No such thing as a "pre-tribulation" rapture!

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Still surprised there are people who still believe God wants the bride of Christ to suffer through the tribulation. The scriptures say the tribulation will far surpass any suffering there ever was on this earth. Yes there's suffering around the world but its nothing compared to the tribulation. No one said anything about being "so holy". If you don't believe the bride will be taken beforehand fine. What truly matters is accepting Christ & living for him. I'm already willing to die for Christ either way
So why are so many suffering today and in the past?
Tell the man that has seen his wife and daughters raped and his sons killed that it will be much worse.
Why should you and me escape? I mean what sins have these saints done we have not done?
 
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So why are so many suffering today and in the past? Tell the man that has seen his wife and daughters raped and his sons killed that it will be much worse. Why should you and me escape? I mean what sins have these saints done we have not done?
If you believe we shouldn't be taken then that's understandable we are no better than they are. However if the Lord does call his people to leave before destruction what will you do refuse & say you deserve to go through it?
 
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If you believe we shouldn't be taken then that's understandable we are no better than they are. However if the Lord does call his people to leave before destruction what will you do refuse & say you deserve to go through it?
No, I will say thank you Lord.
Now, what will you say if you have to suffer through the tribulation?
 
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No, I will say thank you Lord. Now, what will you say if you have to suffer through the tribulation?
I don't mind suffering through the tribulation. I have been ready to die for the lord along time now & he's aware of it. It's an honor to give up my life for him.
 
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I don't mind suffering through the tribulation. I have been ready to die for the lord along time now & he's aware of it. It's an honor to give up my life for him.
Yes it is an honor. But would it not be a greater honor to be chosen to suffer through and be alive at His coming.
There will be many who survive.
What a glorious site of Jesus coming in the air.
 
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You do realise I asked no question right? All of what I said are statements. If you want to believe the bride will go through the tribulation go ahead. I mean you believe in the osas doctrine as well so believe whatever you desire.

Yeah I meant statement.....and this thread has nothing to do with salvation......and my point stands...here let me rephrase.....

Originally Posted by dcontroversal
You do realize that your STATEMENT contradicts itself right......if THE BRIDE is the CHURCH---->has NOT the CHURCH (BRIDE) been suffering persecution since the DAYS of JESUS.......? some 60 to 80 million murdered during the DARK AGES alone........!
 

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No, actually he is addressing SAVED, IMMERSED DISCIPLES that have been CALLED OUT and identified as a CHURCH no less that two times in the PRESENT TENSE while he WALKED THE EARTH..............

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

This is not the same gospel that Paul taught. The gospel of the kingdom is the good news of the kingdom on earth where Christ is King. Paul's gospel, however, has gone out to all nations.

Romans 16
25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

Colossians 1
5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:

Colossians 1:23, If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

Paul's gospel has gone out to all nations, has come unto all the world, and has been preached to every creature under heaven. Has the end come? Not the same good news message.
 
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Yes it is an honor. But would it not be a greater honor to be chosen to suffer through and be alive at His coming. There will be many who survive. What a glorious site of Jesus coming in the air.
Depends on how you view it. If he does call his bride not many as you might believe will be taken. Many christians have fallen back into the world & their hearts aren't right with the Lord. So it's also an honor to be chosen out of those few.
 
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Depends on how you view it. If he does call his bride not many as you might believe will be taken. Many christians have fallen back into the world & their hearts aren't right with the Lord. So it's also an honor to be chosen out of those few.
Two sets of verses in context that teach a split (rapture) please.....

THE dead in CHRIST shall rise
WE which are ALIVE and REMAIN

How do the above to two references leave room for ANY to be left?......The LEFT behind series is bogus.......!

Two in the field and or grinding and one gone and one left does not indicate that both are believers.....
 
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Depends on how you view it. If he does call his bride not many as you might believe will be taken. Many christians have fallen back into the world & their hearts aren't right with the Lord. So it's also an honor to be chosen out of those few.
I don't think you can support that view with Scripture.
Paul said "the dead shall rise first, than we who are alive will be changed"
He did not say some, the faithful would be taken out and the unfaithful left.
 
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Two sets of verses in context that teach a split (rapture) please..... THE dead in CHRIST shall rise WE which are ALIVE and REMAIN How do the above to two references leave room for ANY to be left?......The LEFT behind series is bogus.......! Two in the field and or grinding and one gone and one left does not indicate that both are believers.....
Since you're so eager to suffer through the tribulation if the lord comes beforehand tell him to leave you im sure he'll grant your request lol.
 
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Since you're so eager to suffer through the tribulation if the lord comes beforehand tell him to leave you im sure he'll grant your request lol.

Why do you have to be mouthy.....support your stance and show me scripture to correct me if I am wrong........I have asked you honest questions and you have now mouthed at least twice.........
 
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Since you're so eager to suffer through the tribulation if the lord comes beforehand tell him to leave you im sure he'll grant your request lol.
Only a fool would want to suffer tribulation.
No one wants to suffer tribulation.
But that does not change what the Scriptures teach.
 
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Why do you have to be mouthy.....support your stance and show me scripture to correct me if I am wrong........I have asked you honest questions and you have now mouthed at least twice.........
I have told you clearly, if you believe the bride will go through the tribulation go ahead. There's nothing else to discuss. You commonly go back & forth with people constantly who have an opposing view then you. Stating a joke is "mouthy" now lol. Sorry if I have a laid back personality & not displaying contempt for others unlike some people.
 
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I have told you clearly, if you believe the bride will go through the tribulation go ahead. There's nothing else to discuss. You commonly go back & forth with people constantly who have an opposing view then you. Stating a joke is "mouthy" now lol. Sorry if I have a laid back personality & not displaying contempt for others unlike some people.
You have said nothing but your opinion....I quoted scripture....maybe you don't understand what BIBLE DISCUSSION means...now you have mouthed at least three times and have said nothing.......
 

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Well depending on how one interprets scripture there can be a pre trib rapture such as revelation 3:10 10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.

This could easily be seen as a pre trib rapture verse if you view the hour of trial as the tribulation but then you can look at the same verse and say no it means he is going to allow us to see and suffer a bit before his wrath falls upon the earth. This view is saying that we will suffer at the hands of the antichrist for a time but then God will take his elect right before his wrath falls upon the world.

You see how two separate views can be taken from one verse? interpretation can vastly change how we see and believe.
 

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14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

This is not the same gospel that Paul taught.....
oh brother.
the dispie two-step
 
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Well depending on how one interprets scripture there can be a pre trib rapture such as revelation 3:10 10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.

This could easily be seen as a pre trib rapture verse if you view the hour of trial as the tribulation but then you can look at the same verse and say no it means he is going to allow us to see and suffer a bit before his wrath falls upon the earth. This view is saying that we will suffer at the hands of the antichrist for a time but then God will take his elect right before his wrath falls upon the world.

You see how two separate views can be taken from one verse? interpretation can vastly change how we see and believe.
wrong...the word keep means to protect from guard or loss......not remove......! And what of the other 6 churches......?