"replacement theology" - what is it?
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Amazing how you can so misinterpret a thing I said. Does that make you feel good at night?
Nothing I said in my comment had anything to do with anyone's salvation.
The comment you quoted, was a reference to Lev 26. If you walk in my statues I will BLESS YOU. I will feed you I will take care of you.
Never was it mentioned. I will save you"
Nor did I say it would save anyone (as you just falsely accused me of saying) .
Lev 26:[SUP]3 [/SUP]‘If you walk in My statutes and keep My commandments, and perform them,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]then I will give you rain in its season, the land shall yield its produce, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Your threshing shall last till the time of vintage, and the vintage shall last till the time of sowing;
you shall eat your bread to the full, and dwell in your land safely.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]I will give peace in the land, and you shall lie down, and none will make you afraid;
I will rid the land of evil beasts,
and the sword will not go through your land.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]You will chase your enemies, and they shall fall by the sword before you.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Five of you shall chase a hundred, and a hundred of you shall put ten thousand to flight;
your enemies shall fall by the sword before you.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]‘For I will look on you favorably and make you fruitful, multiply you and confirm My covenant with you.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]You shall eat the old harvest, and clear out the old because of the new.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]I will set My tabernacle among you, and My soul shall not abhor you.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]I will walk among you and be your God, and you shall be My people.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that you should not be their slaves;
I have broken the bands of your yoke and made you walk upright.
Anyone see anything in there about a person being saved by obedience?
Nope. don't see it, IT IS NOT THERE
maybe if people would actually study what others believe, and stop ASSUMING. we would not have these heated debates.
Nothing I said in my comment had anything to do with anyone's salvation.
The comment you quoted, was a reference to Lev 26. If you walk in my statues I will BLESS YOU. I will feed you I will take care of you.
Never was it mentioned. I will save you"
Nor did I say it would save anyone (as you just falsely accused me of saying) .
Lev 26:[SUP]3 [/SUP]‘If you walk in My statutes and keep My commandments, and perform them,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]then I will give you rain in its season, the land shall yield its produce, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Your threshing shall last till the time of vintage, and the vintage shall last till the time of sowing;
you shall eat your bread to the full, and dwell in your land safely.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]I will give peace in the land, and you shall lie down, and none will make you afraid;
I will rid the land of evil beasts,
and the sword will not go through your land.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]You will chase your enemies, and they shall fall by the sword before you.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Five of you shall chase a hundred, and a hundred of you shall put ten thousand to flight;
your enemies shall fall by the sword before you.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]‘For I will look on you favorably and make you fruitful, multiply you and confirm My covenant with you.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]You shall eat the old harvest, and clear out the old because of the new.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]I will set My tabernacle among you, and My soul shall not abhor you.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]I will walk among you and be your God, and you shall be My people.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that you should not be their slaves;
I have broken the bands of your yoke and made you walk upright.
Anyone see anything in there about a person being saved by obedience?
Nope. don't see it, IT IS NOT THERE
maybe if people would actually study what others believe, and stop ASSUMING. we would not have these heated debates.
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Jesus did not say he would do anything in Dan 9. Gabriel mentioned jesus only in this way, In that he would be introduced as messiah at the end of 69th week (which he did) and he would be cut off immediately after (which he was) Those are the chain of events, And (although not mentioned) but that he would being an end to the abomination of desolation, and is anointed king of Isreal (and thus the world)
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you have to look at context.
“Seventy weeks[SUP][a][/SUP] are determined For your people and for your holy city,
it not about the church
its not about the gentiles
its not about anyone, other than Daniels People (Israel) and the Holy City (Jerusalem)
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you have to look at context.
“Seventy weeks[SUP][a][/SUP] are determined For your people and for your holy city,
it not about the church
its not about the gentiles
its not about anyone, other than Daniels People (Israel) and the Holy City (Jerusalem)
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exactly!
it was a shadow of what was to come which means...they were never really forgiven in the first place!
now you know the OT? what does God say about the blood of bulls and goats?
thanks for making the point I left for you to make
they will look on the one they pierced.....that does not mean a few at the foot of the cross
I'm glad I made your point!
According to John it was just a few at the foot of the cross.
John 19:34-37 KJV
But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.
[35] And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.
[36] For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.
[37] And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.
According to John it was just a few at the foot of the cross.
John 19:34-37 KJV
But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.
[35] And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.
[36] For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.
[37] And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.
Yes, to his seed is Christ.
But it's not in Genesis 17. But, I'm glad you mentioned Genesis 17. Let's see here - what is God telling Abraham.
Genesis 17:6 I will make you exceedingly fruitful,and I will make nations of you, and kings will come forth from you.
7 I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your DESCENDANTS after you throughout their generations for an EVERLASTING COVENANT, to be God to you and to your DESCENDANTS after you. 8 I will give to you and to your DESCENDANTS after you, the land of your sojourning, all the land of Canaan, for an EVERLASTING POSSESSION; and I WILL BE THEIR GOD. 9 God said further to Abraham, "Now as for you, you shall keep My covenant, you and your DESCENDANTS after you throughout their generations.
The one you spoke of is in Genesis 22 beginning in verse 15 Then the angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time from heaven, 16 and said, "By Myself I have sworn, declares the Lord, because you have done this thing and have not withheld your son, your only son, 17 Indeed I will greatly bless you, and I will greatly multiply your seed as the stars of the heavens and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your seed shall possess the gate of their enemies. 18 In your seed all the nations of the earth will be blessed because you have obeyed My voice.
God made a dual promise to Abraham here. The first was a material promise that he would be the father of many nations and that kings would descend from him. He promised him that his descendants would inherit the land of Canaan. And God promised that he would greatly multiply his seed, the Jewish people. The second promise was of a spiritual nature which is the one you mentioned above. This is the promise of eternal life through Jesus the Messiah, the Savior of the world.
And guess what??? Jesus is a DESCENDANT of Abraham. Jesus is Jewish.
But it's not in Genesis 17. But, I'm glad you mentioned Genesis 17. Let's see here - what is God telling Abraham.
Genesis 17:6 I will make you exceedingly fruitful,and I will make nations of you, and kings will come forth from you.
7 I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your DESCENDANTS after you throughout their generations for an EVERLASTING COVENANT, to be God to you and to your DESCENDANTS after you. 8 I will give to you and to your DESCENDANTS after you, the land of your sojourning, all the land of Canaan, for an EVERLASTING POSSESSION; and I WILL BE THEIR GOD. 9 God said further to Abraham, "Now as for you, you shall keep My covenant, you and your DESCENDANTS after you throughout their generations.
The one you spoke of is in Genesis 22 beginning in verse 15 Then the angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time from heaven, 16 and said, "By Myself I have sworn, declares the Lord, because you have done this thing and have not withheld your son, your only son, 17 Indeed I will greatly bless you, and I will greatly multiply your seed as the stars of the heavens and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your seed shall possess the gate of their enemies. 18 In your seed all the nations of the earth will be blessed because you have obeyed My voice.
God made a dual promise to Abraham here. The first was a material promise that he would be the father of many nations and that kings would descend from him. He promised him that his descendants would inherit the land of Canaan. And God promised that he would greatly multiply his seed, the Jewish people. The second promise was of a spiritual nature which is the one you mentioned above. This is the promise of eternal life through Jesus the Messiah, the Savior of the world.
And guess what??? Jesus is a DESCENDANT of Abraham. Jesus is Jewish.
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I can't believe you just said that! Just as when Jesus came many Jews repented and accepted Jesus as their Messiah, so also today, there are many Jews who have repented and accepted Jesus as their Messiah. You speak of things you just don't know. The nation at some point in the future will get it right and will love and serve God. The 3rd temple will be built and God will put His Spirit within them and He will be their God, and they will be His people.
And how unkind to speak of any people in that way. Our desire should be for all mankind to be saved and we as believers are to treat people with respect. Your words have a sound to it that is bigoted. Where is your heart for the lost of this world?
Israel is legitimately the natural Israel who one day in the future with be both spiritual and natural Israel. The Jews are the natural olive tree. We are wild by nature and have been grafted into their olive tree. The Jews will be once again as a NATION be grafted back into their native olive tree.
You as a believer should be thanking God and the nation of Israel. If it weren't for Israel, you wouldn't be a believer. Scripture says that Israel is a light to the nations.
Isaiah 49:6 “It is too light a thing that you should be my servant
to raise up the tribes of Jacob
and to bring back the preserved of Israel;
I will make you as a light for the nations,
that my salvation may reach to the end of the earth.”
There are two main teachiongs in Dispensationalism one is that God has two separate plans for Jews and Gentiles and that Jews will all be saved on the basis of just being Jewish and part of Israel regardless of anything else. The other is Pre Tribulation Rapture. They believe that because Jesus was rejected as being the Messiah the Church was formed and represents Christ on Earth until the rapture then God turns his attention back to the Jews and Israel. The teaching ignores the fact that the Church started off as being completely Jewish and that Paul said there was no diffference between Jew and Greek. We all come to salvation the same way whatever nationality or ethnic origin we belong to.
Hello tanakh,
Dispensationalism has two primary distinctives: 1) a consistently literal interpretation of Scripture, especially Bible prophecy, and 2) a view of the uniqueness of Israel as separate from the church in God’s program. Israel is not going to be saved on the basis of being Jewish.
According to Gen.37:9-10, the woman of Rev.12 is identified as the nation Israel. She will give birth to a male child, which is a collective name for the 144,000. These will be a select group of male Israelite's who will acknowledge Jesus as Messiah. From the setting up of the abomination, Both Matt.24:15 and Rev.12:6'14 have the woman/Israel who will have given birth to the male child, fleeing out into the wilderness where she will be cared for by God for 1260 days, which is that last 3 1/2 years. At some point from the time that they flee during that 1260 days, they will, by the grace of God, acknowledge Jesus as their Messiah saying "Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord." Therefore, they are not going to be saved on the basis of being Jews, because for one, it would make God out to be a liar. For His word says, without faith it is impossible to please God.
Dispensationalism has two primary distinctives: 1) a consistently literal interpretation of Scripture, especially Bible prophecy, and 2) a view of the uniqueness of Israel as separate from the church in God’s program. Israel is not going to be saved on the basis of being Jewish.
According to Gen.37:9-10, the woman of Rev.12 is identified as the nation Israel. She will give birth to a male child, which is a collective name for the 144,000. These will be a select group of male Israelite's who will acknowledge Jesus as Messiah. From the setting up of the abomination, Both Matt.24:15 and Rev.12:6'14 have the woman/Israel who will have given birth to the male child, fleeing out into the wilderness where she will be cared for by God for 1260 days, which is that last 3 1/2 years. At some point from the time that they flee during that 1260 days, they will, by the grace of God, acknowledge Jesus as their Messiah saying "Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord." Therefore, they are not going to be saved on the basis of being Jews, because for one, it would make God out to be a liar. For His word says, without faith it is impossible to please God.
Yes, unbelieving Jews are enemies.
"As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake."
Rom 11:28
They do not please God:
"[Jews] who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile to everyone."
1Thes 2:15
So I see nothing wrong in what ZEEK said. He can love them as enemies, that is what the Bible says. And the Bible is very Christlike ;-)
"As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake."
Rom 11:28
They do not please God:
"[Jews] who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile to everyone."
1Thes 2:15
So I see nothing wrong in what ZEEK said. He can love them as enemies, that is what the Bible says. And the Bible is very Christlike ;-)
what shall we do with this?
But it is not as though the word of God has failed.
For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel,and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.”
This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring. (Rom 9:6-8)
i'm just curious.
Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate.”
even until 70AD which I Jesus decreed upon the desolate city Jerusalem, is poured out on desolate Jerusalem in 70AD, and the seventy weeks prophecies have been consummated by desolate Jerusalem being judged in 70AD....this isn't hard.
Matthew 23:38
Behold, your house is being left to you desolate!
even until 70AD which I Jesus decreed upon the desolate city Jerusalem, is poured out on desolate Jerusalem in 70AD, and the seventy weeks prophecies have been consummated by desolate Jerusalem being judged in 70AD....this isn't hard.
Matthew 23:38
Behold, your house is being left to you desolate!