"replacement theology" - what is it?

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please tell me when I ever said they were saved?
Your whole argument is that the flesh descendants are the children of God, the children of the promise, God's chosen people.... because their FLESH is JEWISH. Did I get this wrong, do you not believe flesh Israel is God's chosen people?
 
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You're not trying to say the new covenant with Israel happens in the millenium are you? Those verses you quoted are about the first coming of Christ.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more".

at no time in the history of mankind has this been true of any nation, Let alone the nation of Israel. so to try to force this into the first advent would be a huge mistake.
 
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SO you have never read lev 26, and how flesh Isreal can profit (in this lifetime) from being obedient to Gods law?

of course, that means nothing about a person getting to heaven, Never had meant that, Lev 26 is not about eternal salvation. Nor is ROmans 11 or all the other OT prophecies concerning physical Israel.


In the parables that use the phrase eating of the flesh, or drinking of the blood, the spiritual understanding must be sought out .

The Leviticus 26 offering .

And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat.And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you. Lev 26:2
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To drink the blood of Christ is a way of saying Christ gave His Spirit life in jeopardy of His own Spirit life.

God is Spirit and not a man as us. Christ said of His own flesh it profits for nothing. It is the Spirit of Christ that does quicken ours souls giving us His understanding.

Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
 

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Sitting here watching obama's treacherous secretary of state stab Israel in the back and curse those we are to bless, I am literally fearful the Lord's patience has worn thin for America.

Dear Holy Father, I pray for the peace of Jerusalem, and beseech thee that there are many still here in America that love Your people, and stand by them. For their sake, for my children's sake, I ask You to have mercy on us, and ask that Jan 20th get here before Your Hand strikes.

In Jesus sweet Name I pray.
 
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Your whole argument is that the flesh descendants are the children of God, the children of the promise, God's chosen people.... because their FLESH is JEWISH. Did I get this wrong, do you not believe flesh Israel is God's chosen people?

lol.. Your trying to force me to say something I never said.

That is YOUR ARGUMENT against me, I have never made such a comment.


so please. Either show where I ever said flesh descendents of Israel will be saved by their bloodline, Or stop with the slander.
 
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In the parables that use the phrase eating of the flesh, or drinking of the blood, the spiritual understanding must be sought out .

The Leviticus 26 offering .

And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat.And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you. Lev 26:2
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To drink the blood of Christ is a way of saying Christ gave His Spirit life in jeopardy of His own Spirit life.

God is Spirit and not a man as us. Christ said of His own flesh it profits for nothing. It is the Spirit of Christ that does quicken ours souls giving us His understanding.

Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
what does 1 verse in a whole chapter have to do with the whole chapter?

Did God not promise Isreal peace in their land, and rest from their battles, and plenty of food for their families in THEIR OWN LAND if they followed Gods commands or did he not?

And while your at it, Can you tell me how this had ANYTHING to do with 1 PERSON entering heaven for all eternity?

 
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Sitting here watching obama's treacherous secretary of state stab Israel in the back and curse those we are to bless, I am literally fearful the Lord's patience has worn thin for America.

Dear Holy Father, I pray for the peace of Jerusalem, and beseech thee that there are many still here in America that love Your people, and stand by them. For their sake, for my children's sake, I ask You to have mercy on us, and ask that Jan 20th get here before Your Hand strikes.

In Jesus sweet Name I pray.
We are not to bless God hating Christ killing people!

Genesis 12:1-3 KJV
Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee: [2] And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: [3] And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

This is not the FLESH DESCENDANTS, this is the children of promise... the exact opposite of the flesh descendants that you're trying to idolize.
 
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lol.. Your trying to force me to say something I never said.

That is YOUR ARGUMENT against me, I have never made such a comment.


so please. Either show where I ever said flesh descendents of Israel will be saved by their bloodline, Or stop with the slander.
Simple question, do you believe God's chosen people are the flesh descendants of Abraham and Israel?
 
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We are not to bless God hating Christ killing people!

Genesis 12:1-3 KJV
Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee: [2] And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: [3] And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

This is not the FLESH DESCENDANTS, this is the children of promise... the exact opposite of the flesh descendants that you're trying to idolize.
oh boy,

[SUP]28 [/SUP]Concerning the gospelthey are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers.

the term "they" refers to the same people.

Can you express your HATRED for a group of people any clearer than you are doing now?

I pray for peace in the middle east, FROM BOTH PARTIES.. I would be a fool to think it will come to fruition though, Becase as Jesus always said, It is not time yet.
 
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Simple question, do you believe God's chosen people are the flesh descendants of Abraham and Israel?
Chosen according to what context?

Give it up,, You might be able to fool yourself. But your not going to fool others with this nonsensical line of reasoning.
 
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what does 1 verse in a whole chapter have to do with the whole chapter?

Did God not promise Isreal peace in their land, and rest from their battles,
and plenty of food for their families in THEIR OWN LAND if they followed Gods commands or did he not?

And while your at it, Can you tell me how this had ANYTHING to do with 1 PERSON entering heaven for all eternity?

That's the old covenant and God did bring them back into the lnad he promised to Israel when they obeyed him. That covenenant is done, Israel is under the new covenant and eligible for all the blessings given to Abraham through Christ IF they accept Christ.
 
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Chosen according to what context?

Give it up,, You might be able to fool yourself. But your not going to fool others with this nonsensical line of reasoning.
There is no context, God only has ONE chosen people... ABRAHAM'S SEED.
 
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oh boy,

[SUP]28 [/SUP]Concerning the gospelthey are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers.

the term "they" refers to the same people.

Can you express your HATRED for a group of people any clearer than you are doing now?

I pray for peace in the middle east, FROM BOTH PARTIES.. I would be a fool to think it will come to fruition though, Becase as Jesus always said, It is not time yet.
The ELECTION is beloved, the rest are enemies of the gospel. Here again your misunderstanding of who God's elect are is blinding you to the truth. The FLESH CHILDREN are ENEMIES of the gospel, the children of the PROMISE are the elect... 2 polar opposite entities.
 
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34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more".

at no time in the history of mankind has this been true of any nation, Let alone the nation of Israel. so to try to force this into the first advent would be a huge mistake.
The Jeremiah verse was a promise that would take effect at the time of reformation. Reformations restore to another time period .This is a time when there was no outward representation used as shadows and types. Most likely the time of Judges.

The Jews act as if the reformation had not come .

The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:Which was a parable for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them "until the time of reformation".Heb 9:10

Reformation not replacement
 
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Romans 9:6 KJV
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel (the elect), which are of Israel (flesh children):
 
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I came out of the cult that you guys are a part of and I know it's hard to come out. You have to believe the bible for exactly what it says or you never will come out of this. The children of the flesh ARE NOT the children of God. That should be enough to convince anyone that flesh Israel is NOT God's chosen people.
 
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Romans 9:6 KJV
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel (the elect), which are of Israel (flesh children):
I think you could exchange the word Jew for Israel seeing they are used in the same way .

Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are "Jews," and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan
 
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The Jeremiah verse was a promise that would take effect at the time of reformation.
Your right, And that reformation has not yet taken place.

Israel is still blind in part. they have not repented. That are still in sin, the reformation of the jewish nation has not yet happened.

nor have ANY of the things I posted occured, up till this day, from any nation. let alone Israel.
 

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Just answer the question who is that Israel? You have two choices - Flesh Israel or True Israel... It's that simple.
This is what I get. Would this be correct?
Romans 9:6-18 (KJV)
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

*Not all physical Israel is true Israel.

It is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants.

1st=* True Israel, After the Spirit, Israel whom the Father has chosen for a peculiar people; which Christ has redeemed from all their iniquities;

2nd= Flesh Israel,* After the flesh, descendants of the patriarch Jacob.