A clear explanation of the Trinity

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Dan58

Dan58

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jaybird88 said:
i never understood how Jesus was tempted 3 times and according to James, the Most High can not be tempted.
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It says that Jesus was tempted of the Devil in the wilderness, it doesn't say Jesus was tempted. "Being forty days tempted of the devil" (Luke 4:2). If you offered me a bowl of asparagus, my answer would be 'no'. Since I hate asparagus, there would be no temptation to it. God hates sin, so did Christ.

Imo, there's but one God.. The trinity or tri-unity just describes the 3 attributes of a single Godhead, the 3 work and have always existed as one entity.

Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth". Here, Elohiym is the plural form of God. Therefore, as scripture was inspired and man began to write the Word, it was evident to the writers that God was made of more than 1 Person, but at the same time there was a single Godhead.

The Father is the unseen, omnipresent Source of all being, revealed in and by the Son, experienced in and by the Holy Spirit. The Son proceeds from the Father, and the Spirit from the Son. With reference to God's creation, the Father is the Thought behind it, the Son is the Word calling it forth, and the Spirit is the Deed making it a reality.

Just as a person thinks, speaks, and acts, God is all knowledge, Christ is the expression and manifestation, and the Spirit is the action and deed. The 3 are united persona's of one entity that best describes the Godhead.
 
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Dan58 said:
It says that Jesus was tempted of the Devil in the wilderness, it doesn't say Jesus was tempted. "Being forty days tempted of the devil" (Luke 4:2). If you offered me a bowl of asparagus, my answer would be 'no'. Since I hate asparagus, there would be no temptation to it. God hates sin, so did Christ.

Imo, there's but one God.. The trinity or tri-unity just describes the 3 attributes of a single Godhead, the 3 work and have always existed as one entity.

Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth". Here, Elohiym is the plural form of God. Therefore, as scripture was inspired and man began to write the Word, it was evident to the writers that God was made of more than 1 Person, but at the same time there was a single Godhead.

The Father is the unseen, omnipresent Source of all being, revealed in and by the Son, experienced in and by the Holy Spirit. The Son proceeds from the Father, and the Spirit from the Son. With reference to God's creation, the Father is the Thought behind it, the Son is the Word calling it forth, and the Spirit is the Deed making it a reality.

Just as a person thinks, speaks, and acts, God is all knowledge, Christ is the expression and manifestation, and the Spirit is the action and deed. The 3 are united persona's of one entity that best describes the Godhead.
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i guess i dont understand the difference between tempted and tempted??
 
Dan58

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jaybird88 said:
i guess i dont understand the difference between tempted and tempted??
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Satan did tempt Christ, but imo, Christ wasn't tempted by what Satan offered. When the devil offered Jesus all the kingdoms of the world if Christ would just fall down and worship him, Jesus didn't say; "That's a tempting offer, let me think about it". He essentially told the devil to take a hike, and immediately responded; "Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve" (Matthew 4:10). So my point was; the devils temptation was not a temptation to Christ, you can't be tempted by something you have no interest in... jmo

 
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jaybird88

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Dan58 said:
Satan did tempt Christ, but imo, Christ wasn't tempted by what Satan offered. When the devil offered Jesus all the kingdoms of the world if Christ would just fall down and worship him, Jesus didn't say; "That's a tempting offer, let me think about it". He essentially told the devil to take a hike, and immediately responded; "Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve" (Matthew 4:10). So my point was; the devils temptation was not a temptation to Christ, you can't be tempted by something you have no interest in... jmo
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Jesus did not give in or submit to what Satan was offering but i think He was still tempted, not tempted in the sense like we say im tempted to eat the last hush puppy meaning we are thnking of doing it.

hebrews says He was tempted as we are
Hebrews 4:15
For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin.

we are tempted just as Jesus was however we fail and Jesus did not "yet without sin".
 
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Incandescence

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Nope. Sorry. Didn't clear it up for me. :(

I really do know God is triune. I just cannot entirely picture it. Your title made me think, "Maybe this is the time someone can help me see it." (Probably not your plan, but not like I can't dream the dream. lol)

Nope. Sorry. Still not clear to me.

The thing that helps me the most with this is, "If I could actually picture God, I've surely made him either too small or too human. He is neither. The finite cannot conceive of the infinite." And that has to keep doing it for me, until (if) I ever get the clear picture even in heaven.

Nice try though.
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Hello Lynn,

Permit me to offer a picture I hope helps you:

There is only one God who works in Three ways. When the word "Son" is used in reference to the Divine, it means "Part". A Part of God that works in a unique way. God the Father is the Source of All. The Holy Spirit is God's Executive Will to create something and to maintain that which was created. Just like we use our will to act, to form, to do something, and that will is an expression of us and also a part of us, yet it is a force that comes out of us... so is this process a minor reflection of the Divine One. The Holy Spirit is a Personality, the Part of God that creates something, His Will. Look at Genesis:

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light."

Christians often miss the obvious "the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters". The Spirit of God is the Will of God, God the Holy Spirit. Hence in order to create Creation, to form the heavens and earth, the Lord used His Will, The Holy Spirit, to form it and create it. The Holy Spirit is a Living Personality like Jesus and is not "amorphous energy". Since the Holy Spirit created the Worlds, it follows He is that Part of God through whom "man" came into existence. He is also the eternal mediator between God and Creation. Thus it is the Holy Spirit who is bears the name Imanuel and Son of Man, not Jesus. For He is "God with us", the Creative Will whose activity manifests as Creation and all that inhabits it. Through Creation and its Laws He is "with us". The Creative Part (Son) of God through whom man was formed (Son of Man).

The Son of God is Jesus. He came into being when God wanted to send humanity help in the Word. Hence Jesus is an expression and embodiment of the intention and motive of the Almighty...which is love. He is a Part of this Love, and is thus the Son of God. He came to show how all Creation works in the Rays of Love, revealing His Fathers Intention and Activity in the process. Hence Jesus became the Part of God in and through whom He offered the Word.

It is like the arms of the body. The body is the Father, the right arm is like Holy Spirit, the left one is the Son of God. The Trinity of One God.

God the Father: The Creator of All Things, The Source of Life
God the Holy Spirit: The Executive Will of God, The Son of Man, Imanuel
God the Son: Jesus, the Expressed Love of God

I hope this helps.

Sincerely,
Incandescence
 
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HisHolly

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Who has taught you?
Incandescence said:
Hello Lynn,

Permit me to offer a picture I hope helps you:

There is only one God who works in Three ways. When the word "Son" is used in reference to the Divine, it means "Part". A Part of God that works in a unique way. God the Father is the Source of All. The Holy Spirit is God's Executive Will to create something and to maintain that which was created. Just like we use our will to act, to form, to do something, and that will is an expression of us and also a part of us, yet it is a force that comes out of us... so is this process a minor reflection of the Divine One. The Holy Spirit is a Personality, the Part of God that creates something, His Will. Look at Genesis:

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light."

Christians often miss the obvious "the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters". The Spirit of God is the Will of God, God the Holy Spirit. Hence in order to create Creation, to form the heavens and earth, the Lord used His Will, The Holy Spirit, to form it and create it. The Holy Spirit is a Living Personality like Jesus and is not "amorphous energy". Since the Holy Spirit created the Worlds, it follows He is that Part of God through whom "man" came into existence. He is also the eternal mediator between God and Creation. Thus it is the Holy Spirit who is bears the name Imanuel and Son of Man, not Jesus. For He is "God with us", the Creative Will whose activity manifests as Creation and all that inhabits it. Through Creation and its Laws He is "with us". The Creative Part (Son) of God through whom man was formed (Son of Man).

The Son of God is Jesus. He came into being when God wanted to send humanity help in the Word. Hence Jesus is an expression and embodiment of the intention and motive of the Almighty...which is love. He is a Part of this Love, and is thus the Son of God. He came to show how all Creation works in the Rays of Love, revealing His Fathers Intention and Activity in the process. Hence Jesus became the Part of God in and through whom He offered the Word.

It is like the arms of the body. The body is the Father, the right arm is like Holy Spirit, the left one is the Son of God. The Trinity of One God.

God the Father: The Creator of All Things, The Source of Life
God the Holy Spirit: The Executive Will of God, The Son of Man, Imanuel
God the Son: Jesus, the Expressed Love of God

I hope this helps.

Sincerely,
Incandescence
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jaybird88 said:
i agree that Jesus had the Fathers power, the spirit of His Father from birth.
scripture also tells us Jesus grew in wisdom and He was taught by His Father. so all the wisdom of the Most High wasnt there from birth but it was a process. then there is the event of His baptism. was that the moment His wisdom was complete?
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Though never less than fully God, Jesus functioned as a man, having set aside His prerogative of divine function (Phil 2:7)......in order to redeem man.
 
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FreeNChrist

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Incandescence said:
Hello Lynn,

Permit me to offer a picture I hope helps you:

There is only one God who works in Three ways. When the word "Son" is used in reference to the Divine, it means "Part". A Part of God that works in a unique way. God the Father is the Source of All. The Holy Spirit is God's Executive Will to create something and to maintain that which was created. Just like we use our will to act, to form, to do something, and that will is an expression of us and also a part of us, yet it is a force that comes out of us... so is this process a minor reflection of the Divine One. The Holy Spirit is a Personality, the Part of God that creates something, His Will. Look at Genesis:

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light."

Christians often miss the obvious "the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters". The Spirit of God is the Will of God, God the Holy Spirit. Hence in order to create Creation, to form the heavens and earth, the Lord used His Will, The Holy Spirit, to form it and create it. The Holy Spirit is a Living Personality like Jesus and is not "amorphous energy". Since the Holy Spirit created the Worlds, it follows He is that Part of God through whom "man" came into existence. He is also the eternal mediator between God and Creation. Thus it is the Holy Spirit who is bears the name Imanuel and Son of Man, not Jesus. For He is "God with us", the Creative Will whose activity manifests as Creation and all that inhabits it. Through Creation and its Laws He is "with us". The Creative Part (Son) of God through whom man was formed (Son of Man).

The Son of God is Jesus. He came into being when God wanted to send humanity help in the Word. Hence Jesus is an expression and embodiment of the intention and motive of the Almighty...which is love. He is a Part of this Love, and is thus the Son of God. He came to show how all Creation works in the Rays of Love, revealing His Fathers Intention and Activity in the process. Hence Jesus became the Part of God in and through whom He offered the Word.

It is like the arms of the body. The body is the Father, the right arm is like Holy Spirit, the left one is the Son of God. The Trinity of One God.

God the Father: The Creator of All Things, The Source of Life
God the Holy Spirit: The Executive Will of God, The Son of Man,
God the Son: Jesus, the Expressed Love of God

I hope this helps.

Sincerely,
Incandescence
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Sorry, but that's just ALL wrong. :rolleyes:
 
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HisHolly said:
Who has taught you?
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Hello HisHolly,

Thanks for your response. Knowledge of who helps me would be as useful to you as a person knowing the name of the chef who made the food. It merely distracts, as all attention should be focused on the content, the concept, i.e. the food. Word for word, sentence by sentence, everything should be carefully assessed and weighed with the intuition of man. He must go deep in his being in silence and see what resonates, free from dogma. Hence I recommend relinquishing the tendency of focusing on the person, and instead focus on the content alone. Only after the content is grasp and absorbed will the "who" become evident.

I wish you the best.

Incandescence
 
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HisHolly

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I wasn't asking bc I want to know.. more so bc your info is crap.. obviously nobody good bc you don't want to answer.. got it..
Incandescence said:
Hello HisHolly,

Thanks for your response. Knowledge of who helps me would be as useful to you as a person knowing the name of the chef who made the food. It merely distracts, as all attention should be focused on the content, the concept, i.e. the food. Word for word, sentence by sentence, everything should be carefully assessed and weighed with the intuition of man. He must go deep in his being in silence and see what resonates, free from dogma. Hence I recommend relinquishing the tendency of focusing on the person, and instead focus on the content alone. Only after the content is grasp and absorbed will the "who" become evident.

I wish you the best.

Incandescence
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Dagallen

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Where did the Trinity concept first come to the surface, what time frame, from whom or by whom, again the Trinity concept is not in the Bible, as it is a belief outside the Bible.
 
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HisHolly

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then please explain how He is able to identify with us? Bible says He is the best for the job of High Priest bc He knows what its like..
Dan58 said:
Satan did tempt Christ, but imo, Christ wasn't tempted by what Satan offered. When the devil offered Jesus all the kingdoms of the world if Christ would just fall down and worship him, Jesus didn't say; "That's a tempting offer, let me think about it". He essentially told the devil to take a hike, and immediately responded; "Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve" (Matthew 4:10). So my point was; the devils temptation was not a temptation to Christ, you can't be tempted by something you have no interest in... jmo

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FreeNChrist

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Dagallen said:
Where did the Trinity concept first come to the surface, what time frame, from whom or by whom, again the Trinity concept is not in the Bible, as it is a belief outside the Bible.
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Of course it is based in the Bible. Where else do you learn about Jesus? The Christian understanding of the triune nature of God, comes from God in the Person of Jesus Christ inserting Himself into our own history, and in so doing revealing Himself to be entirely other than the limited perception of Him that had been held by most up to that point.
 
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HisHolly

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God never once says I AM TRIUNE.. People take things said and run with their own ideas..
FreeNChrist said:
Of course it is based in the Bible. Where else do you learn about Jesus? The Christian understanding of the triune nature of God, comes from God in the Person of Jesus Christ inserting Himself into our own history, and in so doing revealing Himself to be entirely other than the limited perception of Him that had been held by most up to that point.
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Dagallen

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Jesus Himself didn't teach the Trinity belief, the Trinity belief came to the surface about 4 hundred years after the death of Jesus, which the first Bible was written about 3 hundred years after the death if Jesus, as Himself did not teach a Trinity gospel, the gospel if the Trinity came 4 hundred years after his death, that's why the word Trinity is not in the Bible, great topic.
 
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FreeNChrist

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Dagallen said:
Jesus Himself didn't teach the Trinity belief, the Trinity belief came to the surface about 4 hundred years after the death of Jesus, which the first Bible was written about 3 hundred years after the death if Jesus, as Himself did not teach a Trinity gospel, the gospel if the Trinity came 4 hundred years after his death, that's why the word Trinity is not in the Bible, great topic.
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The triune nature of God was immediately apparent to those first new Christians. It necessitated a new way of thinking about and describing the nature of God. While we have always struggled with the language to describe God's triune nature, the fact that He is triune in nature has always been understood and believed by Christians…always...right from the very beginning. As evidenced by Pauls doxology referring to God as the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
 
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HisHolly

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what? .........
FreeNChrist said:
The triune nature of God was immediately apparent to those first new Christians. It necessitated a new way of thinking about and describing the nature of God. While we have always struggled with the language to describe God's triune nature, the fact that He is triune in nature has always been understood and believed by Christians…always...right from the very beginning. As evidenced by Pauls doxology referring to God as the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
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HisHolly

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If anything they understood them to be separate as they are... in the beginning of the epistles there are clear distinctions made as well
 
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