Jesus keep in me your love, with the will, to touch those I can, with what ever you have given me to touch them with, in Jesus name, Amen.

it has been aptly demonstrated that the verses the op used are only a partial quote...the op left out the rest of that quote because it does not support his thoughts oropinions

this is the original op:

Jesus, seeing that he had become sad, said,
"How difficult it is for those who have wealth to enter the kingdom of God!For it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God."
Luke 18:24-25 (ESV2011, MBM)

If you are reading this, apparently you are on the internet with some device, which also means you are rich.
Poor people think differently than WE do.
Be warned. It is easy to say, "I am a believer", or "I have faith".

I will post one of many links to income stats.
The average HOUSEHOLD income worldwide is less than $10,000
Most of us have a lot more than that. We are rich.
Be warned. Examine yourself. I am not trying to judge anyone in this area, but this is for your consideration.

Worldwide, Median Household Income About $10,000

now lets look at what Jesus REALLY said

18A certain ruler asked him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

19“Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone. 20You know the commandments: ‘You shall not commit adultery, you shall not murder, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.’[SUP]a[/SUP] ”

21“All these I have kept since I was a boy,” he said.22When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

23When he heard this, he became very sad, because he was very wealthy. 24Jesus looked at him and said,“How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God! 25Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”

26Those who heard this asked, “Who then can be saved?”

27Jesus replied, “What is impossible with man is possible with God.”

now here are responses to the op that were posted way back

post # 70

You know what AIN'T a shocker? That someone has taken a portion of a scripture to preach some rhetoric that has nothing to do with the liberty we have in Christ Jesus.

Ask yourselves: Who is lifted up in the op, Jesus Christ or man?

In that same scripture they asked Jesus, "Who then can be saved?" And the Lord replied, "What's impossible for man to do to inherit the kingdom, is possible with God." And yet the op is telling us the complete opposite. He is telling us we must: consider our outward circumstances, study worldly statistics, feel guilt and shame about what God has provided for us, fear and be shocked and worried in order to inherit the kingdom....

Gimme a break! This is nothing but noise and self promotion.

and I posted this:

right

the rich young man wanted to know what else he had to do to inherit eternal life...AFTER he told Jesus how he obeyed all the law

so Jesus told him to do something that was impossible for him...which illustrated that even in his supposed obedience to the law, he was not doing it out of love of God...many want to brag about their 'Christian' accomplishments, or if of the OT persuasion, of their law keeping accomplishments

Jesus, after the rich young man left, said that achieving salvation through our own efforts is impossible...BUT with God, it is possible to have salvation...or eternal life

I have seen these words taken out of context so many many times...Auntie Aunt had it right way back on page 4 I think

the other thing, is that Mike here has not preached the truth since he arrived

the perspective of those who wish to defend him is way off. I have ceased participating in his threads because they are not Christian in belief and certainly not the gospel

there is nothing to defend in them.

this thread, is once again. Mike taking scripture to make a point that scripture does not make. he receives multiple negative posts in response so then he tries to turn the op into some kind of early warning system

post 207

making what Jesus said about money, is not at all the point of the conversation



there is nothing prophetic in the op...he quotes HALF of the conversation between Jesus and the rich young ruler and you are doing no better by misquoting the rest of us

 

[disciplemike]

So are you saying disciplemike that no one can enjoy the Sabbath? That they cannot do anything that brings them joy?

That instead they are to sit staring at a blank wall all day???

well, originally you said "we can do anything we want".
and I am not here to Pharisee the Sabbath,
but Scripture does say not to seek your own pleasure on the Sabbath.
I guess it would be a little up to interpretation.

 

[LaurenTM]

I really do not understand why the majority of answers are so hostile to the op. Wealth is a problem within the Church, or Jesus would not give guidelines of conscience for us to follow. No where has deciplemike said we should give away all we have, but reading the answers one would think he did.

the answers are a rebuttal to the incomplete conversation and the twist of scripture by mike to make it say what is his point...it was not and is not the point Jesus made

you are right...mike did not say give it all away..BUT he changed the meaning of what Jesus said

that's even worse

 

[disciplemike]

For we brought nothing into
[this] world, [and it is] certain we can carry nothing out. And having food and raiment let us be therewith content. But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and [into] many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.
1 Timothy 6:7-9 (KJV, MBM)

 

[MikeHenderson]

But yet you disciplemike are trying to make it your interpretation we are to follow. But you are here to Pharisee the Sabbath.

There is a big difference seeking pleasure and enjoying oneself at the Park or Beach or just riding a bicycle!

 

[LaurenTM]

For we brought nothing into
[this] world, [and it is] certain we can carry nothing out.And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and [into] many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.
1 Timothy 6:7-9 (KJV, MBM)

they that WILL be rich means those who wish to attain it

this verse has no application for the op

you cannot USE scripture to make it say what you want it to say

you have done this sort of thing from your first thread on...which is why we refute your posts for the most part

HOWEVER none of us brought anything into this world...and NONE of us have stated here what you appear to be trying to pin on us

we declare that salvation is by Jesus alone...we declare that we agree with scripture that we are made righteous by His blood...and not by our efforts a law keeping

 

[disciplemike]

But yet you disciplemike are trying to make it your interpretation we are to follow. But you are here to Pharisee the Sabbath.

There is a big difference seeking pleasure and enjoying oneself at the Park or Beach or just riding a bicycle!

if you say so brother.

 

[disciplemike]

they that WILL be rich means those who wish to attain it

this verse has no application for the op

you cannot USE scripture to make it say what you want it to say

you have done this sort of thing from your first thread on...which is why we refute your posts for the most part

The OP shows that the average worldly HOUSEHOLD income is less than $10,000.00

If you are on the internet tonight, I can almost guarantee you are in the top 10% of wealth in the world.

rich.

 

[LaurenTM]

The OP shows that the average worldly HOUSEHOLD income is less than $10,000.00

If you are on the internet tonight, I can almost guarantee you are in the top 10% of wealth in the world.

rich.

why did you leave out half of the conversation Mike?

you are playing here...so keep playing

I agree with those who have said that there is no getting any sort of straight answer out of you ...I have proved that myself several times and just now again

15 pages of your distorting, twisting and chopping up scripture AND the posts of those who question your teachings

this has become one of those useless discussions the Bible tells us not to partake of

 

[MikeHenderson]

Disciplemike has been deceived by Satan to spread lies that we were made for the Sabbath to enjoy us!

 

[disciplemike]

why did you leave out half of the conversation Mike?

you are playing here...so keep playing

I agree with those who have said that there is no getting any sort of straight answer out of you ...I have proved that myself several times and just now again

15 pages of your distorting, twisting and chopping up scripture AND the posts of those who question your teachings

this has become one of those useless discussions the Bible tells us not to partake of

you think?
ma'am. I think the foundation for the OP is solid.
it was for consideration by the richest people in the world.
including myself.
if it don't apply to you, don't worry yourself.

 

[disciplemike]

Disciplemike has been deceived by Satan to spread lies that we were made for the Sabbath to enjoy us!

actually Mr. Henderson, sir, it is an appointed time (Moed in Hebrew).
who does not want an appointed time with God?

This is why Yeshua says, "the Sabbath (appointed time) was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.
God made a special time, set apart, to meet with us.
I would think most believers would want that.

I know, I know, people will say, "I worship God every day!"

 

[MikeHenderson]

But disciplemike you are judging others because you feel you are better then them. Its all about how others MUST follow your teachings or fear the wrath of Hell Fire from God.

You are not God. You do not have a Love for your Brothers in Christ. You need to seek out compassion from God. You need to back away from playing god to actually allow God to use you in a constructed way to build up the Body of Believers.

 

[disciplemike]

But disciplemike you are judging others because you feel you are better then them. Its all about how others MUST follow your teachings or fear the wrath of Hell Fire from God.

You are not God. You do not have a Love for your Brothers in Christ. You need to seek out compassion from God. You need to back away from playing god to actually allow God to use you in a constructed way to build up the Body of Believers.

sir, if you will read back through this entire thread, and tell me who is really being judged.
I didn't make the Sabbath.
I have not told anyone they were going to hell fire.
I have not asked or demanded that anyone follow my teachings.
It would be helpful if you didn't make up garbage, sir.

 

[MikeHenderson]

But you do mock them disciplemike. How can you say you Love God and show hate for your Brothers not accepting what you teach?

 

[posthuman]

The OP shows that the average worldly HOUSEHOLD income is less than $10,000.00

Here's a novel idea:

Thank God that He has blessed me to be born in a land where many of our 'poor' are richer than the average person in the world!

Thank God who has richly provided for us so many things we take for granted!

Bless the Lord, who cares for us and who has chosen us who live in the 1st world, to live here, and to share in its benefits -- which He has not done to curse us, but for our good, because He loves us!

& this is not as though He loves others less, because as the scripture says, the brother in humble circumstance should be also glad for the high position God has placed Him in, because he will remember God's benefits more easily than we.

Praise the Lord for His wisdom and for His charity towards us!
Jah Jireh, He provides!