"replacement theology" - what is it?

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Ahwatukee

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You're under the assumption that the Revelation 11 temple is Ezkiel's temple, but it's not and this is easily proven. The temple in Revelation was the temple during the time of Christ.


The temple described in Rev.11 is in reference to the coming temple (not Ezekiel's) that Israel will build once that seven year agreement is made by the antichrist. They have had the blue prints for it for some time and are ready to build. The Sanhedrin has also been reconvened for at least the several years now and have been learning to sacrifice according to the law. Everything is in place. All that is needed is the completion of the church and its gathering, which will be followed by the revealing of that antichrist.
 
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Ezekiel's temple is under construction right now. It has nothing to do with the dome of the rock or Jerusalem period. Ezekiel's temple is the true temple of God, it's not a shadow. Ezekiel's temple is the body of Christ.
So The temple in Revelation was the temple during the time of Christ. and That temple has long been destroyed and Rev temple is in the past... it's gone. . . . The new heaven and a new earth are here now? The holy city, new Jerusalem has come down? The temple in Revelation which is within the new heaven and upon the new earth, which is in the holy city, new Jerusalem is in the past . . . it's gone? How can that be? John is being given a vision of the future - John did not write Revelation, according to most scholars until 90AD so how could the temple he is "seeing" be the temple during the time of Christ and be destroyed?

Just wondering . . .
Also, just a side note . . . the measurements in Rev. 21 are the measurements of the city, the new Jerusalem, for there is no temple in the city for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

 

Ahwatukee

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From what?

"Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.” And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem..."

We know who is the wife of the Christ - church.

"The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb."

Twelve apostles are the gates to Church, because of their gospel preaching to whole the world.

Etc, etc. Every description fits the Church perfectly.
Trofimus, the city is not just about the church, but about Israel as well. For the names of the twelve tribes of Israel will literally be written on the twelve gates, each made of a single pearl. Representing the church will be the twelve apostles whose names will be written on the twelve foundations. According to the dimensions given, the city will be a cube 1400 miles wide, deep and high. Each gate will be made from a single pearl and the foundations will each be made of a precious gem and will be garnished with different types of gems.
 

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Trofimus, the city is not just about the church, but about Israel as well. For the names of the twelve tribes of Israel will literally be written on the twelve gates, each made of a single pearl. Representing the church will be the twelve apostles whose names will be written on the twelve foundations. According to the dimensions given, the city will be a cube 1400 miles wide, deep and high. Each gate will be made from a single pearl and the foundations will each be made of a precious gem and will be garnished with different types of gems.
Yeah, Church had 12 gates during the Israel's era and 12 foundation during the era of gospel.

I am not sure what 1400 and various gems symbolize, but I think somebody who study such things will know.

I am not saying it can not be a literal city, too. I dont know, maybe.

But the symbolic meaning is almost certain.
 
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They are measurements of time aren't they?
I don't think so, I think it's people and I think the reed measurement is like the plumbline measurement in Amos.

Amos 7:7-9 KJV
Thus he shewed me: and, behold, the Lord stood upon a wall made by a plumbline, with a plumbline in his hand.

[8] And the Lord said unto me, Amos, what seest thou? And I said, A plumbline. Then said the Lord, Behold, I will set a plumbline in the midst of my people Israel: I will not again pass by them any more:

[9] And the high places of Isaac shall be desolate, and the sanctuaries of Israel shall be laid waste; and I will rise against the house of Jeroboam with the sword.

Jesus being the "bruised reed" and the plumb line used to measure the temple of God. This is the separation of the true Jews from the fleshly Jews prior to the destruction or the temple in AD 70.

So the temple in Rev is talking about the true temple of God being established before the shadow temple was destroyed.
 
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So The temple in Revelation was the temple during the time of Christ. and That temple has long been destroyed and Rev temple is in the past... it's gone. . . . The new heaven and a new earth are here now? The holy city, new Jerusalem has come down? The temple in Revelation which is within the new heaven and upon the new earth, which is in the holy city, new Jerusalem is in the past . . . it's gone? How can that be? John is being given a vision of the future - John did not write Revelation, according to most scholars until 90AD so how could the temple he is "seeing" be the temple during the time of Christ and be destroyed?

Just wondering . . .
Read trofimus response in post 1472. I'm traveling today and can't respond until later.
 
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Also, just a side note . . . the measurements in Rev. 21 are the measurements of the city, the new Jerusalem, for there is no temple in the city for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

I was talking about the temple in Revelation 11. Be back later for mor detail.
 
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but there is no temple in heavenly Jerusalem...
If that was directed at me, I'm sure what you're taking about, I wasn't talking about heavenly Jerusalem. The temple in Revelation is the temple during Christ's time. It was destroyed and the city was trodden under foot of the gentiles for the last 2000 years.
 
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Maybe I am being stupid. I don't see how a physical city is precluded by it being the Church.

We simply have moved from the buildings (the temple) being the defining characteristic, to the people (believers) being the defining characteristic.
 
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I don't think so, I think it's people and I think the reed measurement is like the plumbline measurement in Amos.

Amos 7:7-9 KJV
Thus he shewed me: and, behold, the Lord stood upon a wall made by a plumbline, with a plumbline in his hand.

[8] And the Lord said unto me, Amos, what seest thou? And I said, A plumbline. Then said the Lord, Behold, I will set a plumbline in the midst of my people Israel: I will not again pass by them any more:

[9] And the high places of Isaac shall be desolate, and the sanctuaries of Israel shall be laid waste; and I will rise against the house of Jeroboam with the sword.

Jesus being the "bruised reed" and the plumb line used to measure the temple of God. This is the separation of the true Jews from the fleshly Jews prior to the destruction or the temple in AD 70.

So the temple in Rev is talking about the true temple of God being established before the shadow temple was destroyed.
It would seem that the plumb line is represented by 2/3 being cut off .2/3, or 666/1000 is the number used to represent of uncovered man influenced by the beast, the god of this world . The antichrists that are ready here .
 

Ahwatukee

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Yeah, Church had 12 gates during the Israel's era and 12 foundation during the era of gospel.

I am not sure what 1400 and various gems symbolize, but I think somebody who study such things will know.

I am not saying it can not be a literal city, too. I dont know, maybe.

But the symbolic meaning is almost certain.
Why not just believe the information given instead of forcing a symbolic meaning? Not everything has a symbolic meaning. If the literal sense makes good sense, then don't seek any other sense.
 
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If that was directed at me, I'm sure what you're taking about, I wasn't talking about heavenly Jerusalem. The temple in Revelation is the temple during Christ's time. It was destroyed and the city was trodden under foot of the gentiles for the last 2000 years.
So that then means you date Revelation pre AD 70?
 
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So that then means you date Revelation pre AD 70?
If you meant the time it was written, I don't know when it was written, and the time it was written doesn't change anything about what is written.
 

trofimus

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Why not just believe the information given instead of forcing a symbolic meaning?
1. Because of the context. Revelation is a prophetic book working with symbols. Its the way of its communication with us.
Symbolic reading is the natural one. And it makes no difficulty. It makes perfect sense.

2. "Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.", says the angel.
So the natural reading is "this is about the bride of Lamb - the church".

3. Everything is for example in twelves, which is an obvious symbolism.

Not everything has a symbolic meaning. If the literal sense makes good sense, then don't seek any other sense.[/FONT][/SIZE]
1. It does not apply to visions and revelations.

2. I dont think the literal meaning makes a good sense. The city would look like a perfect giant bright cube. With some tree needed for healing of nations etc.
 
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I don't know the answer to that, my brother. Prophesy is not my gift and I'm not well read on the subject. Hopefully someone who is gifted and filled with the Spirit can help us out on that one.

what do you all mean by "many will not be left" Maybe I can try to discuss it.
 
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Here's Hosea 5:15 in context.

Hosea 5:14-15 KJV
For I will be unto Ephraim as a lion, and as a young lion to the house of Judah: I, even I, will tear and go away; I will take away, and none shall rescue him.

  • God is going to be like a lion (the lion of the tribe of Judah) to Ephraim and Judah.
  • The lion of the tribe of Judah is going to tear them, then the lion of the tribe of Judah is going to GO AWAY AFTER he has torn them.
  • The lion of the tribe of Judah is going to take Ephraim and Judah AWAY and nobody came stop it.

[15] I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.

  • AFTER he has torn them (not at the end of the world) he is going BACK TO HEAVEN.
  • And they will seek him EARLY (not 2000 years later) AFTER they acknowledge their offence.

I am with you up till the last part.

I would say the end is more like What Jesus said, He was going to leave, and they (jerusalem, or jacob) would not see him until they shout out his name. (repent and acknowledge him as messiah)

SO that would be the end times,

Your seeing two parts to the whole here. the 1st comming, then he leaves, and then the second comming In between is the "prophetic Gap" you all hate.