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stonesoffire

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You are taught to keep even the least Commandment and teach them.

You are taught the Great Commandments and the second like it...

Those that Love GOD keep the Commandments.

Try not to throw the veil over those that are sharing the New Testament.. it hardens your heart not mine.
Look at the word keep in the greek. It's not what you think.
 
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Well sadly people keep redefining scripture away from the truth, so I have to check for understanding, I thought you were a teacher you should know this...always looking to trip me up...so funny:D
I'm not a teacher.
 

AllenW

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There's a lot going on here Allen. Drop the bitterness. Is bad for you.
Lol, no bitterness here dear.
The problem is that you think you are right in judging my character, but you are wrong.
You think you are right in understanding Scripture, but you are wrong.
You think you understand the Holy Spirit, but by what you say, you prove that you don't.
You find criticizing others as being sanctioned by God.

Put it all together
and I can honestly say that I am speaking nice to you, considering what I could be saying.
 
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You don't know?

It's quite deceptive, actually.

Some of the "other side" has a few people whose specialty is to post little random "almost related" things to those who are making headway into the thread to merely "sidetrack" them, to pull them off course.

First, one starts it, then others come in with secondary questions to divide your attention from the first one, & so on, & so forth

It divides your time, your focus, & your purpose.

It's tactic designed to wear you down & make you leave.

I've seen it for a few years..... and it works.
No one could wear me down...
I do have a home to maintain and a family to serve.
A work for God.
 

stonesoffire

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Lol, no bitterness here dear.
The problem is that you think you are right in judging my character, but you are wrong.
You think you are right in understanding Scripture, but you are wrong.
You think you understand the Holy Spirit, but by what you say, you prove that you don't.
You find criticizing others as being sanctioned by God.

Put it all together
and I can honestly say that I am speaking nice to you, considering what I could be saying.
Then counter with the scriptures that I am misinterpreting Allen.

That is all one has to do.
 

loveme1

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Actually I don't. But, how do you think we renew our minds loveme? Not by law. We don't build on the foundation of Messiah by law either. This is the truth. We are freed from having to obey by rote, that we can live by Spirit.

The law of the Spirit of life....in Christ Jesus. Free to be led...and He won't lead us to sin. Why we are being accused of sinful minds I cannot understand.

We are lifting up the Cross of Jesus Christ. This is what draws all men. Not you have to do this or that and be perfect.

I am sure you are not perfect or you would rapture away. We are in-en a fixed position- in Christ!

One needs to be Baptized with the Holy Spirit.

The Messiah leads us on the path of righteousness.

Lifting up the cross? He was then Resurrected.. It was His blood that paid the price... so that He can redeem us.

My heart believes Him who tells me to be perfect... and be righteous... because he tells me to be...

The power of the cross is GOD.. whom we are to worship in Spirit and Truth.

You and I share a different Gospel and there is only one Everlasting.

GOD knows which of it is. I'm content to continue sharing the Truth and run the race patiently.
 

stonesoffire

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Stone,
You have a really bad understanding of Jesus' teachings.
You and others here.
Jesus was ministering under the law Fran. Fulfilling the prophecies spoken and He did each one. All the sacrifices fulfilled by His life in some way.

So the law is done...Passed away and a new way of living is now. The revelation is given to Paul about the body of Christ.

Jesus didn't mention any of this because He had a different mission.

No one says break the commandments. There is where I think we have a divide. Not by obedience of rote such as the Jews had, but by life in the Spirit.

The new and living way that Hebrews speaks of.
 

loveme1

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Look at the word keep in the greek. It's not what you think.

If you think after everything that came to pass and being drawn, broken made New.. that a Greek meaning of the word Keep can draw me away... then you are mistaken.

It would be better for GOD to take my life than me draw back from His Love and Truth bestowed upon me.

I love GOD because He loved me first.. I take His grace not for granted...

i will serve my first love always and forever...

No deceit will draw me from my Master.

if I go to hell I will love Him for eternity... for I was lost and He found me even after all my sin.
 

stonesoffire

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One needs to be Baptized with the Holy Spirit.

The Messiah leads us on the path of righteousness.

Lifting up the cross? He was then Resurrected.. It was His blood that paid the price... so that He can redeem us.

My heart believes Him who tells me to be perfect... and be righteous... because he tells me to be...

The power of the cross is GOD.. whom we are to worship in Spirit and Truth.

You and I share a different Gospel and there is only one Everlasting.

GOD knows which of it is. I'm content to continue sharing the Truth and run the race patiently.
I agree with you about the baptism of Holy Spirit. Then we go on to tabernacles. The glory. The glory will fill the house.

But, our righteousness is imputed. The problem is that we live upright...and are confusing the imputed with a good moral life.

We cannot ever match the work the of Christ as one individual but the body as a whole will. When I say Christ...anointing of Him.

Then the glory fills all the house of God.
 

stonesoffire

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If you think after everything that came to pass and being drawn, broken made New.. that a Greek meaning of the word Keep can draw me away... then you are mistaken.

It would be better for GOD to take my life than me draw back from His Love and Truth bestowed upon me.

I love GOD because He loved me first.. I take His grace not for granted...

i will serve my first love always and forever...

No deceit will draw me from my Master.

if I go to hell I will love Him for eternity... for I was lost and He found me even after all my sin.
I have said those same things loveme. So where are we divided?

Law? Versus grace? Grace is the unmerited power of Holy Spirit, the divine influence in our life which reflects His nature outwardly, inwardly.

Why does one need law when we have Holy Spirit?
 

stonesoffire

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If you think after everything that came to pass and being drawn, broken made New.. that a Greek meaning of the word Keep can draw me away... then you are mistaken.

It would be better for GOD to take my life than me draw back from His Love and Truth bestowed upon me.

I love GOD because He loved me first.. I take His grace not for granted...

i will serve my first love always and forever...

No deceit will draw me from my Master.

if I go to hell I will love Him for eternity... for I was lost and He found me even after all my sin.

I will tell you anyway what keep means.

It is to guard in your heart...love it...When we love something, we will "keep" it. Precious to us.
 

loveme1

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I agree with you about the baptism of Holy Spirit. Then we go on to tabernacles. The glory. The glory will fill the house.

But, our righteousness is imputed. The problem is that we live upright...and are confusing the imputed with a good moral life.

We cannot ever match the work the of Christ as one individual but the body as a whole will. When I say Christ...anointing of Him.

Then the glory fills all the house of God.

We are to obey Him.. it is labouring in love... I have yet to see a person built upon Good foundation boast of his works as though they saved themselves.. all have fallen and been broken only to be made New and want to love and obey. I have yet to see anyone ask for anything...

They know their Lord will come with His reward and give each according to their works of Faith.
 

loveme1

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I have said those same things loveme. So where are we divided?

Law? Versus grace? Grace is the unmerited power of Holy Spirit, the divine influence in our life which reflects His nature outwardly, inwardly.

Why does one need law when we have Holy Spirit?
Are you asking me or GOD?

Can we have the Holy Spirit if we love and delight not in His law?
 

stonesoffire

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The baptism of Holy Spirit is given because we believe He will do it.

Belief is obedience.

Unbelief disobedience.

These are terms that must be understood.
 

stonesoffire

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Jesus is the walking living Torah of God by the way. And we who are His...from the least to the greatest love Him. He who is the law walking.
 

stonesoffire

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We are to obey Him.. it is labouring in love... I have yet to see a person built upon Good foundation boast of his works as though they saved themselves.. all have fallen and been broken only to be made New and want to love and obey. I have yet to see anyone ask for anything...

They know their Lord will come with His reward and give each according to their works of Faith.
We are to believe His Word. That is obedience. Believing leads to faith which is substance in the supernatural realm and moves the hand of God to fulfill His Word.
 

stonesoffire

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All of this is foundational truth which if one doesn't understand...all kinds of thoughts will intervene and muddy what should be living water flowing from within us.

That living water is refreshing...not stale tasteless, but full of life giving properties that will enrich us body, soul, and spirit; and then we give a cup to the world.
 

loveme1

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The baptism of Holy Spirit is given because we believe He will do it.

Belief is obedience.

Unbelief disobedience.

These are terms that must be understood.

So then believe His Testimony... lvm1 is not telling you to Keep the Commandments... Lvm1 is not saying those that Love GOD keep them.. consider it for a moment.... I'm relaying the message.. it is of no private interpretation.. I know not why GOD chose me to share His Truth... im the least... but I must share it... I seek nothing.. I was actually hiding the treasure and told off.. told I must remember my First love... so here I am.. sharing and hope many will be dazzled by the light I share which I deserve not... so I know the Grace and love of GOD and His long suffering.
 
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My heart is not harden and it will not be harden when the love of Christ Jesus and

His sacrifice on the cross is in full view and accepted as the truth and not obstructed by interjecting the law.


I am trying to understand your teachings in light of the clear Gospel and scripture.

Are you referring to the ten commandments, these cannot be separated from the others.

You are taught to keep even the least Commandment and teach them.

You are taught the Great Commandments and the second like it...

Those that Love GOD keep the Commandments.

Try not to throw the veil over those that are sharing the New Testament.. it hardens your heart not mine.