The Image of God

followjesus · Nov 14, 2016

In the gospels i see it here

john 8:12"When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."

matthew 5:14-16 “You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. 15Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven."

Just one example of several

Jesus is Gods Son...we who believe are Gods children.

Jesus is a light to the World, we are a liught to the world.

most clearly i see it here

john 14:20-24 "On that day you will realize that I AM IN MY FATHER, and YOU ARE IN ME, and I AM IN YOU. 21Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”22Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, “But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?”23Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them. 24Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me."

Jesus is Gods image, we are called nto the gospel through Grace to obey it and learn to be like Him, through accepting Him as The Lord. it truly is a learning process we dont Just get baptized and now were transformed....Like Jesus says we Learn from Him, trust His mercy, His wisdom, His guidance, His truth His power. when we make the decision " Im not good enough, I need to learn from Jesus" and commit to Him as the Lord.........We will never fail though we may fall...He will catch us every time Just like peter. we lose faith sometimes but in that we call out to Jesus and Hell always be right there...its commitment Like he made to us

BeyondET · Nov 14, 2016

followjesus said:

In the gospels i see it here

john 8:12"When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."

matthew 5:14-16 “You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. 15Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven."

Just one example of several

Jesus is Gods Son...we who believe are Gods children.

Jesus is a light to the World, we are a liught to the world.

most clearly i see it here

john 14:20-24 "On that day you will realize that I AM IN MY FATHER, and YOU ARE IN ME, and I AM IN YOU. 21Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”22Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, “But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?”23Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them. 24Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me."

Jesus is Gods image, we are called nto the gospel through Grace to obey it and learn to be like Him, through accepting Him as The Lord. it truly is a learning process we dont Just get baptized and now were transformed....Like Jesus says we Learn from Him, trust His mercy, His wisdom, His guidance, His truth His power. when we make the decision " Im not good enough, I need to learn from Jesus" and commit to Him as the Lord.........We will never fail though we may fall...He will catch us every time Just like peter. we lose faith sometimes but in that we call out to Jesus and Hell always be right there...its commitment Like he made to us

So from this does this mean Jesus was the image of God and man was the likeness of God?

followjesus · Nov 14, 2016

p_rehbein said:

you know how we tend to say " were only human, no ones perfect" thats the image of adam. humans are corrupt by nature. many of us are on the good side of sinners and others on the bad side of sinners...but whether we lied , stole, lusted in our heart ect....all of us have that image of human kind. our nature is that of adam who was deceived by the serpent, through eve Knowing good and evil and desiring both to some extent. The gospel is the cure for that disease and the possibility of dying to the first and being born into the new is made possible through Christ and His ministry.

followjesus · Nov 14, 2016

BeyondET said:

the first man adam was made good, He was the image of God. Adam then sinned, God does not sin, at this moment adam fell from Gods image. everyione born from adam and eve are born with the knowledge of good and also evil, a desire for evil is in us all some it is a strong desire, others it is faint but all are sinners from birth Just because were human beings, we are mankind...adamkind. adam LOST the image of God, and with it, the right to eat from the tree of Life. Jesus came to fix the issue caused by adam.

romans5:12-19 "Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man ( adam), and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—13To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law. 14Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who is a pattern of the one to come.15But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! 16Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification. 17For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!18Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people. 19For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

followjesus · Nov 14, 2016

BeyondET said:

naw the point of that is the same in the op. Jesus is the only image of God we Have to learn who God is, what He is Like, what His will is. and WE are called to be like jesus. most of us understand Jesus is Gods image, some call Him God, others Gods Son. either way, He is Just Like God in every way. WE are called through the gospel, to be Like Jesus in Our own Lives. if were Like Jesus, then we are created in Gods Image meaning Our actions, not our physical appearance, but how we Live. How we treat other people in need. whether or not we Judge others for thier sin and expect forgiveness for ours, all the stuff Jesus taught in His ministry to follow those ways makes a person Like Jesus. to walk in His ways, is to clothe ourselves with Him, it is to imitate God as were taught. to simply follow Jesus and trust His grace and mercy. were copies of Jesus in training really. and the conformation to His image is found in hearing Him and accepting it as the truth that will lead to thinking right, believing right and ultimately doing right. and not begrudgingly, but it changes our nature from adam to christ.

p_rehbein · Nov 14, 2016

followjesus said:

THAT!

Is where I stop caring about this.............JESUS IS GOD! Not just His image, not just "JUST LIKE GOD," HE IS GOD!

Methinks that is where you are getting confused with all of this "image" stuff.

It surely seems that you are demoting Jesus to being "less than God," and, to do that, is to deny Jesus, and to deny Jesus is to deny God.

p_rehbein · Nov 14, 2016

followjesus said:

That's.......

a better answer...........and, to a point, I agree..........however........being created in the image of God has nothing to do with what you are trying to associate/identify it with.

Consider what God IS?

Consider what Man IS?

When you find the common denominator, you will see what the "image" of God is that we are created in.

Again, to repeat what I said in the previous comment:

JESUS IS GOD!

Saying Jesus is the "image" of God is like saying you are the "image" of you..........that make sense to you?

Zmouth · Nov 14, 2016

p_rehbein said:

So if the eternal God is a body of light which the scriptures declare that no man has seen nor can see then the Son too would be an eternal body of light which no man has seen nor can see?

So if an good tree bring forth good fruit, then would an eternal tree bring forth eternal fruit? How could the eternal tree bring forth an eternal fruit since the eternal has no beginning nor end of existence, so if the eternal tree brings forth a fruit it would have a beginning, therefore it would not be eternal. Hence it is written, 1 Tim 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

But the same precept is written in John 5:26 "For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;" Thus in John 8:42, "Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me." Which one might consider the verse in John 6:46, "Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father."
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: Col 1:15-16

followjesus · Nov 15, 2016

p_rehbein said:

why deny what the scriptures say? why deny Gods own testimony? did God Lie when He said " This is my Son, with whom I am well pleased, listen to Him?" Jesus is Gods Son, thats what the scriptures say, its more on the person to accept whats there. does the bible ever say what we are to actually believe aboput Jesus?

1 john 5:1-5 "Everyone who believes that JESUS IS THE CHRIST is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well. 2This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands. 3In fact, this is love for God: to keep his commands. And his commands are not burdensome, 4for everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. 5Who is it that overcomes the world? Only the one who believes that JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD."

God is spirit, do you suggest that Jesus wasnt flesh and blood? There is no teaching in the bible that teaches that Jesus Christ, is God the Father. yet the vast amounts do teach that He is Gods Son. That He is the image of God, made flesh, in order to reveal the invisible God who is spirit and cannot be seen, even by those who saw His transfiguration. They beheld Jesus glory, it is the glory of Gods Son. Jesus was visible, God the Father is invisible and cannot be seen by any man, Only the One who came from God has seen God. its not wrong to say Jesus is God, because God Has said " He will be called God" its a very common misteaching that Jesus is the Father, yet God Himself has said at Jesus baptism and transfiguration " this is my Son" the faith of a christian Has to be that Jesus is the Christ, the son of God. I can show you the scriptures...but you probably already have seen them My Faith is no and always will remain Jesus is Gods Son. more evidence?

james 1:13 "When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone;"

God cannot be tempted, Jesus was tempted by satan. Jesus is the Christ which means the annointed One of God. He is the prophet foretold by Moses who would speak Gods Word. again do you suppose God can die? being the source of existance Himself? Jesus certainly died, and was raised again by the command He received from God the Father. again why is Jesus seated at Gods right Hand rather than Just teaching Jesus is the Father, why are we taught that He is Gods Son? Jesus Has all authority given to Him by God, He has been given the title By God, as Lord of All. But God the Father is spirit and cannot be seen. Thatds the point that Jesus is His exact re[presentation On earth. because that is the only way man can see opr understand God, by Looking at Jesus Christ, His only begotten Son, who is again

hebrews 1:3 "The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven."

He is the radiatiance of Gods glory, JUST LIKE we are called to be the radiance of the glory of Christ. the gospel is about Bringing fallen man, BACK into the image of God. we have the image of God in Jesus Christ who was seen plainly and still can be seen by those who believe Him. to understand Jesus, is to have an understanding of God the Father. some other scriptures for you to consider, if you wish, if not, thats okay also.

1 corinthains 15 :24-28 "Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27For he “has put everything under his feet.”[SUP]c[/SUP]Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all."

clearly Jesus is the Son annointed By God, and in time He the Son will hand all authority Back to God the Father, who currently is reigning through His Son. He is the image of God, because He is begotten of the Holy spirit. God is the spirit, Jesus is His servant, His apostle, His Son, His High prophet, He has been Given the name Son of God, By God His Father.

Jesus was tempted, God cannot be. God said Hiomself at baptism and transfiguration "This is my Son" Peters confession when Jesus asked who do you say I am?

matthew 16:16-17 "Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ the Son of the living God.”17Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven."

This is the confession approved By Jesus, By God, By the apostles. It is what John says we must believe in order to overcome the world. first He says "Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, (1 john 5:1) then He says "Who is it that overcomes the world? Only the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God." (1 john 5:5) I cant find the teaching that says " Jesus is God, unless you believe that, your in the wrong" obviously a person can take obscure scripture and make anything seem right. My point is that there is a clear and consistant teaching about Who Jesus is. "He is the Christ, the Son of Living God" thats what christians are actually taught to believe, in the scripture.

sorry to you and others who always disagree, im always open to " correction" but only when someone can find what they are saying clearly taught in scripture. I will now and always will choose scripture. that is the only place I will accept correction, ive learned that when someones idea, conflicts with scripture...I will stick to Gods corrections, and never trust the understanding of doctrines that obviously went astray from the word. to be clear

calling Jesus God is appropriate, Faith that saves and overcomes the world tells us that He is the Christ, and the Son of God. God is His Father, He is Gods Son and the promised Christ.

colossians 1:15 "The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation."

if God was the firstborn over all creation....who created creation? God is the creator and Has no beginning or end, No birth, death, No flesh and blood. God is spirit, He Lived in Jesus and spoke through Jesus, His Son. He gives us a way to see who God is, what God is Like, what Gods will is for man, in the end Jesus will Hand the Kingdom to the Father and all enemies of God will be gone. Ther is One God, One Son of God, and the spirit Binds them together, as it does all believers in Jesus Christ, Gods Only begotten Son.

followjesus · Nov 15, 2016

Zmouth said:

Good stuff.

2 corinthians 4:4 "The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers so they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God."

He is Gods image so that we who cannot see God, may see His glory in the face of Christ, His only begotten Son. As I have always said " it is not wrong or an error to say that He is God, because God has said He will be called God. He also is Given the name" immanuel" which means God with us. The Son is the image of the Father, an exact representation of who He is, what He desires, what He said. because without the Son, man was blind to Gods nature and image. Just as the promise was made to abraham, and then carried through His descendants isaac and Jacob all the way down the Line to Jesus....the same concept can be understood when dealing with whether Jesus is the Father, or son, and being the same as The Father. clearly the bible teaches there is a Father, who is God alone, and there is TheSon, who ius His exact representation to mankind. He is not "less than God" as was suggested " i said" yet He will be subject to God when He returns the Kingdom to God the Father, even Jesus will be subject to Gods eternal authority.

1 corinthians 15:28 "When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all."

so really in the end, Jesus is recognized as subject to the Father, as He ALWAYS said He was even on earth, and then later in Heaven it is shown by the fact that Jesus is seated at Gods right Hand showing His subjection to God the Father and representing the clarity that Jesus and the Father are Father and Son, rather than father and father. God has Made Jesus equal in mans sight, in order to save us through Him, when all is done, Jesus will be praised as worthy, and will Himself be the hero of Gods story for our salvation.

Zmouth · Nov 16, 2016

followjesus said:

Since you are referring unto Isaiah 9:6 wherein it is written, "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace" then would that be Augustus who was emperor of Rome whose government ruled over the lands of Canaan?

And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
Matthew 15:16

[SUP]9[/SUP] And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. [SUP]10 [/SUP]Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ. (Matthew 23)

Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?

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Matthew 15:17

And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.
Mark 12:32-33

Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
Dan 2:20-23
And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Hail Ceasar!???
Mark 12:34
If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.
But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them,
Shall I crucify your King? The chief priest answered, We have no king but Caesar.
John 19:15

followjesus said:

So if the God the Father, even Jesus will be subject to God's eternal authority how about the Holy Spirit?
Where they crucified him, and two other with him, on either side one, and Jesus in the midst.
Now unto the King eternal, immortal , invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
1 Tim 1:17

For the LORD is a great God, and a great King above all gods.

oPs 95:3

followjesus · Nov 29, 2016

Zmouth said:

So if the God the Father, even Jesus will be subject to God's eternal authority how about the Holy Spirit?

1 corinthians 15:24-28 "Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25For he must reign UNTIL he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27For he “has put everything under his feet.”[SUP]c[/SUP]Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, WHO PUT EVERYTHING UNDER CHRIST. 28When he has done this, then the SON HIMSELF will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all."

the holy spirit? the holy spirit is who Jesus promised to send when He reached the throne at Gods right Hand. God is spirit, the holy spirit is " our new breath of Life, it is what makes us born of God." the holy spirit is what unites us to Jesus, Jesus is united with God by the same holy spirit.

john 14:15-24 "“If you love me, keep my commands. 16And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be[SUP]c[/SUP] in you. 18I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. 20On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. 21Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”22Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, “But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?”23Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them. 24Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me."

Jesus is one with God, those who bel;ieve in Jesus are one with Him, and because He is one with God, so are we. thats the role of the holy spirit. the holy spirit is birth as a child of God, it makes us one with Jesus, and therefore One with God, because Jesus is already One with Him by spirit. the holy spirit is Gods spirit, Jesus spirit and the spirit of those who believe in Jesus. it is what connects us to Him, and also to one another. the trinity seems to teach. God who is divided into three parts Father, Son and holy spirit.. There is One God and Father of all, even of Jesus who is His only begotten. the holy spirit comes to those who believe in Jesus, who accept His words because.. God the Father, Jesus His Son, who gives His spirit to the hearts of those who have faith in Him. Notice in revelation there are constant references to God, and to the Lamb. where is the holy spirit? He lives in us, it is Gods presence with us, in us through the name of His Son. it is the same spirit that was in Jesus, when Jesus was exalted to the throne, he sent His spirit to those who believe and still does. God is One, Jesus is His Only Son. and the holy spirit unoites us with God through Jesus.

adam died spirtually because of sin, Jesus retores that spirtual Life by giving a new spirit that is not defiled, the spirit of truth, the spirit of holiness, the spirit of God in us. His children as all children are filled with thier fathers spirit.

followjesus · Nov 29, 2016

Zmouth said:

Since you are referring unto Isaiah 9:6 wherein it is written, "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace" then would that be Augustus who was emperor of Rome whose government ruled over the lands of Canaan?

And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
Matthew 15:16

[SUP]9[/SUP] And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. [SUP]10 [/SUP]Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ. (Matthew 23)

Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?

.

Matthew 15:17

And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.
Mark 12:32-33

Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
Dan 2:20-23
And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Hail Ceasar!???
Mark 12:34
If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.
But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them,
Shall I crucify your King? The chief priest answered, We have no king but Caesar.
John 19:15

So if the God the Father, even Jesus will be subject to God's eternal authority how about the Holy Spirit?
Where they crucified him, and two other with him, on either side one, and Jesus in the midst.
Now unto the King eternal, immortal , invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
1 Tim 1:17

For the LORD is a great God, and a great King above all gods.

oPs 95:3

Since you are referring unto Isaiah 9:6 wherein it is written, "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace" then would that be Augustus who was emperor of Rome whose government ruled over the lands of Canaan?

I have no knowledge or understanding of this subject but find it interesting to say the least. i think i may study on this one, and invite you to speak to me on it since you sem to have some knowledge pertaining to it.

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