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    Quote Originally Posted by Willie-T View Post
    Then you feel that Jews (though they have no faith, whatsoever, in Christ Jesus) are members of His kingdom? Despite their animosity toward Him?... their denying He is the Son of God?
    Nope! I believe they will be saved according to what Romans teaches. They will recognize "Him who they have pierced" and will be saved the same way we are. Apparently we aren't in the mood for humor today. Blessings anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaylagrl View Post
    Nope! I believe they will be saved according to what Romans teaches. They will recognize "Him who they have pierced" and will be saved the same way we are. Apparently we aren't in the mood for humor today. Blessings anyway.
    We were saved through making a choice.... but they are ALL going to be saved (forced into Salvation) no matter how they see Jesus?
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    What are "God's promises to the Jews" ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willie-T View Post
    We were saved through making a choice.... but they are ALL going to be saved (forced into Salvation) no matter how they see Jesus?
    No! They will not be forced,they will recognize the true Messiah and make their own choice.
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    No! They will not be forced,they will recognize the true Messiah and make their own choice.
    And what of those who do not make the choice for Jesus?
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    Okay, I'll answer my own question.

    God never made any promises to the Jews and them alone.

    His promises were to Abram.

    That is a rum kind of "replacement theology" in itself, replacing Abram with the Jews
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willie-T View Post
    And what of those who do not make the choice for Jesus?
    ​ Good question,Ive heard it preached a remnant will be saved,some preach all will be saved. But they will be given a second chance to accept the Lord.
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    So you believe the church has replaced Israel? Disappointed.
    My sister, I don't understand how non-believers can have salvation. Please share your insight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaylagrl View Post
    ​ Good question,Ive heard it preached a remnant will be saved,some preach all will be saved. But they will be given a second chance to accept the Lord.
    Each one of them (just like any Eskimo or Taliban or Russian) is already living in a period of being able to choose. But you are saying another chance comes after they die? Perhaps. I don't see that as beyond God's ability and right to extend to anyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willie-T View Post
    Each one of them (just like any Eskimo or Taliban or Russian) is already living in a period of being able to choose. But you are saying a third chance comes after they die? Perhaps. I don't see that as beyond God's ability and right to extend to anyone.
    No, not after they die,before.The anti-christ will turn against them and they will realize the mistake they have made.

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    If God extends grace to the Jews, and I believe according to Paul he does, it is just that, grace.

    Grace for people who have been in grievous error.
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    1 Kings 10:9

    "Blessed be the LORD your God who delighted in you to set you on the throne of Israel; because the LORD loved Israel forever, therefore He made you king, to do justice and righteousness."



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    Psa 105:8 He hath remembered his covenant for ever, the word whichhe commanded to a thousand generations.
    Psa 105:9 Which covenant he made with Abraham, and his oath unto Isaac;
    Psa 105:10 And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant:
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    Joel 3:1-2
    "For behold, in those days and at that time, When I restore the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem, I will gather all the nations And bring them down to the valley of Jehoshaphat Then I will enter into judgment with them there On behalf of My people and My inheritance, Israel, Whom they have scattered among the nations; And they have divided up My land.
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    Romans 11:1-2
    I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew Or do you not know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Utah View Post
    My sister, I don't understand how non-believers can have salvation. Please share your insight.

    I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin.2 God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. Don’t you know what Scripture says in the passage about Elijah—how he appealed to God against Israel: 3 “Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me”[a]?4 And what was God’s answer to him? “I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”[b] 5 So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. 6 And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.
    7 What then? What the people of Israel sought so earnestly they did not obtain. The elect among them did, but the others were hardened, 8 as it is written:
    “God gave them a spirit of stupor,
    eyes that could not see
    and ears that could not hear,
    to this very day.”[c]

    Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all!Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious.But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!

    13 I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry 14 in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15 For if their rejection brought reconciliation to the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16 If the part of the dough offered as firstfruitsis holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.
    17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.

    Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.24 After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!


    25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:
    “The deliverer will come from Zion;
    he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
    27 And this is[f] my covenant with them
    when I take away their sins.”[g]


    28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[h] receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.


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    Quote Originally Posted by zone View Post
    - I've been accused of it.
    - it's been called satanic and heretical etc etc
    - what is it?
    - where does it originate?
    - does God employ anything like 'replacement theology'?

    sorry, I'm aware there are a million threads out there. here's one more.
    Well, Zone, in order to answer your question, I did what any patriotic Canadian or American would do: I googled it.

    According to Wikipedia, and I am paraphrasing liberally, Replacement Theology states that Christians have replaced the Jews as God’s “chosen” people. I think a lot of people believe that, not necessarily you. I don’t believe that. I think the Lord has separate plans for Christians and Jews.

    Don't apologize for adding another thread. What would we do without new threads - keep rehashing the old ones?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zone View Post
    - I've been accused of it.
    - it's been called satanic and heretical etc etc
    - what is it?
    - where does it originate?
    - does God employ anything like 'replacement theology'?

    sorry, I'm aware there are a million threads out there. here's one more.
    There is no such thing as replacement theology, it only exists in the minds of Zionist. God's chosen people have always been spiritual Israel. In the past spiritual Israel came almost exclusively out of national Israel, today spiritual Israel comes almost exclusively out of the Gentiles.
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    My view is probably what you would call the replacement theology.

    But I am not sure if any replacement took place. No unbelieving Jews were ever "His people". Only believing ones, right?

    So I fail to see the replacement. Believing Jews are still His people and unbelieving ones have never been His people.
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    It has always been the children of the promise. All who apply will have always and will continue
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