The wisdom of this world or the wisdom of God

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The wisdom of the world or the wisdom of God, which do you speak?

We know by scripture that the world by its own wisdom knows not God. Just as we know the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God and that God made foolish the wisdom of this world. But most people still speak the wisdom of this world, including many carnal Christians. This concept is also shown in the parable of the 5 wise and 5 foolish virgins. The wise had the wisdom that only comes from God by His Spirit (oil in their lamps), but the foolish had the wisdom of the world by the spirit of this world, which would in turn leave them in the dark.

I believe the reason most carnal Christians still speak the wisdom of this world is because that is where they seek wisdom from. And that is from sources written by other carnally minded men, and not from the wisdom that comes from God alone by faith.


When Paul would speak foolishness he would say he speaks “as a man,”referring to the way a carnally minded man would think and speak. Paul would also say he speaks after “the manner of men”so that those who were yet carnal might relate to and even perhaps comprehend what he was saying. The carnal mind and manner of men is the same manner and mind of the natural brute beast, who understands not the spiritual things of God.


This is also why Paul would say to the carnal members of the congregation that he could not speak unto them as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal. Paul also said they “walked as men”meaning they were still walking according to the flesh.


This carnal mind is of the flesh and is guided by the spirit of this world, thus it speaks of what it knows naturally and often judges by outward appearances. These 2 minds flesh/Spirit also strive against one another, which is why they will never agree and are in constant conflict. This is also why there are so many different divisions in thinking and interpretations of scripture in the man-made church system today, because not all have the wisdom, Spirit and mind of Christ.


Paul shows these 2 minds/2 spirits here, one being the wisdom of the world, the other being the Wisdom that only comes from God.


1 Corinthians 2:4-14
“And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom,but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:[SUP]5 [/SUP]That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

[SUP]6 [/SUP]Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:[SUP]7 [/SUP]But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.[SUP]9 [/SUP]But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.[SUP]11 [/SUP]For what man knoweththe things of a man,save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.[SUP]13 [/SUP]Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghostteacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.”

So stop going to the wrong source for understanding and Wisdom--->>> James 1:5-6 :)
 
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define wisdom.

that s a big word. in the world or in the spiritual etc
 
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define wisdom.

that s a big word. in the world or in the spiritual etc
That [SUP]G2443[/SUP] the God [SUP]G2316[/SUP] of our [SUP]G2257[/SUP] Lord [SUP]G2962[/SUP] Jesus [SUP]G2424[/SUP] Christ, [SUP]G5547[/SUP] the Father [SUP]G3962[/SUP] of glory, [SUP]G1391[/SUP] may give [SUP]G1325[/SUP] unto you [SUP]G5213[/SUP] the spirit [SUP]G4151[/SUP] of wisdom [SUP]G4678[/SUP] and [SUP]G2532[/SUP] revelation [SUP]G602[/SUP] in [SUP]G1722[/SUP] the knowledge [SUP]G1922[/SUP] of him: [SUP]G846[/SUP]

The KJV translates Strong's G4678 in the following manner: wisdom (51x).

Outline of Bible usage.....


  1. wisdom, broad and full of intelligence; used of the knowledge of very diverse matters
    1. the wisdom which belongs to men
      1. spec. the varied knowledge of things human and divine, acquired by acuteness and experience, and summed up in maxims and proverbs
      2. the science and learning
      3. the act of interpreting dreams and always giving the sagest advice
      4. the intelligence evinced in discovering the meaning of some mysterious number or vision
      5. skill in the management of affairs
      6. devout and proper prudence in intercourse with men not disciples of Christ, skill and discretion in imparting Christian truth
      7. the knowledge and practice of the requisites for godly and upright living
    2. supreme intelligence, such as belongs to God
      1. to Christ
      2. the wisdom of God as evinced in forming and executing counsels in the formation and government of the world and the scriptures


From the root σοφία sophía, sof-ee'-ah; from G4680; wisdom (higher or lower, worldly or spiritual):—wisdom.
 
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I believe the reason most carnal Christians still speak the wisdom of this world is because that is where they seek wisdom from. And that is from sources written by other carnally minded men, and not from the wisdom that comes from God alone by faith.
"And that is from sources written by other carnally minded men"........the irony in what you have written is palpable.:rolleyes:
 
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"And that is from sources written by other carnally minded men"........the irony in what you have written is palpable.:rolleyes:
Let's see if you can palpabitize this, from the OP---->>>>
So stop going to the wrong source for understanding and Wisdom--->>> James 1:5-6 :)
James 1:5-6

[SUP]5 [/SUP]If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

[SUP]6 [/SUP]But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
 
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Let's see if you can palpabitize this, from the OP---->>>>

James 1:5-6

[SUP]5 [/SUP]If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

[SUP]6 [/SUP]But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
I agree. None should go to you for wisdom.
 
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We need a fruit check on post #6 and #7, fruit check please!

Better check yourself before you wreck yourself. :)

Hebrews 6:8
But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
 
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that s funny, but when can the carnal mind, understand anything that come from the spiritual, without using your mind.

19 If all were a single member, where would the body be?

and if all were appointed judges, ware would a saviour be.
 
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That [SUP]G2443[/SUP] the God [SUP]G2316[/SUP] of our [SUP]G2257[/SUP] Lord [SUP]G2962[/SUP] Jesus [SUP]G2424[/SUP] Christ, [SUP]G5547[/SUP] the Father [SUP]G3962[/SUP] of glory, [SUP]G1391[/SUP] may give [SUP]G1325[/SUP] unto you [SUP]G5213[/SUP] the spirit [SUP]G4151[/SUP] of wisdom [SUP]G4678[/SUP] and [SUP]G2532[/SUP] revelation [SUP]G602[/SUP] in [SUP]G1722[/SUP] the knowledge [SUP]G1922[/SUP] of him: [SUP]G846[/SUP]

The KJV translates Strong's G4678 in the following manner: wisdom (51x).

Outline of Bible usage.....


  1. wisdom, broad and full of intelligence; used of the knowledge of very diverse matters
    1. the wisdom which belongs to men
      1. spec. the varied knowledge of things human and divine, acquired by acuteness and experience, and summed up in maxims and proverbs
      2. the science and learning
      3. the act of interpreting dreams and always giving the sagest advice
      4. the intelligence evinced in discovering the meaning of some mysterious number or vision
      5. skill in the management of affairs
      6. devout and proper prudence in intercourse with men not disciples of Christ, skill and discretion in imparting Christian truth
      7. the knowledge and practice of the requisites for godly and upright living
    2. supreme intelligence, such as belongs to God
      1. to Christ
      2. the wisdom of God as evinced in forming and executing counsels in the formation and government of the world and the scriptures


From the root σοφία sophía, sof-ee'-ah; from G4680; wisdom (higher or lower, worldly or spiritual):—wisdom.
would translation and meaning not play a hand , before you get to wisdom
for example
1)so me knowing how to peal a potato , i would also need to know how to use a potato pealer.

2)knowing, how to lie, would i need the truth, to to understand what a lie is.
 
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We need a fruit check on post #1 and #5, fruit check please!

Better check yourself before you wreck yourself. :)

Hebrews 6:8
But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
There, I fixed that for ya. :)
 
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that s funny, but when can the carnal mind, understand anything that come from the spiritual, without using your mind.

19 If all were a single member, where would the body be?
It is written a man can receive nothing except it be given to him from heaven, so the revelation of the spiritual things of God comes by God revealing it to us. Also the body is one with many members, but it is supposed to have one Spirit, one head, and one mind, which is Christ's.
 
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It is written a man can receive nothing except it be given to him from heaven, so the revelation of the spiritual things of God comes by God revealing it to us. Also the body is one with many members, but it is supposed to have one Spirit, one head, and one mind, which is Christ's.
would translation and meaning not play a hand , before you get to wisdom
for example
1)so me knowing how to peal a potato , i would also need to know how to use a potato pealer.

2)knowing, how to lie, would i need the truth, to to understand what a lie is.

do you want to answer number 2. point and we will go from there.
 
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would translation and meaning not play a hand , before you get to wisdom
for example
1)so me knowing how to peal a potato , i would also need to know how to use a potato pealer.

2)knowing, how to lie, would i need the truth, to to understand what a lie is.

do you want to answer number 2. point and we will go from there.
1) I believe knowing how to peal a potato would have to do more with worldly knowledge than spiritual wisdom, after all you do not need to have the Holy Spirit to peal a potato.

2)Also I believe lying comes naturally for many and does not need to know the spiritual truth in order to lie, this lying spirit is also of the world and is not of God's Spirit of Truth.
 

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1) I believe knowing how to peal a potato would have to do more with worldly knowledge than spiritual wisdom, after all you do not need to have the Holy Spirit to peal a potato.
True, but you would still need a spirit to peel a potatoes according James 2:26,

5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
6 Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom.
7 Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean: wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.
8 Make me to hear joy and gladness; that the bones which thou hast broken may rejoice.
9 Hide thy face from my sins, and blot out all mine iniquities.
10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.
Ps 51:5-12

2)Also I believe lying comes naturally for many and does not need to know the spiritual truth in order to lie, this lying spirit is also of the world and is not of God's Spirit of Truth.
Right, when they lie they speak of their own because there is no truth in them.

18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts. 19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. 20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. 21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?
Eccl 3:18-21
 
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we definitely do not need to 'know-a-truth before we understand what a 'lie' is...

we continually 'lie' as children and have no idea what the real-truth is, we lie because
it is in our nature 'before Christ'...and After Christ, the 'over-coming' and desire to
walk in The Light begins and never stops...
 
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So.....Being as wise as a SERPENT, but as harmless as a dove.....

Which wisdom is he talking about as applied unto the serpent?