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    hmmm....lol

    Well....yes.

    I wasn't really a member of the Church, but attended it for a couple of years.

    I've never been a part of the furniture at a church - God has always made me feel I am a bit outside the formal Churches.

    I was taken to many of them in my early life as a Christian, and they all were riddled with problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob32 View Post
    Hey, I posted this in another discussion, but I think it has important things in it if anyone wants to take the time to dissect my ramblings(lol) but seriously...this is an important topic, so I'm glad to see multiple threads about it. ......
    ...sorry. I was interested and started off reading, but it's too much text; no breaks etc.
    shorten it make it easier to read, please come on now. I liked the first two lines
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahwatukee View Post
    Except here in Revelation where the word church and saints are divided and thus God making a distinction between the church and the saints that will remain on the earth after the church has been removed....
    this doctrine hangs on all these tiny threads.
    just look at the logic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahwatukee View Post
    I assure that my eyes are very opened, as I have been meticulously studying end-time events for over 40 years. I know what I am talking about. You have not answered the question as to why the Holy Spirit stopped using the word ekklesia/church after the end of chapter 3. This should be a red flag. This is not about a word study but recognizing within the context the division between the use of these two words ekklesia and hagios.....
    pppfffft this wouldn't get you a C- in high school, bud
    awful.
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    At,

    I'm not following you brother - in our understanding, a 'saint is a saint' under any circumstances...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcontroversal View Post
    A whole 40 years you say...That means nothing to me bro....The Pharisee taught his whole life as a blind leader of the blind....

    a) So what...the letter is written unto the 7 churches...there is NO NEED to use the word CHURCH after chapter 3 because "THE SAINTS" covers ALL who are identified with ANY church on the planet when this goes down.....THE SAINTS which are at Philippi, THE SAINTS which are at Ephesus, THE SAINTS which are at Colosse ETC....THE SAINTS designation has been used ALL through the N.T. to describe SAVED, IMMERSED CHURCH MEMBERS.

    b) There is ONE body in HEAVEN and on this earth CHURCHES, each an individual body, separate, autonomous with equal right and authority before God.....The CHURCH is a universal misnomer applied erroneously unto the Lord's CHURCHES as in PLURAL!
    Well then, I will leave you with your own beliefs regarding this. But what I am saying is the truth. Maybe some day God will open your eyes to it. If you think that the only reason that the word church is no longer used from chapter 4 onward because the word saint is sufficient, then you are just not recognizing this hidden truth here that God is providing.

    If the word church and saint were used interchangeably throughout chapters 1 thru 3 and also used interchangeably from chapter 4 onward, then your claim would be valid and there would be no issue and I would not be teaching this. But it is because this is not the case that I teach this. I'm telling you that the division of both church and saint is pertinent to understanding this scriptural truth.
    But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control ...

    I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit ...

    This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by trofimus View Post
    Hm, OK. But still, the New Testament is the authority on what is yet to happen and what was fullfilled.
    don't think you understand,,,,,,the OT and NT go together. There are 400 or so verses in Revelation but over 800 references to the OT.

    Try the whole book, I think you will be happier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zone View Post
    you have two species of saints.
    a saint is a saint.
    there's no such thing as a tribulation saint.
    this is the fruit of stupid pre-trib doctrine

    actually there are four classes of Saints. Sorry,,you lose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bladerunner View Post
    actually there are four classes of Saints. Sorry,,you lose.
    oh please show me the part about tribulation saints!!
    heck, tell us about the 4 classes
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    Quote Originally Posted by zone View Post
    pppfffft this wouldn't get you a C- in high school, bud
    awful.
    Yeah, I figured that would be your response. It is always the people who don't know that attempt to discredit the people who do. These truths are spiritually discerned.
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    This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahwatukee View Post
    Yeah, I figured that would be your response. It is always the people who don't know that attempt to discredit the people who do.
    no, you don't know ANYTHING.
    40 years of studying the same JUNK over and over, and you're STILL churning it out.
    all that eschatological rubbish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zone View Post
    oh wow.
    God said He would bless THOSE WHO BLESSED ABRAM.
    He would curse THOSE WHO CURSED ABRAM.

    the promise to bless or curse is made TO ABRAM.
    Genesis 12 (KJV)

    12 Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

    SOoooooooooo what part can you not read......... "I will make of thee a Great Nation"?????.....or Maybe "I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing"....or "And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee:...OOPs already know about this one!!!!!!....

    "and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed." or maybe this one......... WHICH YOU ARE PART OF......I think????


    I guess you just don't feel blessed now do you??????/
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    Quote Originally Posted by zone View Post
    please post which passages
    been there before with YOU......don't want to waste you time......
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    Quote Originally Posted by zone View Post
    oh please show me the part about tribulation saints!!
    heck, tell us about the 4 classes
    Tribulation saints are those saints martyred for their faith during the Great Tribulation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eternally-gratefull View Post
    No, I am talking about the promises MADE in the abrahamic covenant.

    What is it you don't like about it.... Are you not part of a nation that has been blessed?????? Are you not Blessed?????

    I know, you are from another word...the covenant does not affect you in any way?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bladerunner View Post
    been there before with YOU......don't want to waste you time......
    oh come on.
    tell me about the 4 classes of saints.
    you made the assertion
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    Quote Originally Posted by dcontroversal View Post
    Unless your whole premise is wrong and ALL SAINTS go thru the TRIBULATION........as in POST TRIB/PRE WRATH ingathering....

    No need to post your view on tribulation and wrath...they are two different words, two different meanings and applied unto two polar opposite groups...

    and no...the people WRONGY ASSUME that the wrath of God is here at the 6th seal....

    The announcement is made IN HEAVEN before the THRONE that God's WRATH (ORGE) has arrived at the sounding of the 7th and final TRUMP of Revelation...not the 6th seal...
    Jesus tells us in Matthew: Wellllllll here it is....


    Matthew 24:21(KJV)

    21 "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."

    I guess this was meant to be different meaning as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob32 View Post
    Hey, I posted this in another discussion, but I think it has important things in it if anyone wants to take the time to dissect my ramblings(lol) but seriously...this is an important topic, so I'm glad to see multiple threads about it.

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    In the 1000 year reign, the Jew and the Gentiles are different. No Jew will Die?
    Have a Blessed Day!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bladerunner View Post
    Jesus tells us in Matthew: Wellllllll here it is....


    Matthew 24:21(KJV)

    21 "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."

    I guess this was meant to be different meaning as well.
    What is your point, all three...Matthew, Mark and Luke emphatically teach that the gathering of the saved takes place after the great tribulation....Even the parable of the tares and wheat teaches that the tares will begin to be dealt with first BEFORE the gathering of the wheat (saved)

    Thilipsis-->tribulation
    ORGE--->WRATH

    In the WORLD you WILL have tribulation.....but we have been saved from WRATH through him
    Through MUCH tribulation we must enter the kingdom......


    It is ridiculous to think that for 2000 years the saints have been murdered, beaten, ostracized, jailed, burned, mocked, ridiculed etc. and then at the end of the age the saved are so righteous that they will not have to suffer.....

    Jesus was clear...if they will kill the master what shall they do to the servant

    If anything the Lord's churches need to feel the heat and the persecution so as to lose the lackadaisical attitude toward God and his imperative command to MAKE DISCIPLES......most are saved, satisfied and petrified.......!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcontroversal View Post
    I suggest you open your eyes...the entire book was written unto 7 churches....there is no split rapture of the saints at the end of the age....

    We which are alive and remain and the dead in Christ rising is indicative of ALL the saved in EVERY AGE and TIME frame.....
    The 7 Churches were telling the future as well as telling those actual churches in that time period what they had wrong and what they could do to become saints.

    Unfortunately there are only two of the churches, one is promise a place in heaven and the other will be if they do this. The others have a lot of work. Oh, and one is guaranteed that it will go through the Great tribulations.
    That church be "Thyatira"

    There will be a split of the saints of the 1st resurrection.
    Have a Blessed Day!

    While reading these words I have posted above, remember to check these truths out for yourself. (Acts 17:11 (KJV))

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