A clear explanation of the Trinity

[ZacharyB]

Ahhhh, the false prophetess Ellen G White. That explains much.

You moron ... cannot a true believer be deceived in some ways, but correct in others?
She happened to be an excellent student of Christian history.
But, I have never ever ever been a follower of White.
Please go back into your cave, and quit causing confusion in the body of Christ.
You are a disobedient abomination who thinks he is a true Christian.
disobedience proves unbelief (Heb 3).

 

[FreeNChrist]

You moron ... cannot a true believer be deceived in some ways, but correct in others?
She happened to be an excellent student of Christian history.
But, I have never ever ever been a follower of White.
Please go back into your cave, and quit causing confusion in the body of Christ.

......Ironic.

 

[FlSnookman7]

Welllll......that degraded quickly.

 

[Eleazar]

Thank you for your effort in trying to explain the Trinity.
However I still have some question as well as confusions about how it proves this doctrine.

And He will be called: … Mighty God …” (Isaiah 9:6)
Wouldn't the creator be called Almighty not just mighty ?

Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God.
Jesus Christ is over all, as you truthfully say. However Paul points out that it is with one exception since Jesus is, and will in the future subject himself to the Father. (1 Corinthians 15:28)

(Father) God, and the Word was God” (John 1:1)
Different translations render John 1:1 "the Word was Divine,...divine kind,...a God,..., divine being,....Godlike, and God.
Should we base such an important doctrines on copies of the extant manuscripts rather than the vagaries of our favorite translation ?

There are about 30 NT verses in which all 3 Persons of the Trinity are mentioned
If the fact that God, Jesus and the Holy spirit are mentioned together prove co-equality, what about God,Christ and the angels (Mark 13:32,1 Tim 5:21) Can we apply this rule to those and similar scriptures as well?

My biggest confusion is following statement:

He has revealed Himself as being One God in 3 Persons.
I was not able to find any scriptural reference for this and although you make this statement quite eloquently a scriptural quotation would be appriciated.
Should I really favor ambiguous, undocumented statements, cryptic passages of scriptures or questionable translation in favor of clear and unambiguous sciptures of Jesus position?

It is true that some of scriptures are prone to different interpretations and translations , some are certainly hard to understand, but should we not concentrate on texts that are clear and unequivocal and build a fondation for our doctrines on those?

Some of these fundamental scriptures, are uncontested and unquestioned amongst Bible writers and reveal that Jesus is God's firstborn and the beginning of his creation.

Some examples are:
That Jesus received the Holy Spirit at his baptism (not before).
That he was "sent"by God.
That he was subordinate to his Father.
That he subjected himself to God...,
That he obeyed his Father.
That he did nothing out of his own initiative
He did not do his own will...
His position was alloted by his Father.
Jesus stated "The Father is greater than I".
(Col 1:15; Re 1:1; 3:14, john 7:28,1 co15:28,joh6:38,Joh 8:28,Mt20:23)

I ask myself, where in the Bible would a person not acquainted with the teaching of the Trinity- and without theological coaxing - find a clear and incontestable indication that God is three person in one?

What would the same person by his or her own volition conclude from above quoted scriptures about the Father and Son relationship ?

It would seem paramount that had God changed his attributes from a monotheistic God to a triune one, (seemingly at the time of Jesus baptism) he would have clearly and indisputably said so.

 

[Dagallen]

I personally don't believe in the Trinity concept because I don't find such a concept in the Bible, sounds like another gospel that Jesus said, if any speaks another gospel, believe him not, I just don't see a Trinity in the writings.

 

[jaybird88]

i never understood how Jesus was tempted 3 times and according to James, the Most High can not be tempted.

 

[HisHolly]

Thats BC they are not the same..

i never understood how Jesus was tempted 3 times and according to James, the Most High can not be tempted.

 

[Grace777x70]

It is the same Greek word for "trial, test, and tempt". To be tempted means a testing or a trial.

Read James 1:2 and James 1:12 - these have the Greek word "test, trial, temptation" used as a noun. Then read James 1:13 - this Greek word is the verb of the same word used in James 1:2, 12.

If you prayerfully meditate on this truth - you may come to some conclusions that may interfere with what we were religiously taught about "being tempted and being tested"

 

[Awakened]

It is the same Greek word for "trial, test, and tempt". To be tempted means a testing or a trial.

Read James 1:2 and James 1:12 - these have the Greek word "test, trial, temptation" used as a noun. Then read James 1:13 - this Greek word is the verb of the same word used in James 1:2, 12.

If you prayerfully meditate on this truth - you may come to some conclusions that may interfere with what we were religiously taught about "being tempted and being tested"

I always thought, to tempt and to test were two separate things. Satan - tempts. God- test Is that wrong?

 

[jaybird88]

Thats BC they are not the same..

Hebrews 4:15
For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin.

James 1:13
Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God,” for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one.


3985. peirazó
Strong's Concordance
peirazó: to make proof of, to attempt, test, tempt

same word both passages

 

[jaybird88]

It is the same Greek word for "trial, test, and tempt". To be tempted means a testing or a trial.

Read James 1:2 and James 1:12 - these have the Greek word "test, trial, temptation" used as a noun. Then read James 1:13 - this Greek word is the verb of the same word used in James 1:2, 12.

If you prayerfully meditate on this truth - you may come to some conclusions that may interfere with what we were religiously taught about "being tempted and being tested"

i need more medication.

 

[HisHolly]

I meant Jesus and God are not the same.. idk if you knew that

Hebrews 4:15
For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin.

James 1:13
Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God,” for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one.


3985. peirazó
Strong's Concordance
peirazó: to make proof of, to attempt, test, tempt

same word both passages

 

[jaybird88]

I meant Jesus and God are not the same.. idk if you knew that

i thought you meant the temptation was not the same, ok i got you now.

 

[jaybird88]

i need more medication.

i meant meditation not medication.

im tired. . .

 

[Base12]

I ask myself, where in the Bible would a person not acquainted with the teaching of the Trinity- and without theological coaxing - find a clear and incontestable indication that God is three person in one?

Realize the Bible is a Science Book and you will find your answer hidden in plain sight...

 

[Dagallen]

The most high cannot be tempted would be correct but Jesus could be tempted and was, that reveals slot.

 

[prove-all]

Some of these fundamental scriptures, are uncontested and unquestioned amongst
Bible writers and reveal that Jesus is God's firstborn and the beginning of his creation.

Some examples are:
That Jesus received the Holy Spirit at his baptism (not before).

I agree the bible does not explain the Trinity.
I agree with most you have posted, but a couple things to look at

15He hath made the earth (by his power), he hath established the world by (his wisdom),
and hath stretched out the heaven by (his understanding).

5I have made the earth, the man and the beast that are upon the ground, (by my great power)
and by my outstretched arm, (and have given it) (unto whom it seemed meet unto me).

-I believe the Holy Spirit Is the very Power of God , given to who he wants.

Isaiah 40:3 (KJV)

15For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord,
and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink;
and he shall be (filled with) the Holy Ghost, (even from his mother's womb).

34For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God:
(for God giveth) (not the Spirit by measure unto him).

-Jesus had Gods power, given from conception.

God was the administor of the Holy spirit in the Old Test.,
now risen Christ does. per parable of pounds and talents.


Luke 2:40 (KJV)
And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom:
and the grace of God was upon him.

at age 30 He was anointed for minstry[before being tempted]
but Jesus did have the Holy Spirit from the womb.
maybe this is when he recieved the fullmeasure of the Spirit?

Acts 10:38 (KJV)
How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power:
who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil;
for God was with him.

14And Jesus returned in (the power) of the Spirit into Galilee:

Behold my servant, whom I uphold; (mine elect), in whom my soul delighteth;
I have put (my spirit) upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

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35And the angel answered and said unto her, (The Holy Ghost) shall come upon thee,
and (the power of the Highest) shall overshadow thee: therefore also
that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called (the Son of God).

why is Jesus called the Son of God and not the son of the Holy spirit?
The Holy Ghost came into Mary, would not Jesus be called his Son.

-
and the Word was [with] God
The same was in the beginning [with] God.

-two beings agreeing as one together before time.

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
God became the Father, the Word became the Son, 2 beings

-

now the begetting agent that comes from God, the Holy Spirit is the earnest or
down payment, of our salvation (Ephesians 1:14; Romans 8:16).
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But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised
up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.​

-what about blasphemes against the Holy Spirit ? blaspheme is associated
with attributing Jesus works or [the power of God] to that of demons.

 

[jaybird88]

I agree the bible does not explain the Trinity.
I agree with most you have posted, but a couple things to look at

15He hath made the earth (by his power), he hath established the world by (his wisdom),
and hath stretched out the heaven by (his understanding).

5I have made the earth, the man and the beast that are upon the ground, (by my great power)
and by my outstretched arm, (and have given it) (unto whom it seemed meet unto me).

-I believe the Holy Spirit Is the very Power of God , given to who he wants.

Isaiah 40:3 (KJV)

15For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord,
and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink;
and he shall be (filled with) the Holy Ghost, (even from his mother's womb).

34For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God:
(for God giveth) (not the Spirit by measure unto him).

-Jesus had Gods power, given from conception.

God was the administor of the Holy spirit in the Old Test.,
now risen Christ does. per parable of pounds and talents.


Luke 2:40 (KJV)
And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom:
and the grace of God was upon him.

at age 30 He was anointed for minstry[before being tempted]
but Jesus did have the Holy Spirit from the womb.
maybe this is when he recieved the fullmeasure of the Spirit?

Acts 10:38 (KJV)
How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power:
who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil;
for God was with him.

14And Jesus returned in (the power) of the Spirit into Galilee:

Behold my servant, whom I uphold; (mine elect), in whom my soul delighteth;
I have put (my spirit) upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

-

35And the angel answered and said unto her, (The Holy Ghost) shall come upon thee,
and (the power of the Highest) shall overshadow thee: therefore also
that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called (the Son of God).

why is Jesus called the Son of God and not the son of the Holy spirit?
The Holy Ghost came into Mary, would not Jesus be called his Son.

-
and the Word was [with] God
The same was in the beginning [with] God.

-two beings agreeing as one together before time.

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
God became the Father, the Word became the Son, 2 beings

-

now the begetting agent that comes from God, the Holy Spirit is the earnest or
down payment, of our salvation (Ephesians 1:14; Romans 8:16).

But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised
up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.​

-what about blasphemes against the Holy Spirit ? blaspheme is associated
with attributing Jesus works or [the power of God] to that of demons.

i agree that Jesus had the Fathers power, the spirit of His Father from birth.
scripture also tells us Jesus grew in wisdom and He was taught by His Father. so all the wisdom of the Most High wasnt there from birth but it was a process. then there is the event of His baptism. was that the moment His wisdom was complete?

 

[prove-all]

scripture also tells us Jesus grew in wisdom and He was taught by His Father.
so all the wisdom of the Most High wasnt there from birth but it was a process.
then there is the event of His baptism. was that the moment His wisdom was complete?

I know the event of His baptism was anoiting His ministery started ,
yes fullmeasure, then for sure top form ready for battle.

yes Jesus grew in wisdom and He was taught by His Father.
I am just thankful that Jesus had enough for his journey what level or when.
and then He was tempted right away, but satan was defeated.

At this point he quilified to take over the devils rule of this world,
but he had other timming in mind, and other things to accomplish.

This is when He could proclaim the comming Kingdom of God, was a done deal.
but soon comming to a pollutated earth near us, before we totaly nuke ourselves.


-the boy grew in wisdom - yes.

I wonder when, or if little boy Jesus could remember this, his past ?

And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self
with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

 

[prove-all]

wisdom


1Doth not wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice?

2She standeth in the top of high places, by the way in
the places of the paths.

3She crieth at the gates, at the entry of the city, at the coming
in at the doors.

4Unto you, O men, I call; and my voice is to the sons of man.

5 O ye simple, understand wisdom: and, ye fools, be ye of an understanding heart.

(Proverbs 8:1-22-31 still about wisdom)

22The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way,
before his works of old.

23)From ancient times I was installed, From the start,
from times earlier than the earth.

24)When there were no deep waters, I was brought forth,
When there were no springs overflowing with water.

25)Before the mountains were set in place,
Before the hills, I was brought forth,

26)When he had not yet made the earth and its fields Or the first clods of earth’s soil.

27)When he prepared the heavens, I was there; When he marked out
the horizon on the surface of the waters,

28)When he established the clouds above, When he founded the fountains of the deep,

29)When he set a decree for the sea That its waters should not pass beyond his order,
When he established the foundations of the earth,

30)Then I was beside him as a master worker. I was the one he was especially fond
of day by day; I rejoiced before him all the time;

31)I rejoiced over his habitable earth, And I was especially fond of the sons of men


- in the begining was the word, and the word was with God John 1:2

-John 17:24 Father, because you loved me before the founding of the world

-1john 4:9 God sent his only-begotten Son

-John 8:29; And the One who sent me is with me; he did not abandon me to myself,
because I always do the things pleasing to him.

-col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God,
the firstborn of every creature:

-Matthew 13:35 Jesus said: I will proclaim things hidden since the founding....

All things were created by Christ, in heaven, earth, visible, invisible, spiritual forces (Col 1:16),
All things are sustained by Christ (Col 1:17),

2“The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him — the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding,

Who is as the wise man? and who knoweth the interpretation of a thing?
a man's wisdom maketh his face to shine, and the boldness of his face shall be changed

Hast thou heard the secret of God?
and dost thou restrain wisdom to thyself?