Is WOF of God or the devil?

[know1]

[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]I amtold, among other things, that many refuse to preach WOF, as Jesusand the apostles did, because some churches or persons have pervertedits' message.
That is like saying they refuse to preach the gospel ofgrace because others have perverted its' message too.
Or they callthe WOF doctrine, evil or of the devil, because of some of thechurches or persons have twisted its' message.
That would be likecalling the gospel of grace evil or of the devil because of somedenominations, like the JW's and Mormons, have twisted its' message.
Or refusing to believe, regardless of what is written, because itdidn't work for them when they tried it. How do you knowsalvation worked for you and that you are indeed a child of God, ifyou never felt anything, as most haven't?[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Tocall WOF evil, or a doctrine of devils, or to say it doesn't work, isto say FAITH is evil, a doctrine of devils, nor that itworks. This is totally illogical thinking, yet that is exactly whatmany, if not most are doing. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Liesand excuses.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Thereis a conspiracy in the church, from those who are not of God. Manyhave gone to great lengths to propagating lies to the masses, to keepthem in fear, preventing them from believing the gospel of JesusChrist. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Yes,WOF is of the gospel of Jesus Christ, and all who appose it, apposethe gospel. All who call it evil and of the devil, call the gospel ofgrace, evil and of the devil, thereby calling Jesus evil and of thedevil. How unwittingly blind and stupid can the masses be to believesomething so ridiculous? How much more those who preach against it. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Apparently,quite. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]I havebeen told personally many times, and have read the statements of evenmore Christians saying, “that WOF stuff doesn't work”, meaningthey TRIED it and nothing happened, and “WOF is a doctrine ofdevils”, which tells me that they have been taught that it is notof God, but a lie of the devil. Why is that?[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Thetruth is, most denominational churches are hostile toward thedoctrine, though it is of God. It has been taught that it is evil,when it is of God. And by calling it evil, they are thereby callingand treating that which is of God and good, as though it were evil,and calling and treating that which is evil, as though it were good.And you wonder why so many of you are sick and dying and why God wont heal you or you loved ones. You might start with your own sin ofUNBELIEF, and for calling God's message, evil.[/FONT]

 

[know1]

[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]If WOFis evil, then so is the faith of God. For the two go hand in hand.You cannot have faith without WOF. Why didn't Jesus just cast outspirits and heal the sick with His power like He did to the womanwith the issue of blood? Why did He and others ALWAYS SPEAK ORCOMMAND IT FIRST, BEFORE it manifested? If WOF is of thedevil, then why was it okay for Jesus to use WOF throughout Hisministry? And why is it okay for Jesus and God the Father tocall things which be not as though they were or are, but not us? Arewe not told to do as Jesus did? Was He not our example to follow?Then why are we told by the most prominent so called Christians, thatit is evil and of the devil, and even a heresy to do as Jesus did, orto speak as He spoke, which again was calling things which be not asthough they were? And why are we who teach that we should dothe same, condemned and spoken evil of? [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Whichof the two is the greater sin, asking with wrong motives, such as forpersonal gain, or having an evil heart of unbelief, even calling it alie and a doctrine of devils? [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Again,which is worse? Teaching what is written as it is written, orrefusing to teach it because of what others have done with that whichis written?[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Again,which is worse? Abusing that which is written for self gain and thatof others, or adding to, taking away, or twisting and perverting thatwhich is written, by using and highlighting the actions of those whohave used it for personal gain as their example of why it is evil orof the devil? [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Tocondemn WOF is to condemn the gospel, to condemn the gospel is tocondemn God. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Whynot let God be God, and taking care of those who try to use WOF withevil intent, since He is able to, and you just preach the gospel orthat which is written, for WOF is of the gospel of Jesus Christ. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Didn'tGod put safeguards in His word for using WOF? [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Yes,He did. [/FONT]

 

[know1]

[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Takefor example, the sower who sowed good seed in the earth that hadweeds in it. In the parable, the ground represents the heart, and theweeds that choked the seed/word of God represents the lust of otherthings that entered in, which prevented the word of God from baringfruit. So God is the one who will prevent the person from gettingsomething if their heart or motive is not right. And if WOF workedfor those who used it, then who or what gave it to them? Was it Godor the devil? If it was the devil who gave them the things they namedand claimed, then it was the devil who gave you your salvation.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]And ifit was God, then God did evil for giving that person what they namedand claimed as done for their own personal gain.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Andspeaking of personal gain, for whom did you receive salvation for?Yourself or for others? And is it an evil thing to confess that youare strong, or healthy, or obedient to God, or that you love yourenemies, or that you are perfect and don't sin, and the like, whennone of those things are true in the natural? If you came to Christfor yourself and not others, then is it evil to confess good thingsabout and for yourself, as well as for others? Jesus said for us tojudge rightly, not according to how some make it appear.[/FONT]

 

[know1]

If WOFis of the devil, then how on earth did you, or anyone else for thatmatter, get saved?
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Thereforeif WOF is of the devil, then you and everyone else who callthemselves Christians, are born again of the devil, which means thatyour salvation is of the devil, and the gospel you believe in, is ofthe devil. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]It iswritten to Loveyour enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hateyou, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and that revileyou, and persecuteyou,andshall say all manner of evil against you falsely, and shall hate you,and shall separate you fromtheir company,and shall reproach you,and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's [the word ofGod's] sake, that ye may be the children of your Father which is inheaven:[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Youare not an easy lot to love and be kind to, or do good for, becauseyou call God's word a lie and evil, thereby calling Him a liar andevil as well.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Jesussaid you shall know them by their fruit, for as their father is, soare they. If their father cannot receive truth, neither can they, forthey shall do his works.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Thisis how I see them who CANNOT receive something so simple and easy tosee. The only ways one is not able to see this has to be eitherbecause of fear through ignorance, or they have been blinded by thedevil, or worse, they are one of his children. Something as obviousas WOF is just too hard for a true child of God to miss in scripture,unless they have been taught that it is not of God. [/FONT]

 

[know1]

[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Onebig problem with the church concerning WOF, is that of ignorance.Another and the bigger of the two, would be the evil heads of manydenominational churches propagating the lies against the doctrine.Again, them who teach that WOF is evil and a lie of the devil, scarethe masses of ignorant Christians, causing them to steer away from itthrough fear.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Whothen are really the ones preaching another gospel? Those who agreewith WOF, or those who are against it? To answer that I would ask,which doctrine is scriptural? [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Showme just two verses of scripture that speaks against WOF, that youmight have a leg to stand on. And I will give you page after pagethat would prove your interpretation otherwise. All I keep gettingare examples of people trying to abuse the doctrine, or so they thinkand make it sound, but I don't see scripture to back it up.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Havingsaid all that, can anyone tell me first, how WOF works? Just thebasic principal, not how others have perverted or abused it. Just howit's suppose to work. Surely, if you preach against something, thenyou should know how it works, or why it doesn't work.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Andsecond, if it is something that Paul and the other apostles preached,and if it is of God, then what are we suppose to use it for? What didthe apostles use it for? And what did Jesus and God use it for?[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]And ifyou can answer that, then why are you, who are against WOF or thatwhich is written, not doing the same? [/FONT]

 

[know1]

Sorry for the blending of two words into one. I guess my program is not compatible with the one on CC, among other things.

 

[HisHolly]

The whole thread is phenomenal but this is the icing!!

Onebig problem with the church concerning WOF, is that of ignorance.Another and the bigger of the two, would be the evil heads of manydenominational churches propagating the lies against the doctrine.Again, them who teach that WOF is evil and a lie of the devil, scarethe masses of ignorant Christians, causing them to steer away from itthrough fear.
Whothen are really the ones preaching another gospel? Those who agreewith WOF, or those who are against it? To answer that I would ask,which doctrine is scriptural?
Showme just two verses of scripture that speaks against WOF, that youmight have a leg to stand on. And I will give you page after pagethat would prove your interpretation otherwise. All I keep gettingare examples of people trying to abuse the doctrine, or so they thinkand make it sound, but I don't see scripture to back it up.
Havingsaid all that, can anyone tell me first, how WOF works? Just thebasic principal, not how others have perverted or abused it. Just howit's suppose to work. Surely, if you preach against something, thenyou should know how it works, or why it doesn't work.
Andsecond, if it is something that Paul and the other apostles preached,and if it is of God, then what are we suppose to use it for? What didthe apostles use it for? And what did Jesus and God use it for?
And ifyou can answer that, then why are you, who are against WOF or thatwhich is written, not doing the same?

 

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http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/144809-word-faith-look-what-bible-says.html

 

[Depleted]

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/144809-word-faith-look-what-bible-says.html

That's enough. Repetition is ridiculous.

 

[HisHolly]

That thread is based off teaching of men not the word and perpetuated by a woman who sees thru emotional pain

 

[know1]

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/144809-word-faith-look-what-bible-says.html

I started this because the other thread, which I read before, and if I recall correctly, does not talk about how WOF works or what it is used for. It stays on the negative side of the issue, but doesn't deal directly about WOF. What it talks against is the health and wealth message.

 

[know1]

That thread is based off teaching of men not the word and perpetuated by a woman who sees thru emotional pain

And that's another point I missed. Thank you.
And thank you for your first post.
I tell you, I don't get many posts with such a glowing review.
But I spoke the truth. And I know how WOF works, and it is not what most here on CC portray it to be.
And God's blessings be to you for being able to see, what I know to be the truth of God's word.
Many on this forum vehemently appose this doctrine, but can't give scripture against it. They only speak against the health and wealth part of WOF.

 

[know1]

Can anyone give just one scripture that speak direct against WOF? Not the health and wealth message, but something that would say words of faith are of the devil or evil, or even that they don't work. That is what many of you teach, so please, I urge you to feel free to back up your doctrine with scripture that deals specifically with WOF.
Can anyone tell me how WOF is suppose to work, seeing that the charismatic movement has it wrong?
Can anyone do that?
Is anyone willing?

 

[HisHolly]

I know. They have a select few they assault but never get into discussion about the actual topic.. Like you said they never have scripture to back up the allegations against using words of faith. Would be impossible since words of faith are the heart of the reflections given about everyone who believed

And that's another point I missed. Thank you.
And thank you for your first post.
I tell you, I don't get many posts with such a glowing review.
But I spoke the truth. And I know how WOF works, and it is not what most here on CC portray it to be.
And God's blessings be to you for being able to see, what I know to be the truth of God's word.
Many on this forum vehemently appose this doctrine, but can't give scripture against it. They only speak against the health and wealth part of WOF.

 

[HisHolly]

Thank you!! For your all the above..

 

[notmyown]

Can anyone give just one scripture that speak direct against WOF? Not the health and wealth message, but something that would say words of faith are of the devil or evil, or even that they don't work. That is what many of you teach, so please, I urge you to feel free to back up your doctrine with scripture that deals specifically with WOF.
Can anyone tell me how WOF is suppose to work, seeing that the charismatic movement has it wrong?
Can anyone do that?
Is anyone willing?

a) it might be helpful if you clarified what YOU mean by WoF, particularly since you seen to be separating it from heath and wealth. give us your definition of WoF, if you please.

b) thus far, i've read a bit of what approaches ranting and have seen no Scripture to back up your statements.
once you define what you mean, can you provide Scripture?

c) "how it 'works' " ??
please will you explain what you mean by 'works' ?


i hope addressing the above might give us a better framework for an actual discussion than what you have done so far.
thank you

 

[followjesus]

I amtold, among other things, that many refuse to preach WOF, as Jesusand the apostles did, because some churches or persons have pervertedits' message.
That is like saying they refuse to preach the gospel ofgrace because others have perverted its' message too.
Or they callthe WOF doctrine, evil or of the devil, because of some of thechurches or persons have twisted its' message.
That would be likecalling the gospel of grace evil or of the devil because of somedenominations, like the JW's and Mormons, have twisted its' message.
Or refusing to believe, regardless of what is written, because itdidn't work for them when they tried it. How do you knowsalvation worked for you and that you are indeed a child of God, ifyou never felt anything, as most haven't?
Tocall WOF evil, or a doctrine of devils, or to say it doesn't work, isto say FAITH is evil, a doctrine of devils, nor that itworks. This is totally illogical thinking, yet that is exactly whatmany, if not most are doing.
Liesand excuses.
Thereis a conspiracy in the church, from those who are not of God. Manyhave gone to great lengths to propagating lies to the masses, to keepthem in fear, preventing them from believing the gospel of JesusChrist.
Yes,WOF is of the gospel of Jesus Christ, and all who appose it, apposethe gospel. All who call it evil and of the devil, call the gospel ofgrace, evil and of the devil, thereby calling Jesus evil and of thedevil. How unwittingly blind and stupid can the masses be to believesomething so ridiculous? How much more those who preach against it.
Apparently,quite.
I havebeen told personally many times, and have read the statements of evenmore Christians saying, “that WOF stuff doesn't work”, meaningthey TRIED it and nothing happened, and “WOF is a doctrine ofdevils”, which tells me that they have been taught that it is notof God, but a lie of the devil. Why is that?
Thetruth is, most denominational churches are hostile toward thedoctrine, though it is of God. It has been taught that it is evil,when it is of God. And by calling it evil, they are thereby callingand treating that which is of God and good, as though it were evil,and calling and treating that which is evil, as though it were good.And you wonder why so many of you are sick and dying and why God wont heal you or you loved ones. You might start with your own sin ofUNBELIEF, and for calling God's message, evil.

I believe the key is to first realize Gods will, find out what God said and confess that, anything can be easily distorted if were not sure of Gods word, because His word explains His will. when we see" ask whatever you will and believe you have received it and it will be done for you" this is easily misconstrued because we are taught to seek the Kingdom and then all our necessaties will be given. and that God already Knows our physical needs and will provide. when faith is turned towards the worldly things we desire that are contrary to God, faith is being used against His will. Faith can also work against a person if it is not in line woith the will of God. for instance when a person is set in confessing " Im just a sinner i cant change" faith is working against that person keeping them in bondage. the proper Knowledge is what keeps faith in line with Gods word.

james has a great point on asking and receiveing particularly v 1-4

james 4:1-10 "From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members? 2Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not. 3Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume itupon your lusts. 4Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. 5Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy? 6But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
7Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. 9Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness. 10Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

when we align our faith with Gods will all things are ours , Being rich isnt Gods will so that we can live easy lives but that we may help those in need. consider How God answers prayers for physical needs such as food for the poor, and pther necessaties. God doesnt have a physical hand or a =bank account, He works charity through those who are aligned with His will concerning giving to the poor. just using riches as an example, God freely Gives of all things but what we ask for apart from His will will lead us astray

 

[Depleted]

Can anyone give just one scripture that speak direct against WOF? Not the health and wealth message, but something that would say words of faith are of the devil or evil, or even that they don't work. That is what many of you teach, so please, I urge you to feel free to back up your doctrine with scripture that deals specifically with WOF.
Can anyone tell me how WOF is suppose to work, seeing that the charismatic movement has it wrong?
Can anyone do that?
Is anyone willing?

15 months of this garbage and you're still not listening. Yeah! It's been said. That you won't listen is your problem.

I am so terribly tired of the WoF crew belting out the false gospel until everyone else leaves, and then pats themselves on the back as if that is victory. It isn't. It's bait and switch for the new and naive.

An old word for WoF -- Pharisee.

Now, please continue, and don't forget the back pats.

 

[tourist]

Don't even know what WoF means.

 

[oldethennew]

me either, Tourist, and we don't want to know as we're not into
the 'who's who' in the denominational derby -

we're just directly into Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit being our middle-Man of His good and precious Words...