"replacement theology" - what is it?

KJV1611 · Dec 14, 2016

Here's an interesting article about how it was technically impossible for the holocaust to have happened the way we've been told it happened. It comes from Vetrans Today which to my knowledge isn't a Neo-Nazi Jew hate group, I think they are a legitimate organization.

CSI-Style Evidence Against the Holocaust Industry | Veterans Today

stonesoffire · Dec 14, 2016

KJV1611 said:

You mean Esau?

Israel is Gods firstborn Son nationally. A sheep nation. The USA is a sheep nation. Goat nations have other gods.

Yeshua came first to the nation but I don't think He didn't know He would be rejected. Was the plan and was to bring forth spiritual children of God. God is Spirit and we are born of His Spirit.

But, the plan also included a deliverer from all enemies. Both of men and their ruling demonic powers. To all of Israel, spiritual and natural.

I think you were referring to birthright. The blessing of the firstborn.

KJV1611 · Dec 14, 2016

Bladerunner said:

I don't hate JEWS! I have nothing against Jews, they're lost people just like any other lost people. I tell the truth about Jews, I don't hate them.

KJV1611 · Dec 14, 2016

stonesoffire said:

You mean Esau?

Israel is Gods firstborn Son nationally. A sheep nation. The USA is a sheep nation. Goat nations have other gods.

Yeshua came first to the nation but I don't think He didn't know He would be rejected. Was the plan and was to bring forth spiritual children of God. God is Spirit and we are born of His Spirit.

But, the plan also included a deliverer from all enemies. Both of men and their ruling demonic powers. To all of Israel, spiritual and natural.

I think you were referring to birthright. The blessing of the firstborn.

Israel is God's firstborn, Christ is God's second born. The firstborn squandered their inheritance and Christ gets it.

Bladerunner · Dec 14, 2016

KJV1611 said:

Do you know why the Nazi' killed the Jews......IF all of God's people are dead then God's plan for the future could not take place and Satan would win...All through biblical history, Stan has be trying to remove the seed of the woman, remove the nation or remove the chosen people in order to win.

Now, let me ask you a question.... You were at one time talking about the rapture and Paul. Was this perhaps in Thessalonica?

KJV1611 · Dec 14, 2016

Romans 11:28 KJV
As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

Can you people not see that the flesh Jews are enemies of the gospel... why do you support enemies of the gospel? The ELECTION - they are not flesh Jews, they are the children of the promise.

Does that make sense? Flesh descendants = Enemies of the gospel. Children of the promise = Election.

KJV1611 · Dec 14, 2016

Bladerunner said:

I'm sorry but I don't know what your talking about - the rapture and Paul. Maybe that was someone else I really don't talk about the rapture because I don't understand the rapture.

stonesoffire · Dec 14, 2016

KJV1611 said:

Is born and begotten the same thing? Your post makes no sense at all to me.

KJV1611 · Dec 14, 2016

stonesoffire said:

It's typology. Israel is God's firstborn.. it's in the bible , you saw it. if Israel is God's firstborn son then what would that make Jesus (he is the SON of God also). What number son would he be?

stonesoffire · Dec 14, 2016

Rom 11:27 And this is My covenant with them, when I take away their sins.”
Rom 11:28 Concerning the Good News, they are hostile for your sake; but concerning chosenness, they are loved on account of the fathers—
Rom 11:29 for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

read the whole chapter please kjv.

Bladerunner · Dec 14, 2016

KJV1611 said:

Do you not understand that those people (worldwide) that accept Jesus Christ as their savior, they are ELECT! Jews, Russans, Iranians, Chineese, Britians, etc........

As far as the Jewish people are concerned,, After the Church (elect) have left this earth, God will once again turn his attention on His people the Israelis.

kaylagrl · Dec 14, 2016

KJV1611 said:

Yes,those words are not true! Read Jesus own words :

.Mark 10:32-34

32 They were on their way up to Jerusalem, with Jesus leading the way, and the disciples were astonished, while those who followed were afraid. Again he took the Twelve aside and told them what was going to happen to him.33 “We are going up to Jerusalem,” he said, “and the Son of Man will be delivered over to the chief priests and the teachers of the law.They will condemn him to death and will hand him over to the Gentiles,34 who will mock him and spit on him, flog him and kill him. Three days later he will rise.”

Luke 9:22-26

22 And he said, “The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.”

Luke 21:37-22:6

Now the Festival of Unleavened Bread, called the Passover, was approaching,2 and the chief priests and the teachers of the law were looking for some way to get rid of Jesus, for they were afraid of the people.3 Then Satan entered Judas, called Iscariot, one of the Twelve.4 And Judas went to the chief priests and the officers of the temple guard and discussed with them how he might betray Jesus.5 They were delighted and agreed to give him money.6 He consented, and watched for an opportunity to hand Jesus over to them when no crowd was present.

Luke 22:66-23:56

At daybreak the council of the elders of the people, both the chief priests and the teachers of the law, met together, and Jesus was led before them.67 “If you are the Messiah,” they said, “tell us.”
Then the whole assembly rose and led him off to Pilate. 2 And they began to accuse him, saying, “We have found this man subverting our nation. He opposes payment of taxes to Caesar and claims to be Messiah, a king.”...

8 When Herod saw Jesus, he was greatly pleased, because for a long time he had been wanting to see him. From what he had heard about him, he hoped to see him perform a sign of some sort. 9 He plied him with many questions, but Jesus gave him no answer. 10 The chief priests and the teachers of the law were standing there, vehemently accusing him.

Pilate called together the chief priests, the rulers and the people,14 and said to them, “You brought me this man as one who was inciting the people to rebellion. I have examined him in your presence and have found no basis for your charges against him.

Matthew 26:3-5

3 Then the chief priests and the elders of the people assembled in the palace of the high priest, whose name was Caiaphas, 4 and they schemed to arrest Jesus secretly and kill him. 5 “But not during the festival,” they said, “or there may be a riot among the people.”

Matt 21

Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are going into the kingdom of God ahead of you. For John came to you in the way of righteousness and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes believed him; and even after you saw it, you did not change your minds and believe him. "Listen to another parable. There was a landowner who planted a vineyard, put a fence around it, dug a wine press in it, and built a watchtower. Then he leased it to tenants and went to another country. When the harvest time had come, he sent his slaves to the tenants to collect his produce. But the tenants seized his slaves and beat one, killed another, and stoned another. Again he sent other slaves, more than the first; and they treated them in the same way. Finally he sent his son to them, saying, 'They will respect my son.' But when the tenants saw the son, they said to themselves, 'This is the heir; come, let us kill him and get his inheritance." So they seized him, threw him out of the vineyard, and killed him. Now when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those tenants?" They said to him, "He will put those wretches to a miserable death, and lease the vineyard to other tenants who will give him the produce at the harvest time." Jesus said to them, "Have you never read in the scriptures: 'The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone; this was the Lord's doing, and it is amazing in our eyes'? Therefore I tell you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people that produces the fruits of the kingdom. The one who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; and it will crush anyone on whom it falls."When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard his parables, they realized that he was speaking about them. They wanted to arrest him, but they feared the crowds, because they regarded him as a prophet."

All who exalt themselves will be humbled, and all who humble themselves will be exalted.
But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you lock people out of the kingdom of heaven. For you do not go in yourselves, and when others are going in, you stop them.
Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you cross sea and land to make a single convert, and you make the new convert twice as much a child of hell as yourselves. . .
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint, dill, and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. It is these you ought to have practiced without neglecting the others. You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel!
Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and of the plate, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. You blind Pharisees! First clean the inside of the cup, so that the outside also may become clean.
Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which on the outside look beautiful, but inside they are full of the bones of the dead and of all kinds of filth. So you also on the outside look righteous to others, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.
Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you build the tombs of the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous, and you say, 'If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.' Thus you testify against yourselves that you are descendants of those who murdered the prophets. Fill up, then, the measure of your ancestors. You snakes, you brood of vipers! How can you escape being sentenced to hell? Therefore I send you prophets, sages, and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town, so that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Barachiah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar.

Luke 11

"Woe to you Pharisees! For you love to have the seat of honor in the synagogues and to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces.
Woe to you! For you are like unmarked graves, and people walk over them without realizing it." One of the lawyers ( a professional student of "the Law and the Prophets") answered him, "Teacher, when you say these things, you insult us too." And he said,
"Woe also to you lawyers! For you load people with burdens hard to bear, and you yourselves do not lift a finger to ease them.
Woe to you! For you build the tombs of the prophets whom your ancestors killed. So you are witnesses and approve of the deeds of your ancestors; for they killed them, and you build their tombs. Therefore also the Wisdom of God said, 'I will send them prophets and apostles, some of whom they will kill and persecute,' so that this generation may be charged with the blood of all the prophets shed since the foundation of the world, from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah,"

John 12

"When the great crowd of the (Leaders of the) Jews learned that he was there, they came not only because of Jesus but also to see Lazarus, whom he had raised from the dead. So the chief priests planned to put Lazarus to death as well, since it was on account of him that many of the (Leaders of the) Jews were deserting and were believing in Jesus.

Jesus told us who was going to kill Him. The chief priests,Pharisees wanted to kill Him.He escaped until His time for death came. Many times they wanted to arrest Him but didn't for fear of "the people".Who were they? Jews! They were believing in Jesus and that was a treat to the establishment,to the religious rulers and that is why they sought to kill Him. The Romans nailed Him to the cross,our sins put Him there.THAT is who killed Jesus. Not "Jews" as a race.

stonesoffire · Dec 14, 2016

KJV1611 said:

He is the Lord from heaven begotten of God. The first born among many brethren.

KJV1611 · Dec 14, 2016

Bladerunner said:

That's exactly what I'm saying. Flesh descendants of Abraham ARE NOT the elect. Flesh descendants are the enemies of the gospel.

stonesoffire · Dec 14, 2016

Mat 25:32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, andHe will separate them from one another, just as theshepherd separates the sheepfrom the goats.

See...it's nations that God calls sheep and goats. All nations have a God, god.

Israel is His firstborn nation.

Sheep follow the Shepherd. Israel followed YHWH. Islam follows allah.

Christians follow Holy Spirit.

KJV1611 · Dec 14, 2016

stonesoffire said:

I'm not talking about first born among brethren. I'm talking about sons of God. Israel - first born, Christ second born.... Never mind, I don't think you're going to get this. It's too much effort to go through this for no reason.

KJV1611 · Dec 14, 2016

stonesoffire said:

This is talking about God's firstborn SON not nations.

Exodus 4:22 KJVAnd thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord , Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

stonesoffire · Dec 14, 2016

And I don't think you get it.

KJV1611 · Dec 14, 2016

stonesoffire said:

That's fine, I'm not looking for anybody's approval or praise. I'm just trying to share what God has shown me.

stonesoffire · Dec 14, 2016

There's a huge difference between following outwardly a shepherd and following inwardly Holy Spirit.

No inward connection with following versus bein born of Spirit.

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