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Keep has to do with the heart and one sees this by looking at the difference between keep and do in the greek.
We could do one of the 10 commandments grudgingly, and our heart be far from God. It matters that our heart be circumcised by His working.
Am thinking of the honor our parents that our days be long.
We could do one of the 10 commandments grudgingly, and our heart be far from God. It matters that our heart be circumcised by His working.
Am thinking of the honor our parents that our days be long.
I am so glad you printed those verses in Ezekiel. Did you notice that this speaks of the new covenant made with Israel and Judah, not with the gentiles. There is no covenant with us since the one in Noah's time. In Isaiah 56 you find what we are to do o be adopted by the Lord, but as in all scripture it is back to the Hebrews.
Christ is God, His ways cannot be separated out. Christ was from the beginning. God turns away from us when we sin.
The one time in scripture there is the word "obsolete" it is being played up to get rid of anything the gentiles think they don't want to do. It is a crime!!! Calling something new does not make all promises made before a new promise obsolete. That makes no sense. Christ replaced many symbols of Him--blood, priesthood, temple, giving the Holy Spirit freely to our hearts, many things. If we won't listen to the Lord explain to us all about the symbols we aren't going to be able to truly understand Christ who completed and made perfect. \
So we disagree about our purpose because we don't study scripture.
Christ is God, His ways cannot be separated out. Christ was from the beginning. God turns away from us when we sin.
The one time in scripture there is the word "obsolete" it is being played up to get rid of anything the gentiles think they don't want to do. It is a crime!!! Calling something new does not make all promises made before a new promise obsolete. That makes no sense. Christ replaced many symbols of Him--blood, priesthood, temple, giving the Holy Spirit freely to our hearts, many things. If we won't listen to the Lord explain to us all about the symbols we aren't going to be able to truly understand Christ who completed and made perfect. \
So we disagree about our purpose because we don't study scripture.
Sorry but i have not read of promises being made obsolete and i did not invent the verse regarding division in the church. I pray for God's guidance for us. New International Version 1984 Hebrews 1:1-3 “n the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe. The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.
Hebrews 9:15,26,28 For this reason CHRIST IS THE MEDIATOR OF A NEW COVENANTt, that those who are CALLED may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant. Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But NOW he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself. so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him
Hebrews 9:15,26,28 For this reason CHRIST IS THE MEDIATOR OF A NEW COVENANTt, that those who are CALLED may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant. Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But NOW he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself. so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him
All of this we must put within our hearts, but not to the exclusion of all other truths.
Christ is God, Christ cannot be separated from the Father. What God spoke of through the prophets is also true, and sometimes knowing these things and understanding them gives us a basis for understanding Christ.
The new covenant was put in our hearts, but the old one was also true. There has never, ever, been a time that God gave a human power for his own salvation. It has ALWAYS been through the blood of Christ, although it was through the symbol of the blood of Christ until Christ lived and died in our kind of time.
The Lord gave us an explanation of the new covenant in Ezekiel, the Lord explained how it was opened up to gentiles in Isaiah 56 and what we are required to do. The OT was the only scripture until well after Christ, and the Lord expects us to know that scripture. Through this we can understand the new scripture given us. This new scripture shows us to go to the OT so we understand, for a large percent of it is repeating the OT for us.
You are correct to copy scripture, but if it is the only scripture you know and go by, then you cannot possibly understand the Lord. You cannot read the conclusion of any book to learn its beginning.
Christ is God, Christ cannot be separated from the Father. What God spoke of through the prophets is also true, and sometimes knowing these things and understanding them gives us a basis for understanding Christ.
The new covenant was put in our hearts, but the old one was also true. There has never, ever, been a time that God gave a human power for his own salvation. It has ALWAYS been through the blood of Christ, although it was through the symbol of the blood of Christ until Christ lived and died in our kind of time.
The Lord gave us an explanation of the new covenant in Ezekiel, the Lord explained how it was opened up to gentiles in Isaiah 56 and what we are required to do. The OT was the only scripture until well after Christ, and the Lord expects us to know that scripture. Through this we can understand the new scripture given us. This new scripture shows us to go to the OT so we understand, for a large percent of it is repeating the OT for us.
You are correct to copy scripture, but if it is the only scripture you know and go by, then you cannot possibly understand the Lord. You cannot read the conclusion of any book to learn its beginning.
I have a totally different view as I said before. We are all one body, but none of us are the same as far as our understanding of scripture, what we've heard preached, and what we have experiences in life and with God.
There are different administrations....Paul said this of His one body, none are all the hand, or the eye....we are called to different places.
Our commonality is what we believe Jesus died for. Unity is of the knowledge of Him. His sacrificial blood redeemed us from our sin nature and the power of it.
There are different administrations....Paul said this of His one body, none are all the hand, or the eye....we are called to different places.
Our commonality is what we believe Jesus died for. Unity is of the knowledge of Him. His sacrificial blood redeemed us from our sin nature and the power of it.
Well, I sure didn't mean anything when I posted those two verses . . . LOL! I was just responding with scripture as to our purpose.
When I think of "keep his commandments" - I think of the two great commandments: Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength and Love others as you love yourself . . . and of course, to "keep" commandments would be to "do" them.
Yes, our heart attitude is very important for there are unbelievers who have a moral sense and do great things.
When I think of "keep his commandments" - I think of the two great commandments: Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength and Love others as you love yourself . . . and of course, to "keep" commandments would be to "do" them.
Yes, our heart attitude is very important for there are unbelievers who have a moral sense and do great things.
New International Version 1984 2 Timothy 3:16-17 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
Galatians 3:7-9,26-29 Understand, then, that those who believe are children of Abraham. The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the GOSPEL in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.” So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith. You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
“Meaningless! Meaningless!” says the Teacher. “Everything is meaningless!” Be warned, my son, of anything in addition to them. Of making many books there is no end, and MUCH STUDY WEARIES THE BODY . Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil.( Ecclesiastes 12:8,12-14
Galatians 3:7-9,26-29 Understand, then, that those who believe are children of Abraham. The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the GOSPEL in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.” So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith. You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
“Meaningless! Meaningless!” says the Teacher. “Everything is meaningless!” Be warned, my son, of anything in addition to them. Of making many books there is no end, and MUCH STUDY WEARIES THE BODY . Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil.( Ecclesiastes 12:8,12-14
As servants, our purpose according to our master is to OBEY his commands. As sons, it is to OBEY our Father. As men, it is to OBEY our Creator. As Christians, it is to obey our God.Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?(romans 9:21-33)
You turn things upside down, as if the potter were thought to be like the clay! Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, “He did not make me”? Can the pot say of the potter, “He knows nothing”?isaiah 29:16) Yet, O Lord, you are our Father. We are the clay, you are the potter; we are all the work of your hand.(isaiah 64:8)
For God has bound all men over to DISOBEDIENCE so that he may have MERCY on them all.(romans 11:28-32) because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. mercy triumphs over judgment!(james 2:13)
You turn things upside down, as if the potter were thought to be like the clay! Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, “He did not make me”? Can the pot say of the potter, “He knows nothing”?isaiah 29:16) Yet, O Lord, you are our Father. We are the clay, you are the potter; we are all the work of your hand.(isaiah 64:8)
For God has bound all men over to DISOBEDIENCE so that he may have MERCY on them all.(romans 11:28-32) because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. mercy triumphs over judgment!(james 2:13)
We are given different talents, but we are each to know the true God.
I think you are right, that going to the Lord for forgiveness is absolutely necessary, and scripture tells us there is no forgiveness without blood. Knowing who Christ is seems to be the problem. For the first years after Christ was crucified there wasn't a problem, but it came up soon after. Christ is God and Christ is not a new God with a new covenant of different principles. Christ is from the beginning. To know what is new in Christ it is necessary to learn what the old was that He changed, and what symbols Christ was the subject of. By knowing Christ made many things new, our churches today say Christ is different from God. Christ isn't.
I think you are right, that going to the Lord for forgiveness is absolutely necessary, and scripture tells us there is no forgiveness without blood. Knowing who Christ is seems to be the problem. For the first years after Christ was crucified there wasn't a problem, but it came up soon after. Christ is God and Christ is not a new God with a new covenant of different principles. Christ is from the beginning. To know what is new in Christ it is necessary to learn what the old was that He changed, and what symbols Christ was the subject of. By knowing Christ made many things new, our churches today say Christ is different from God. Christ isn't.
You have made a good point. Disunity does seem to be centered around the fact that Jesus is Lord. But, it was the problem from the beginning. Remember how many followed Him until He acknowledged He was God? They left, and He turned to His disciples and asked them if they were leaving too.
I do think that His purpose for us all would be the same, I agree with you there. Paul said, or I think it was Paul, that He purposed to bring many Sons to glory. That one thing should be our goal, IMO. Getting there though may be different for us all though. What say ye?
I made this thread really as a way to get to know who I was chatting with here.
I do think that His purpose for us all would be the same, I agree with you there. Paul said, or I think it was Paul, that He purposed to bring many Sons to glory. That one thing should be our goal, IMO. Getting there though may be different for us all though. What say ye?
I made this thread really as a way to get to know who I was chatting with here.
Am curious to ask everyone their thoughts on what the purpose of our life is to be after our new birth?
Debating doctrine?
Debating doctrine?
When we come to God what we are learning is how to love perfectly,which our purpose is to love,so people will in turn come to God,and be saved,and love,for it is love that they will respond to come to the truth,for you can persecute people to get them to confess,but they are only doing so to save their skin.
Our purpose is to show the love of God.
Jas_1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
God said this is pure religion.
Psalm 86: 9All nations whom You have made shall come and worship before You, O Lord,
And they shall glorify Your name.
Our purpose is to love, worship, glorify, and magnify the Lord. If anyone isn't convinced, look here at these verses.
Rev 5: 11Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne and the living creatures and the elders; and the number of them was myriads of myriads, and thousands of thousands, 12saying with a loud voice,[TABLE]
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[TD]“Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing.”
13And every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying, “To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever.”[/TD]
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Rev 7:9After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands; 10and they cry out with a loud voice, saying,
“Salvation to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb.” 11And all the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures; and they fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God,12saying,
“Amen, blessing and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving and honor and power and might, be to our God forever and ever. Amen.”
And they shall glorify Your name.
Our purpose is to love, worship, glorify, and magnify the Lord. If anyone isn't convinced, look here at these verses.
Rev 5: 11Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne and the living creatures and the elders; and the number of them was myriads of myriads, and thousands of thousands, 12saying with a loud voice,[TABLE]
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[TD]“Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing.”
13And every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying, “To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever.”[/TD]
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Rev 7:9After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands; 10and they cry out with a loud voice, saying,
“Salvation to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb.” 11And all the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures; and they fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God,12saying,
“Amen, blessing and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving and honor and power and might, be to our God forever and ever. Amen.”
I BELIEVE THAT GOD'S GRACE IS SUFFICIENT FOR ME(2 COR 12:9-10)
Ephesians 2:13-22 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ. For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace, and in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit. Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God’s people and members of God’s household, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.
Ephesians 2:13-22 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ. For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace, and in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit. Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God’s people and members of God’s household, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.
. Getting there though may be different for us all though. What say ye?
I made this thread really as a way to get to know who I was chatting with here.
I made this thread really as a way to get to know who I was chatting with here.
In the OT there is a passage saying that there is no atonement except through blood. God never gave people the power to give themselves forgiveness, it was always through God's grace, and Christ. For over 4,000 years it was only the symbolic blood of Christ and Christ made it perfect at His crucifixion. But I think it is an unbreakable rule that we are saved only through our awareness of Christ, everyone must go to Him.
Again it is wonderful scripture you give us to read. Isn't it strange that the customs of the Jews created a dividing wall? Constantine often made the statement that history records over and over "if the Jews did it, we must not".
Through Christ the curtain in the temple was split at His crucifixion and Jew and gentile are united in Christ instead of being separated by what the Jews called the law of Moses but was Jewish customs given them for their help.
Through Christ the curtain in the temple was split at His crucifixion and Jew and gentile are united in Christ instead of being separated by what the Jews called the law of Moses but was Jewish customs given them for their help.
I wasn't speaking of the one way of receiving forgiveness from the Lord. I mean't different ways of becoming aware that we need Him. Some may have a tragedy of life, others hear a sermon preached, that kind of thing.
Only His Blood is our redemption, amen. But, obedience is to believe the gospel and receive for self. Not obey rules.
Only His Blood is our redemption, amen. But, obedience is to believe the gospel and receive for self. Not obey rules.
1 Timothy 3:16 Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: He appeared in a body, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory.
1 Corinthians 11:3 Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
Galatians 3:20 A mediator, however, does not represent just one party; but God is one.
John 10:30,35-38 I and the Father are one.” If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and the Scripture cannot be broken— what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does... John 14:7,9-10 If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.” Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
the Father is in me, and I in the Father.”
1 Corinthians 6:17 But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit.
2 Corinthians 5:16 So from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer.
WE BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD AND IS THEREFORE GOD. THE APOSTLES ARE HIS WITNESSES AND THEY RECEIVED FROM HIM THIS GREAT COMMISSION: Matthew 28:19-20 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to OBEY everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
STEPHEN A MAN OF FAITH AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT NARRATED IN ACTS CHAPTER SEVEN, ESSENTIAL TRUTHS FROM THE OT WHICH MAKES THE NT A COMPLETE BOOK IN ITSELF. THE OT CAN BE CONSIDERED AS A SACRED REFERENCE OR HISTORY BOOK FOR CHRISTIANS (2tim3:15-17) WITHOUT NEGLECTING ITS TRUTH (john17:17)
LASTLY, Romans 5:19 For just as through the DISOBEDIENCE of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the OBEDIENCE of the one man the many will be made righteous. “FOR THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH”(rom 6:23) and those who are dead are vain & without a purpose. OBEDIENCE leads to RIGHTEOUSNESS that leads to HOLINESS and the result is ETERNAL LIFE(rom 6:16,19,22). Jesus came to (obey) do the will of God (heb 5:8-9 & 10:9) so if we are a part of His body, would you have a purpose different from Jesus’?
1 Corinthians 11:3 Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
Galatians 3:20 A mediator, however, does not represent just one party; but God is one.
John 10:30,35-38 I and the Father are one.” If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and the Scripture cannot be broken— what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does... John 14:7,9-10 If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.” Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
the Father is in me, and I in the Father.”
1 Corinthians 6:17 But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit.
2 Corinthians 5:16 So from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer.
WE BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD AND IS THEREFORE GOD. THE APOSTLES ARE HIS WITNESSES AND THEY RECEIVED FROM HIM THIS GREAT COMMISSION: Matthew 28:19-20 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to OBEY everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
STEPHEN A MAN OF FAITH AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT NARRATED IN ACTS CHAPTER SEVEN, ESSENTIAL TRUTHS FROM THE OT WHICH MAKES THE NT A COMPLETE BOOK IN ITSELF. THE OT CAN BE CONSIDERED AS A SACRED REFERENCE OR HISTORY BOOK FOR CHRISTIANS (2tim3:15-17) WITHOUT NEGLECTING ITS TRUTH (john17:17)
LASTLY, Romans 5:19 For just as through the DISOBEDIENCE of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the OBEDIENCE of the one man the many will be made righteous. “FOR THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH”(rom 6:23) and those who are dead are vain & without a purpose. OBEDIENCE leads to RIGHTEOUSNESS that leads to HOLINESS and the result is ETERNAL LIFE(rom 6:16,19,22). Jesus came to (obey) do the will of God (heb 5:8-9 & 10:9) so if we are a part of His body, would you have a purpose different from Jesus’?