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yeah I hear ya...weighed about 62 kilos at 18....12 weeks later Marine Boot Camp I was about 85 Kilos (all muscle) and even at 50 I stay in shape and weigh about the same (85 kilos) HAHHA.....
I wanted to join the military. Tried to join the army about 2 years ago, but wasn't allowed cos I failed the online medical questionnaire. Because I have history of self harm from my past, I won't ever be allowed to join.

I applied to join the paratroopers. They and the marines are both amazing :) it sounds BRILLIANT that they got you up and that now you're 50 and still in shape :) keep drinking water and working out :) you'll live a long time :)
 
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I wanted to join the military. Tried to join the army about 2 years ago, but wasn't allowed cos I failed the online medial questionnaire. Because I have history of self harm from my past, I won't ever be allowed to join.

I applied to join the paratroopers. They and the marines are both amazing :) it sounds BRILLIANT that they got you up and that now you're 50 and still in shape :) keep drinking water and working out :) you'll live a long time :)

Nothing but water and tea and coffee HAHAH and don't smoke or drink (maybe a glass of wine every now and then) and plenty of physical labor on my 50 acres food plots for deer and turkey and wood splitting....which I burn for winter
 
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Nothing but water and tea and coffee HAHAH and don't smoke or drink (maybe a glass of wine every now and then) and plenty of physical labor on my 50 acres.food plots for deer and turkey and wood splitting....which I burn for winter
Nahh, I don't drink or smoke either. i have had thoughts of having a drink of wine every now and then, but then just think of my body and don't want to. The physical labour is really good :) it's also fun :) so a benefit to doing it, not only benefitting your body as your workout, but that you enjoy doing it too :)

That sounds really cool that you cut wood so you can use it in the winter :) I only have gas or electric fires in my house, which are crap in comparison to wood stoves. Wood stoves are the best :)
 
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Re: Why dont yall spot Satans tricks to get you to fight?

If you have no real clue of what you have been criticizing for a year and half, perhaps it really is time you stopped criticizing it, and get about doing that which you say you just want to do. Praise Jesus if you actually do that, it would be a miracle!
I am so not offended.

I am not criticising people, I am saying they are in rebellion against the word of God.
Jesus says obey, walk in my commands, love one another as I have loved you.

Yes that is tough, had, difficult. But this is the point, God is wanting to say us, the lost
those affar off, who live in darkness and who tend to attack each other and want to win.

And I praise Jesus all the time, I just know there are so many internal conflicts in people
as soon as one starts talking about openness, honesty, confession, repentance, feeling sorrow
for the hurt one causes, loving others despite their failures and weaknesses all hell breaks loose.

There has to be some spiritual vested interest to oppose God this deeply, over these issues,
because this is the gospel clear and simple. I have shared this since I was 16 years old, and it
has become more real and deeper in me as I have grown older.

Among christians I expected celebration and agreement over these points.
As some do not agree, then for me they do not know Christ.

Evil-doers do evil, not some belief system or odd way of looking at the gospel, just evil.
And trying to turn me into a liar, evil, a slanderer, a reprobate is just laughable.

I just stand on simple understandings and walking in the light.
But somehow you will try and find something wrong with this. I am sure the enemy rejoices
in this destructive exercise but it only confirms where you are.

The 10 commandments are simple.
Love God
Honour His name
Do not have idols
Keep the sabbath
Honour ones parents
Do not murder
Do not steal
Do not commit adultery
Do not bear false witness
Do not covert

Some say we are not under these principles any more.
But Jesus says we fulfil them by loving people.
When we walk in the Spirit because our hearts desire righteousness and doing
the right things, it flows from us.

The real question is how does someone go from a statement of faith to mature
walking in Christs ways? That is sanctification and discipleship which many lack.

It is obvious to me those who have failed to walk this road excuse themselves by
claiming they did not need to walk it, they are loved by God just as much in their sin,
as they would be if they walked in maturity.

My answer is yes, as long as they are actually desiring maturity and will pay the price,
if not it is foolishness, and an empty faith. The pharisees said the were chosen yet
Jesus called their father as the father of lies. So you can have much religious and faith
knowledge and be doomed and lost, convinced you know everything.

The only distinguishing factor is love from the heart.

What makes me laugh, is I have used this argument now for years, and I am told I do not
know God or Gods love. So to those people I can just say God bless, I look forward to the
Lord meeting us both on that day, for my Lord overflows in truth and righteousness, and the
truth will be shown with a blinding light, so none will doubt were things really are.

I do not fear Him, because I know the work He has done in me, and I rejoice in who He is.
So I invite you to walk with Him, in repentance and faith and learn the way of love from
the heart. Amen.
 
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Re: Why dont yall spot Satans tricks to get you to fight?

(facepalm)

Not even gonna try tonight...I think I need prayer time,and less CC time.
 
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has to be some spiritual vested interest to oppose God this deeply, over these issues,because this is the gospel clear and simple.
Man seperated from God from birth of his own volition cannot seek after God who has no form
and thefore has no understanding other than the imaginations of his own heart .(the human source of faith).

It is the worrk of God that we can belive Him.

As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. Rom 3:10


Because (cause ad effect) he first loved us by paying the full sin wage. We can Love Him with all our heart soul and mind. He does not give partial payment.

His grace, our teacher continually teaches us to say no to self righteousness. If he has begun the good works He will finish by His work of faith just as he promises us.

Yes, the man without the spirit of Chrsit (natural man) cannot understand the things of the Spirit of Christ, the Holy Spirit of God .They must be born again… given a new spirit that will never die as those who have passed from death(eternal damnation) to new sprit life (eternal life)before they can love God, as in knowing Him.

We love Him because(cause and effect) he first loved us freely, with no cost o our behalf giving us a new spirit and heart. As a new creation we have to he mind of Chrsit it is not something we are born with.

Have you been born again and therefore have passed from the wage of death, to the free gift of eternal life?

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.Co 2:13
 
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Re: Why dont yall spot Satans tricks to get you to fight?

The 10 commandments are simple.
Love God
Honour His name
Do not have idols
Keep the sabbath
Honour ones parents
Do not murder
Do not steal
Do not commit adultery
Do not bear false witness
Do not covert
The letter as the purpose of God Kills, the spirit of faith, not seen, creates new creatures

Simply no man can keep the whole law of God, at whatever point they stumble over the power/authority of the cross(Christ's source of grace) they will be found guity of violating the whole law.

The word keep to a Christian means.... to guard something with all thier heart soul and mind as the fruit of thanksgiving. It fulfills the whole Royal law. In the same way we love our neghbor as ourself


James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
 
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How can anyone say you don't trust in Messiah? If you do only you could know. Stop getting bent out of shape when I say " I know". To know is not a philosophy question it is I am familiar with His ways and am being perfected in Messiah's faith. This doesn't mean I am working for salvation it means I'm working in salvation. There is a difference
 
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No one can keep the ten commandments and is the reason why we need Jesus Christ on the cross and risen again.
 

JohnTalmid

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No one can keep the ten commandments and is the reason why we need Jesus Christ on the cross and risen again.
I know and I practice and am sanctified because of Messiah not my faithfulness. Why can't you believe that? Judgment is not just if you fail to seek understanding
 

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Re: Why dont yall spot Satans tricks to get you to fight?

Whole lot of "me's" and "I's" going on in here, Peter..


I am so not offended.

I am not criticising people, I am saying they are in rebellion against the word of God.
Jesus says obey, walk in my commands, love one another as I have loved you.

Yes that is tough, had, difficult. But this is the point, God is wanting to say us, the lost
those affar off, who live in darkness and who tend to attack each other and want to win.

And I praise Jesus all the time, I just know there are so many internal conflicts in people
as soon as one starts talking about openness, honesty, confession, repentance, feeling sorrow
for the hurt one causes, loving others despite their failures and weaknesses all hell breaks loose.

There has to be some spiritual vested interest to oppose God this deeply, over these issues,
because this is the gospel clear and simple. I have shared this since I was 16 years old, and it
has become more real and deeper in me as I have grown older.

Among christians I expected celebration and agreement over these points.
As some do not agree, then for me they do not know Christ.

Evil-doers do evil, not some belief system or odd way of looking at the gospel, just evil.
And trying to turn me into a liar, evil, a slanderer, a reprobate is just laughable.

I just stand on simple understandings and walking in the light.
But somehow you will try and find something wrong with this. I am sure the enemy rejoices
in this destructive exercise but it only confirms where you are.

The 10 commandments are simple.
Love God
Honour His name
Do not have idols
Keep the sabbath
Honour ones parents
Do not murder
Do not steal
Do not commit adultery
Do not bear false witness
Do not covert

Some say we are not under these principles any more.
But Jesus says we fulfil them by loving people.
When we walk in the Spirit because our hearts desire righteousness and doing
the right things, it flows from us.

The real question is how does someone go from a statement of faith to mature
walking in Christs ways? That is sanctification and discipleship which many lack.

It is obvious to me those who have failed to walk this road excuse themselves by
claiming they did not need to walk it, they are loved by God just as much in their sin,
as they would be if they walked in maturity.

My answer is yes, as long as they are actually desiring maturity and will pay the price,
if not it is foolishness, and an empty faith. The pharisees said the were chosen yet
Jesus called their father as the father of lies. So you can have much religious and faith
knowledge and be doomed and lost, convinced you know everything.

The only distinguishing factor is love from the heart.

What makes me laugh, is I have used this argument now for years, and I am told I do not
know God or Gods love. So to those people I can just say God bless, I look forward to the
Lord meeting us both on that day, for my Lord overflows in truth and righteousness, and the
truth will be shown with a blinding light, so none will doubt were things really are.

I do not fear Him, because I know the work He has done in me, and I rejoice in who He is.
So I invite you to walk with Him, in repentance and faith and learn the way of love from
the heart. Amen.
 
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Whole lot of "me's" and "I's" going on in here, Peter..
AMEN....par for the course with the "cake takers" and "workers for"........LORD, LORD, DID WE NOT DO many wonderful works in your name.....

A sad day indeed for those who trust self and their own works instead of actually trusting JESUS

Funny thing....most religions that name Jesus blends works into the equation....NO WONDER the number that claims to know Jesus and that trusts into their works is PLENTEOUS.......too bad they will be denied entry.....the door they chose (works) will not quite cut the proverbial mustard!
 
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No one can keep the ten commandments and is the reason why we need Jesus Christ on the cross and risen again.
AMEN to that...Most are oblivious to the fact that the law was given to show that we CANNOT meet God's standards and indeed points to the only cure....JESUS and faith.....not a blend of faith and works......a bad day for the workers for is coming....!
 
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How can anyone say you don't trust in Messiah? If you do only you could know. Stop getting bent out of shape when I say " I know". To know is not a philosophy question it is I am familiar with His ways and am being perfected in Messiah's faith. This doesn't mean I am working for salvation it means I'm working in salvation. There is a difference
Plenteous in number will be the group that claims to KNOW......just saying.....they claim to KNOW him and HIS ways.....yet in reality their trust was placed in what they DO and not in what HE has done.........there is not a JUST man upon this earth that does good and sins not....You do understand that the law was given to show YOU that YOU cannot keep the LAW....it points to the cure---->FAITH into JESUS...by the way...are you afraid to call his name....does using Messiah make you more spiritual? Just asking......
 

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I've been doing a personal research on these argumentative topics and almost all of them are written by Paul or his disciples. Which led me to read on them and found out that Paul was the first preverter of the teaching of Christ and that he is the source of division amongst Christian's. All thoughts are welcome.
The thoughts i have...

Is that what you believe or something that you have read and do not believe....

Be careful before you make a public accusation against Paul and proclaim that he was not guided by the Holy Spirit ..... That is an extremely serious accusation with Eternal consequences.. If you know what blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is then i think you will know why such an allegation has eternal consequences...
 

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Common sense dictates that there won't be any need of Christ and all the other manifestations of God showing us how to live the life if that was the case. God has never asked what religion or which manifestation of God you've been following or have accepted but how you've treated others. So it's the other way around in my opinion. It all depends on your treatment of others in other words by work alone you can be saved. Paul was a very depressed individual due to his internal conflict and guilt. So he came up with this quote to vindicate his own personal weakness. It's all about your deed not lip service.
"""in other words by work alone you can be saved.""""

Anyone who believe this and holds onto it till they die is doomed to the eternal lake of fire...

I see now he has been banned.. I am not surprised..
 
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The thoughts i have...

Is that what you believe or something that you have read and do not believe....

Be careful before you make a public accusation against Paul and proclaim that he was not guided by the Holy Spirit ..... That is an extremely serious accusation with Eternal consequences.. If you know what blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is then i think you will know why such an allegation has eternal consequences...
AMEN mate....especially since Paul was called out by JESUS, taught by JESUS (direct revelation), empowered by JESUS and SENT by JESUS..........

be down to Sydney in a week for a month.....woohoo......
 
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I don't about anyone else but I have nothing to boast about.

My works within myself to appease God are filthy rags.

However when I placed my faith in Jesus it was for forgiveness of my sins. Then it is God who works in me to do the good works in me to glorify Jesus and not myself.

When you did this for another you did it for me
Amen, It is about God. Not me.. I did, and can do nothing, everything I do comes from God.

because when I try to do it myself. It ever works right!!
 
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How can one say works are need for salvation when the bible states the following.

NOT by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to HIS MERCY HAS HE SAVED US

a. HAS saved us is PAST TENSE
b. HIM saving us was according to MERCY
c. HIM saving us was NOT BY WORKS of RIGHTEOUSNESS which WE HAVE DONE
d. WHICH WE HAVE DONE IS ALSO PAST TENSE

HOW can ANYONE believe in a works based salvation in light of this BIBLICAL TRUTH.....SCRIPTURE does not contradict itself....deduced one can conclude rightfully by this verse that WORKS of RIGHTEOUSNESS DO NOT SAVE.......